Vietnam: the ONLY Asian developing country that drops in R&D

[GS Zhou]

No, I don't blame you. I laught out loud at you.

It's your freedom. You can laugh out as loud as you can. But I believe most of the audience of this thread will only laugh out loud at the consecutive declines of your country. It is not easy to be the ONLY Asian developing country that report a two-year consecutive decline.

 

[BoQ77]

According to the NatureIndex records in 2013, 2014 and 2015, Vietnam is surprisingly experiencing consecutive drops on high-quality research paper output. Vietnam's output drops from 8.23 in 2013, to 8.03 in 2014 and 6.96 in 2015. That's indeed a surprising result! Because Vietnam is the ONLY Asian developing country that is experiencing a two-year consecutive drop! This looks really weird, because:.

This is what I agreed with you, "....experiencing a two-year drop" ...
but what drop ?
you said "R&D",
I said No, you're wrong. With that data, it's not.

It's your freedom. You can laugh out as loud as you can. But I believe most of the audience of this thread will only laugh out loud at the consecutive declines of your country.

Now what ? NatureIndex tables could prove that declines of Vietnam ? WSJ is better

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Vietnam's Economic Growth Accelerates as Exports Beat Peers
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-quarter-economic-growth-accelerates-to-6-81-

Vietnam is forecast to post the strongest economic growth this year of six major Southeast Asian countries tracked by the Asian Development Bank in a recent report. The country’s growth is expected to accelerate through the second half, underpinned by rising private consumption, export-oriented manufacturing, and FDI, the ADB said.

 

[Viet]

those are BS level engineers following orders from HQ in their home country. The RD engineers will be PhDs at company HQ or research parks.

I don´t see why is it bad.

Samsung invests $20b in factories, and $300m in R&D center. Why don´t you want to invest the same amount in VN? you are welcome to exploit cheap wages and cheap low level engineers.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

I don´t see why is it bad.

Samsung invests $20b in factories, and $300m in R&D center. Why don´t you want to invest the same amount in VN? you are welcome to exploit cheap wages and cheap low level engineers.

Because you are making money for foreigners who take the money out of the country. It's an investment. They won't put money in if they don't get even more money out. All the profits go straight to company HQ.

No, I don't blame you. I laught out loud at you.
You are lack comprehensive ability and disrespect the caveats on uses of NatureIndex tables
http://www.natureindex.com/faq#introduction4

Nature index position is a commonly accepted way of measuring scientific output. The others are patent applications, total paper output, total citations, etc. and on every measure Vietnam isn't doing well.

In addition, Vietnam is not only currently not doing well, it is declining. None of the caveats matter because they do not affect trend, only overall number.

 

[BoQ77]

Because you are making money for foreigners who take the money out of the country. It's an investment. They won't put money in if they don't get even more money out. All the profits go straight to company HQ


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Samsung workforce in Vietnam is about 70% of their global workforce and they exported most of their products, so I dont think they take much out of Vietnam.
Samsung need a wholly operated terminal in airport for their export, you know.
Profits are what they get for their investment, the jobs are what Vietnam get.

 

[siegecrossbow]

According to the NatureIndex records in 2013, 2014 and 2015, Vietnam is surprisingly experiencing consecutive drops on high-quality research paper output. Vietnam's output drops from 8.23 in 2013, to 8.03 in 2014 and 6.96 in 2015. That's indeed a surprising result! Because Vietnam is the ONLY Asian developing country that is experiencing a two-year consecutive drop! This looks really weird, because:

1. Vietnam people are definitely very smart people, and they are proud of their education system
2. Vietnam is making remarkable economic growth in recent years, so there should be more investment to R&D
3. The base record of Vietnam is extremely small (0.1% of China), so it should not be very difficult to make some growth

Are there any particular reasons to the consecutive drops of Vietnam? Or is it maybe NatureINDEX staff are very stupid, so they makes wrong calculations on Vietnam's result?

Any ideas are welcome.

link to the NatureIndex result:
http://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2016/country/all/regions-Asia Pacific
http://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2015/country/all/regions-Asia Pacific
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-----------------------------------------------Background information------------------------------------------------------------
What is NatureIndex?
The Nature Index is a database of author affiliation information collated from research articles published in an independently selected group of 68 high-quality science journals. The database is compiled by Nature Research. The Nature Index provides a close to real-time proxy for high-quality research output at the institutional, national and regional level.

What are the Nature Index journals?
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What is WFC?
Weighted fractional count (WFC) accounts for the relative contribution of each author to an article, and adjusts for the abundance of astronomy and astrophysics papers.

Might be a case of brain-drain.

 

[cochine]

According to the NatureIndex records in 2013, 2014 and 2015, Vietnam is surprisingly experiencing consecutive drops on high-quality research paper output. Vietnam's output drops from 8.23 in 2013, to 8.03 in 2014 and 6.96 in 2015. That's indeed a surprising result! Because Vietnam is the ONLY Asian developing country that is experiencing a two-year consecutive drop! This looks really weird, because:

1. Vietnam people are definitely very smart people, and they are proud of their education system
2. Vietnam is making remarkable economic growth in recent years, so there should be more investment to R&D
3. The base record of Vietnam is extremely small (0.1% of China), so it should not be very difficult to make some growth

Are there any particular reasons to the consecutive drops of Vietnam? Or is it maybe NatureINDEX staff are very stupid, so they makes wrong calculations on Vietnam's result?

Any ideas are welcome.

link to the NatureIndex result:
http://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2016/country/all/regions-Asia Pacific
http://www.natureindex.com/annual-tables/2015/country/all/regions-Asia Pacific
View attachment 324958


-----------------------------------------------Background information------------------------------------------------------------
What is NatureIndex?
The Nature Index is a database of author affiliation information collated from research articles published in an independently selected group of 68 high-quality science journals. The database is compiled by Nature Research. The Nature Index provides a close to real-time proxy for high-quality research output at the institutional, national and regional level.

What are the Nature Index journals?
View attachment 324959

What is WFC?
Weighted fractional count (WFC) accounts for the relative contribution of each author to an article, and adjusts for the abundance of astronomy and astrophysics papers.

copy cat is very happy about this article,

 

[Viva_Viet]

Nature Index counts the research papers published by the 68 top science journals. Look at the journal names I sent, they are all best journals from their respective areas. So only the best findings could be published by these journals.

I believe language and money constrains are headache to almost all Asian countries, incl. China. To me, growth rate is even more important than absolute number. Otherwise the gap with the best country could only become wider and wider.

A two-year consecutive drop is definitely a bad signal that worth VCP's attention.

Normally, we do most of things in secret, so pple should not measure Vn just by some research papers.

But i have to admit that VN is being stuck in finding the way to develop our economy. We have No high tech products that can compete wt CN-S.K-JP-Thai etc.

 

[GS Zhou]

some money goes here: Hanoi University (Thanh Long)

thanks for sharing us the pictures of Hanoi University. Its campus looks very beautiful!

However, it seems government's money on this university not really helps to high quality scientific research. Check the list of top 10 VN universities to NatureIndex papers.

 

[cochine]

Vietnam PM approves $300 million R&D investment by Samsung Electronics

Employees walk in the main office building of Samsung Electronics in Seoul, South Korea, January 6, 2016.REUTERS/Kim Hong-Ji

Vietnam's prime minister has approved a $300-million research and development project in Hanoi by Samsung Electronics Vietnam, a local unit of a South Korean giant that is the communist country's single biggest investor.

The project would operate for 50 years, rent-free, Vietnam's government reported on its news website on Wednesday.

Samsung secured government approval late last year to raise its investment in another electronics facility to $2 billion. Its operations around the country include assembly of smartphones and televisions.

The expansion comes amid similar moves by electronics firms operating in Vietnam, which include LG, Microsoft, Intel, Canon, Panasonic and Toshiba, helped by new free trade pacts and cheaper wages than China.



(Reporting by Mai Nguyen; Editing by Martin Petty)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-samsung-elec-vietnam-idUSKCN0WP1M6

 

[TaiShang]

thanks for sharing us the pictures of Hanoi University. Its campus looks very beautiful!

However, it seems government's money on this university not really helps to high quality scientific research. Check the list of top 10 VN universities to NatureIndex papers.
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Looks terrible. Beautiful campuses do not quickly translate into quality science, obviously.

Vietnam government does not have the bad quality of Indian high-official bragging, but, maybe they are too corrupt to channel enough funds into where scientific mouth is.

 

[cochine]

Vietnam’s first hybrid rice R&D station opens

THURSDAY, AUGUST 14, 2014 - 16:48:14 PRINT

A Swiss-invested hybrid rice research and development (R&D) station was inaugurated in the Red River Delta province of Nam Dinh on August 14, becoming the first of its kind in Vietnam under the management of an international group.

The station covers 4 hectares of land in Tan Thinh commune, Nam Truc district. It is invested and operated by Switzerland-based Syngenta, the world’s leading multinational group on agricultural chemicals and biotechnology.

The facility, built at the cost of some 30 billion VND (1.4 million USD) in the first phase, is equipped with cutting-edge technologies and able to connect with other R&D stations of Syngenta around the world to share data and information.

In the first phase, it will mainly use genetic resources provided by its global counterparts to cross-breed rice and expects to supply two or three new rice varieties with high quality and yield to the Vietnamese market by 2017.

In the second phase after 2017, more modern laboratories will be set up to expand the work.

The station will also develop new cultivation methods to improve the effectiveness of rice farming.

Kumardev Datta, General Director of Syngenta Vietnam, said with its advantages in biotechnologies, Syngenta is able to mobilise its genetic resources around the globe to create rice plants that are suitable for Vietnam and help the country become a producer and exporter of hybrid varieties.-VNA

 

[~Phoenix~]

Well,this particular Vietnam badly defeated and humilated the so called strongest country in the world...

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Vietnam’s first hybrid rice R&D station opens

THURSDAY, AUGUST 14, 2014 - 16:48:14 PRINT

A Swiss-invested hybrid rice research and development (R&D) station was inaugurated in the Red River Delta province of Nam Dinh on August 14, becoming the first of its kind in Vietnam under the management of an international group.

The station covers 4 hectares of land in Tan Thinh commune, Nam Truc district. It is invested and operated by Switzerland-based Syngenta, the world’s leading multinational group on agricultural chemicals and biotechnology.

The facility, built at the cost of some 30 billion VND (1.4 million USD) in the first phase, is equipped with cutting-edge technologies and able to connect with other R&D stations of Syngenta around the world to share data and information.

In the first phase, it will mainly use genetic resources provided by its global counterparts to cross-breed rice and expects to supply two or three new rice varieties with high quality and yield to the Vietnamese market by 2017.

In the second phase after 2017, more modern laboratories will be set up to expand the work.

The station will also develop new cultivation methods to improve the effectiveness of rice farming.

Kumardev Datta, General Director of Syngenta Vietnam, said with its advantages in biotechnologies, Syngenta is able to mobilise its genetic resources around the globe to create rice plants that are suitable for Vietnam and help the country become a producer and exporter of hybrid varieties.-VNA

Switzerland thanks Vietnam for producing intellectual property belonging exclusively to Switzerland and making money for Swiss investors.

 

[cochine]

Switzerland thanks Vietnam for producing intellectual property belonging exclusively to Switzerland and making money for Swiss investors.

Its interest for both.

Traditional rice planting in Vietnam.

Today, newly applied technology in agriculture in Vietnam.