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Vietnam Tries New Tack in Climate-Change Battle: Teach a Man to Fish - WSJ

Country is building sea walls to protect deltas from rising waters; rice farmers try switching to shrimp


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By
James Hookway
Updated Feb. 25, 2016 12:22 a.m. ET




NAM DIEN, Vietnam—Off the coast of Vietnam, the country’s economic planners have set out on what could be their biggest-ever engineering project: A network of walls designed to hold back rising sea levels that are swamping fertile rice-growing regions.

At first glance, it is the kind of multidecade effort that the world’s richer countries might throw their weight behind. In Paris in December, industrialized nations committed to providing $100 billion a year to help poorer ones cope with the threat posed by climate change. Vietnam’s hulking, concrete sea walls would seem to fit the bill.

Not everyone is waiting to see how the dikes work out, though.

On a chilly January day recently, Do Van Duy slugged back another shot of rice liquor. It had been a good year for raising fish in the Red River delta of northern Vietnam. He and other villagers in Nam Dien had gathered to toast their success as the Lunar New Year approached—and question whether climate change is such a bad thing after all.

“We live better now,” said Mr. Duy, 31 years old, who now farms grouper, shrimp and crab in the brackish waters of the delta after giving up rice a few years ago. “If you can make the switch there’s a lot more money to be made.”



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A floating fish farm in the Can Tho area of the Mekong River. Photo: Sergi Reboredo/DPA/ZUMA Press




Nearly three-quarters of households in Nam Dien have abandoned rice farming, said Bui Van Cuong, a fisheries official with the People’s Commune in Nam Dien, as salt water flows farther into the delta’s farmland. “The changes are very apparent over the past 10 years,” Mr. Cuong said.

The shift is focusing attention on a difficult question: Is it better to invest resources in fighting the effects of climate change, or in helping people adapt?

The idea behind the Paris pact is that richer countries—the ones mostly to blame for pollution that scientists say is contributing to rising temperatures and higher sea levels—should pay to help poorer nations such as Vietnam, Bangladesh and the Philippines adjust. Some of the money is intended to help developing countries acquire cleaner power and limit further rises in the planet’s temperature.

What isn’t so straightforward is how developing nations should protect themselves or change practices when faced with rising sea levels and other risks associated with climate change.

Consider Vietnam’s Mekong and Red River deltas. Like the Ganges and Nile deltas, they are already feeling the effects of environmental changes. In the lower reaches of the Mekong, salt water is penetrating as far as 60 kilometers (37 miles) inland during the dry season, according to government meteorologists, killing crops and forcing farmers to leave or find a new way of making a living. Some 30 million people live in the Mekong delta area, with another 18 million in the Red River delta. Many have been growing rice for generations.

Vietnam’s initial response to the threat was to build a wall.

In Nam Dien, construction was completed a few months ago on a 20-kilometer (12.4-mile) dike designed to slow the flow of salt water into the area and prevent erosion. It is part of the broader system of dikes and sea walls with which the government aims to defend a centuries-old network of earthen levees. The project will add up to hundreds of miles of walls and take 40 years to build.

That is a long time, though. Some experts say Vietnam’s communist leaders should sharpen their focus on helping farmers such as Mr. Duy adapt to the changing environment.

“Their competitive advantage is changing,” said Le Anh Tuan, a director at the Institute for Climate Change Studies at Can Tho University. “The delta might not always be the best place to grow rice, but people can raise shrimp instead.”

There are signs that the government is now listening. Mr. Cuong, the fisheries director, is among a network of officials helping rice farmers switch to raising fish, rather than fighting the environmental changes.

It isn’t easy. He says farmers have to learn a whole new way of working, from filtering water to investing in healthy fingerlings. “The biggest problem is land,” says Mr. Cuong, 38.



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A recently completed sea wall at Nam Dien, Vietnam, designed to prevent soil erosion as sea levels rise. Photo: Vu Trong Khanh/The Wall Street Journal



Farmers typically need to borrow from relatives or local banks to buy large plots of land to accommodate a commercially viable fish pond. On average, a pond is around 2,000 square meters (21,500 square feet) in the Red River delta, and sells for around $90,000—a significant sum in Vietnam, where incomes average about $5,600 a year.

If run well, though, fish farms can be three to five times as productive as rice farming, he says. About 70% of their output is exported to China, with the rest going to the nearby cities of Hanoi and Haiphong. Living standards have improved as a result, with Mr. Duy and his neighbors earning up to $20,000 a year. Brand-new motor scooters are parked outside many of the houses in Nam Dien, and the occasional SUV bumps down country roads that wind past Buddhist pagodas and French-built Catholic churches.

The bigger problem for Vietnam might be how to help those who can’t or are unwilling to scrape together enough money to invest in a new way of life.

“The rich are getting richer and the poor and getting poorer, just like everywhere else,” Mr. Cuong said.

—Vu Trong Khanh contributed to this article.

Write to James Hookway at james.hookway@wsj.com
 
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I think that all countries having problem with rising sea levels should support this China's potential huge project: Desalination sea water and pump them into deserts in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia. Those deserts are below sea levels. Just need to desalination sea water and overcome some mountains. This will solve the sea level rising problem for the whole world and China will turn inhabited deserts into many beautiful lakes. Win-Win situation for all of us.

This project ( transfer water in bohai into Xinjiang) is under popular debating. Technically it has not a big problem. The only problem is financial.
 
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I think that all countries having problem with rising sea levels should support this China's potential huge project: Desalination sea water and pump them into deserts in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia. Those deserts are below sea levels. Just need to desalination sea water and overcome some mountains. This will solve the sea level rising problem for the whole world and China will turn inhabited deserts into many beautiful lakes. Win-Win situation for all of us.

This project ( transfer water in bohai into Xinjiang) is under popular debating. Technically it has not a big problem. The only problem is financial.
Are you talking about the south North project? I thought that was underway. I don't think finance is an issue as it's an infrastructure project that can turn desert into fertile land.
 
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I think that all countries having problem with rising sea levels should support this China's potential huge project: Desalination sea water and pump them into deserts in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia. Those deserts are below sea levels. Just need to desalination sea water and overcome some mountains. This will solve the sea level rising problem for the whole world and China will turn inhabited deserts into many beautiful lakes. Win-Win situation for all of us.

This project ( transfer water in bohai into Xinjiang) is under popular debating. Technically it has not a big problem. The only problem is financial.

Referring to the expansion of 南水北调工程, yes?

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This is a massive project, especially the western expansion of this 南水北调工程, which would possibly turn desert land in the west into fertile plains. Definitely would revitalize China's western border and could in turn usher a new colonization paradigm for the western territories of the Great Chinese Nation ! Such a project, especially an expansion for the western aspect would require immense capital. Tho i believe China can handle the burden of capital, Japan and South Korea would be interested in investing in such a development , as it would make Xinjiang and TIbet --- into new regional centers of growth. And a 'mecca' for new human migration.

Vietnam Tries New Tack in Climate-Change Battle: Teach a Man to Fish - WSJ

Country is building sea walls to protect deltas from rising waters; rice farmers try switching to shrimp


BN-MO474_VIETDE_J_20160211134647.jpg


By
James Hookway
Updated Feb. 25, 2016 12:22 a.m. ET




NAM DIEN, Vietnam—Off the coast of Vietnam, the country’s economic planners have set out on what could be their biggest-ever engineering project: A network of walls designed to hold back rising sea levels that are swamping fertile rice-growing regions.

At first glance, it is the kind of multidecade effort that the world’s richer countries might throw their weight behind. In Paris in December, industrialized nations committed to providing $100 billion a year to help poorer ones cope with the threat posed by climate change. Vietnam’s hulking, concrete sea walls would seem to fit the bill.

Not everyone is waiting to see how the dikes work out, though.

On a chilly January day recently, Do Van Duy slugged back another shot of rice liquor. It had been a good year for raising fish in the Red River delta of northern Vietnam. He and other villagers in Nam Dien had gathered to toast their success as the Lunar New Year approached—and question whether climate change is such a bad thing after all.

“We live better now,” said Mr. Duy, 31 years old, who now farms grouper, shrimp and crab in the brackish waters of the delta after giving up rice a few years ago. “If you can make the switch there’s a lot more money to be made.”



BN-MO476_VIETDE_P_20160211134833.jpg
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A floating fish farm in the Can Tho area of the Mekong River. Photo: Sergi Reboredo/DPA/ZUMA Press




Nearly three-quarters of households in Nam Dien have abandoned rice farming, said Bui Van Cuong, a fisheries official with the People’s Commune in Nam Dien, as salt water flows farther into the delta’s farmland. “The changes are very apparent over the past 10 years,” Mr. Cuong said.

The shift is focusing attention on a difficult question: Is it better to invest resources in fighting the effects of climate change, or in helping people adapt?

The idea behind the Paris pact is that richer countries—the ones mostly to blame for pollution that scientists say is contributing to rising temperatures and higher sea levels—should pay to help poorer nations such as Vietnam, Bangladesh and the Philippines adjust. Some of the money is intended to help developing countries acquire cleaner power and limit further rises in the planet’s temperature.

What isn’t so straightforward is how developing nations should protect themselves or change practices when faced with rising sea levels and other risks associated with climate change.

Consider Vietnam’s Mekong and Red River deltas. Like the Ganges and Nile deltas, they are already feeling the effects of environmental changes. In the lower reaches of the Mekong, salt water is penetrating as far as 60 kilometers (37 miles) inland during the dry season, according to government meteorologists, killing crops and forcing farmers to leave or find a new way of making a living. Some 30 million people live in the Mekong delta area, with another 18 million in the Red River delta. Many have been growing rice for generations.

Vietnam’s initial response to the threat was to build a wall.

In Nam Dien, construction was completed a few months ago on a 20-kilometer (12.4-mile) dike designed to slow the flow of salt water into the area and prevent erosion. It is part of the broader system of dikes and sea walls with which the government aims to defend a centuries-old network of earthen levees. The project will add up to hundreds of miles of walls and take 40 years to build.

That is a long time, though. Some experts say Vietnam’s communist leaders should sharpen their focus on helping farmers such as Mr. Duy adapt to the changing environment.

“Their competitive advantage is changing,” said Le Anh Tuan, a director at the Institute for Climate Change Studies at Can Tho University. “The delta might not always be the best place to grow rice, but people can raise shrimp instead.”

There are signs that the government is now listening. Mr. Cuong, the fisheries director, is among a network of officials helping rice farmers switch to raising fish, rather than fighting the environmental changes.

It isn’t easy. He says farmers have to learn a whole new way of working, from filtering water to investing in healthy fingerlings. “The biggest problem is land,” says Mr. Cuong, 38.



BN-MO489_VIETDE_P_20160211135021.jpg
ENLARGE

A recently completed sea wall at Nam Dien, Vietnam, designed to prevent soil erosion as sea levels rise. Photo: Vu Trong Khanh/The Wall Street Journal



Farmers typically need to borrow from relatives or local banks to buy large plots of land to accommodate a commercially viable fish pond. On average, a pond is around 2,000 square meters (21,500 square feet) in the Red River delta, and sells for around $90,000—a significant sum in Vietnam, where incomes average about $5,600 a year.

If run well, though, fish farms can be three to five times as productive as rice farming, he says. About 70% of their output is exported to China, with the rest going to the nearby cities of Hanoi and Haiphong. Living standards have improved as a result, with Mr. Duy and his neighbors earning up to $20,000 a year. Brand-new motor scooters are parked outside many of the houses in Nam Dien, and the occasional SUV bumps down country roads that wind past Buddhist pagodas and French-built Catholic churches.

The bigger problem for Vietnam might be how to help those who can’t or are unwilling to scrape together enough money to invest in a new way of life.

“The rich are getting richer and the poor and getting poorer, just like everywhere else,” Mr. Cuong said.

—Vu Trong Khanh contributed to this article.

Write to James Hookway at james.hookway@wsj.com


@Viet --- its good to see that Viet Nam is implementing environmental policies to save habitat as well as focusing on sustainable development, it is our wish to see the continued growth, development and prosperity of Viet Nam. I am so glad and proud to see that my Nation of Japan is cooperating hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder with Viet Nam is this directive of environmental resources protection and sustainable development in conjunction with forestry preservation of innate habitat.

The Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development (MARD), the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment, authorities of the five provinces and the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) signed a document on the project in Hanoi on July 9.

The project, focusing on policy support, sustainable forest management and reducing emissions from deforestation and forest degradation (REDD+), biodiversity and knowledge sharing is expected to help improve Vietnamese localities’ capacity in managing natural resources.

As the primary focus of the project, sustainable forest management and REDD+ will promote the implementation of the provincial REDD+ action plan (PRAP) in Dien Bien and the design of PRAPs in Lai Chau, Son La and Hoa Binh.

Speaking at the signing ceremony, MARD Deputy Minister Ha Cong Tuan highlighted the significance of the project, saying it will contribute to accelerating the country’s forestry restructuring plan.

Credit loans and technical assistance provided by the Japanese Government have supported Vietnam’s forestry sector in recovering forest resources and built capacity of staff working in the field.

According to the Deputy Minister, the MARD will direct relevant agencies to work with localities and the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment to carry out the project.

He asked the localities to swiftly design and enact REDD+ action plans in combination with the implementation of the national forest protection and management programme.

The REDD+ action plan is intended to counteract downgrading ecosystem and biodiversity in Vietnam. In 2012, the Government issued the National REDD+ Action Plan with the aim to improve forest management and climate change resilience.

Reference:

Japan helps Vietnam manage sustainable natural resources - News VietNamNet


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Are you talking about the south North project? I thought that was underway. I don't think finance is an issue as it's an infrastructure project that can turn desert into fertile land.
No. Bohai to Xinjiang Project.(引渤入疆).
For Chinese liking infrastructure so much, this will happen sooner or later. This project will create many lakes from inner Mongolia to Xinjiang and solve the water problem and the sandstorm problem in Northern China completely while giving China a rich land with the size of India. This will be a great achievement for human being since human being can actively search for dilute water from the sea instead of passive rain fall.

The main bottle neck is the financial costs for water desalination and clean energy to pump these waters. As I know, there is enough clean energy power since the wind power in inner Mongolia, Gansu and Xinjiang are actually redundant.

But with the water shortage problem becoming more and more serious, the water price will definitely go up; at the same time, with the development of technology, the costs for water desalination and clean energy will go down. One day the price and cost will match to allow this project to happen.

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This is just an energy to water project. If this project really happens, it will definitely affect the sea level.

Personally I believe that this will happen step by step by creating many lakes in the route by utilizing many regions lower than sea levels and abandoned coal mines.

As long as breakthroughs in sea water desalination happen, there will be phase 1 for water supply for Beijing-Tianjian supercity. Water supply by South-North project is simply well below demand.
 
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I think that all countries having problem with rising sea levels should support this China's potential huge project: Desalination sea water and pump them into deserts in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia. Those deserts are below sea levels. Just need to desalination sea water and overcome some mountains. This will solve the sea level rising problem for the whole world and China will turn inhabited deserts into many beautiful lakes. Win-Win situation for all of us.

This project ( transfer water in bohai into Xinjiang) is under popular debating. Technically it has not a big problem. The only problem is financial.

Where you going to put all the extracted salt? Salt bad for soil. You can't have it laying around exposed to wind and rain.
 
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Where you going to put all the extracted salt? Salt bad for soil. You can't have it laying around exposed to wind and rain.
You can do water desalination first at the coastal line. In the worst case, ship them to the mid of pacific and dump it, but I believe that salt demand is also high in China.
There are many institutes in Bohai Region doing R&D on water desalination. Water desalination cost is the main bottleneck. With the low sea level and richness of wind power along the route, water pumping is not a serious issue.

There are also many mega cities along the route with high industrial water demand. Sooner or later, the price and the cost will match.
 
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You can do water desalination first at the coastal line. In the worst case, ship them to the mid of pacific and dump it, but I believe that salt demand is also high in China.
There are many institutes in Bohai Region doing R&D on water desalination. Water desalination cost is the main bottleneck. With the low sea level and richness of wind power along the route, water pumping is not a serious issue.

There are also many mega cities along the route with high industrial water demand. Sooner or later, the price and the cost will match.

I don't think increasing the salt percentage in the ocean is the best strategy. You could fill in some of your desert area with salt.
 
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In TianJian, desalinated sea water has been used for industry. Regular water cost for industry is 7 yuan/ton, while desalinated sea water price is 8 yuan/ton. Desalinated sea water will soon also be pumped to be used in Beijing. China is planning large scale water desalination projects along Bohai. After filling the demand in Beijing-Tianjian, we may see the start of this Bohai-Xinjiang project.
 
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Good Idea we can build on Chinese side the wall on Song Hong river to protect Vietnam from flooding and divert it to the nord, it's a win-win for both countries :azn:

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@Viet --- its good to see that Viet Nam is implementing environmental policies to save habitat as well as focusing on sustainable development, it is our wish to see the continued growth, development and prosperity of Viet Nam. I am so glad and proud to see that my Nation of Japan is cooperating hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder with Viet Nam is this directive of environmental resources protection and sustainable development in conjunction with forestry preservation of innate habitat.

The Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Development (MARD), the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment, authorities of the five provinces and the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA) signed a document on the project in Hanoi on July 9.

The project, focusing on policy support, sustainable forest management and reducing emissions from deforestation and forest degradation (REDD+), biodiversity and knowledge sharing is expected to help improve Vietnamese localities’ capacity in managing natural resources.

As the primary focus of the project, sustainable forest management and REDD+ will promote the implementation of the provincial REDD+ action plan (PRAP) in Dien Bien and the design of PRAPs in Lai Chau, Son La and Hoa Binh.

Speaking at the signing ceremony, MARD Deputy Minister Ha Cong Tuan highlighted the significance of the project, saying it will contribute to accelerating the country’s forestry restructuring plan.

Credit loans and technical assistance provided by the Japanese Government have supported Vietnam’s forestry sector in recovering forest resources and built capacity of staff working in the field.

According to the Deputy Minister, the MARD will direct relevant agencies to work with localities and the Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment to carry out the project.

He asked the localities to swiftly design and enact REDD+ action plans in combination with the implementation of the national forest protection and management programme.

The REDD+ action plan is intended to counteract downgrading ecosystem and biodiversity in Vietnam. In 2012, the Government issued the National REDD+ Action Plan with the aim to improve forest management and climate change resilience.

Reference:

Japan helps Vietnam manage sustainable natural resources - News VietNamNet
that is the reason why the people of Vietnam have a very positive sentiment toward Japan. your assistance and help are pretty much welcome and appreciated.

Good Idea we can build on Chinese side the wall on Song Hong river to protect Vietnam from flooding and divert it to the nord, it's a win-win for both countries :azn:
try blackmailing?
 
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I think that all countries having problem with rising sea levels should support this China's potential huge project: Desalination sea water and pump them into deserts in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia. Those deserts are below sea levels. Just need to desalination sea water and overcome some mountains. This will solve the sea level rising problem for the whole world and China will turn inhabited deserts into many beautiful lakes. Win-Win situation for all of us.

This project ( transfer water in bohai into Xinjiang) is under popular debating. Technically it has not a big problem. The only problem is financial.

yo I don't know if you have any idea of scale or anything but you can run a few simple calculations: the volume of water that a 300x300 km lake with depth equal to the average depression level of even Death Valley, vs. the volume of water in a single glacial shelf.

Hint: it is absolutely puny.
 
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