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Vietnam has trouble escaping dependence on China through FTAs
By Ngan Anh, Thanh Nien News
Hanoi - Tuesday, July 15, 2014 21:24

A host of pending trade agreements could help Vietnam reduce its heavy economic reliance on China, but won't unless the country takes bold and difficult steps toward developing alternative supply chains and aggressively building up a domestic base range of fabric and component part manufacturers, economists said.

Vietnam is expected to sign 17 free trade agreements with 55 countries and territories by 2015.

Tariff exemptions and reductions provided by the agreements, particularly the 12-nation Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with the EU will allow Vietnam to import more equipment, input materials and consumer goods at better prices from first-world economies, according to Vu Tien Loc. Chairman of the Vietnam Chamber of Commerce and Industry (VCCI).

This could help Vietnam reduce its dependence on China, it's largest trading partner by a significant margin, he said.
The TPP is expected to phase out tariffs on most goods traded between its member countries over 10 years, while the FTA with the EU will eliminate tariffs on 90 percent of Vietnamese goods.

However, it won't be easy for local enterprises to secure alternatives to Chinese raw materials.

Former director of the Trade Research Institute, Nguyen Van Nam, said many importers of garments and footwear products are Chinese who insist that local manufacturers sign outsourcing contracts requiring them to use Chinese materials.

The director of a garment company in the Mekong Delta province of Tien Giang said 70 percent of the materials used in his firm's production were brought in from China in 2013 and most were exported to the same country.

In order to import more materials from markets like South Korea and Thailand, his firm would have to secure garment orders from traders in those markets. Only a small segment of customers are interested in wholly-Vietnamese products, he said.

Meanwhile, cheap Chinese materials and equipment remain the preference of most local manufacturers, especially small and medium-sized firms with limited financial resources. Given the poor state of Vietnam's fabric, component and raw material sector, low-cost alternatives to Chinese outsourcing contracts seem unattainable in the short term, Nam said.

Nam warned that Vietnam may find it hard to capitalize on these agreements at all given the fact that it has largely failed to take full advantage of the opportunities afforded by its FTA with ASEAN and the WTO.

“All firms can see benefits from tariff reduction under the future agreements. However, there are concerns about technical barriers, such as criteria on product quality, food safety, and intellectual property protection, that members like the US and EU could use to limit imports from developing countries," he said.

"It is very difficult for local firms, with their current limited financial capacity and poor production technology, to meet the minimum standards set out under those agreements," he said, citing as example the fact that local garment factories don't have access to the locally-produced fabrics required by the EU and TPP members.

Vietnam's exports to China in 2013 topped $10 billion, accounting for 9 percent of Vietnam’s total shipments abroad, while imports from the country reached some $30 billion, according to the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

Weak supporting industries

To reduce its reliance on China, Vietnam's long-term strategy must involve improving local supporting industries. Despite being a major concern for investors, this issue hasn't been ignored for years, Nam said.

Le Quang Hung, chairman of the Saigon Garment Manufacturing Trading Joint-stock Company, said Vietnamese garment producers have always sought local suppliers to reduce costs, but many components and materials cannot be found here.

Most local suppliers, especially weaving and dyeing businesses, lack the capital and technology to provide the necessary materials to garment producers, he said.

The situation has been seen in many other sectors. A dearth of supporting industries has also left Vietnamese manufacturers in trouble.
Nguyen Mai, former vice minister of the Planning and Investment, said most developing countries see their supporting industries kick in after five or 10 years of industrialization, but Vietnam's has been stuck in assembly-mode for more than 30 years.
He blamed the government for failing to implement policies that facilitate the development of component and equipment factories.
Economist Dinh The Hien said state-owned corporations involved in key sectors of the economy want to participate in all stages of their production chain, instead of ordering spare parts for their products from private small-and medium-sized enterprises components.
“It is one of the factors hindering the development of the local supporting industries,” he said.
While local enterprises were shut out of supporting industries due to weak technology and limited capital capacity, plus a shortage of government support, foreign firms haven't gotten involved due to the generally small scale of the market.
Mai said the government needs to define which supporting industries Vietnam will elevate in the coming years and build specific policies to develop them.
“There is a trend toward tax reduction in the world, so Vietnam doesn’t have much time to develop its supporting industry. The most essential thing now is to define a concrete action plan - where, when, and what to do - and implement it well.”
Economic growth is likely to tumble to 4.15-4.88 percent this year from last year's modest 5.42 percent due to Vietnam's deteriorating relationship with China, according to the Vietnam Center for Economic and Policy Research.
Vietnam has trouble escaping dependence on China through FTAs | Business | Thanh Nien Daily

The best way to bring a country to their knees is to bankrupt its economy
 
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Made in China everywhere, even raw materials.

Vietnam has many cheaper labors without core material & tech, in whole Production Chain it called OEM: "Assembly in Vietnam, Designed in China".

The same raw materials from China can export to other ASEAN nations, Vietnamese can buy from U.S or Japan with higher cost.
 
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Finland, an example of living to the giant Russia, now has one of the most diverisfied economy via exporting niche products (mostly high-tech products) to many markets. This will be a lesson for not only Vietnamese but also other countriesto "not overdependence on any single superpower"
 
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Finland, an example of living to the giant Russia, now has one of the most diverisfied economy via exporting niche products (mostly high-tech products) to many markets. This will be a lesson for not only Vietnamese but also other countriesto "not overdependence on any single superpower"

Finland has a relatively small population and very rich natural resources
if Vietnamese can do it, it would have done it centuries ago
There are many things which are missing in your country so it is inappropriate to compare the case of Finland with Vietnam
 
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the better question is would Vietnam want to? A 1.3 billion market, if Vietnam isn't in, then it's really playing with a handicap if say another nation is in.

And someone will be, as China soon won't have the price to quality advantage on the cheapest things like tooth brush, pens and stuff.

China doesn't have to export to America, but if we don't someone else will, and it would make us be at a severe disadvantage when competing in other fronts, due to the cash the other country would have made.

Example? China itself, we beat every other developing nation, cause we are in US in a big way, now the next developing power needs to be in China in a big way, or they won't have the same capital as someone who is.
 
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Honestly, Vietnamese has failed to develop its own economy for 3 reasons:

1) While other Asian neighbour have peaceful to develop after the end of World War II, Vietnamese suffer from France ( 1946 - 1954), American (1954 - 1975), Khmer Rouge (1978-1979), China (1979)
2) Chinese is a giant and accessible market for Vietnamese to trade rather than strict standard developed market.
3) Lastly, but the most imporant, the government policy did not encourge private sector to economically develop until now. And corrupted authorities has illegally taken money from domestic companies.

I believe there are still time for Vietnamese to restructure its own economy via signing FTA with many markets (Korea, Japan, USA, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, ASEAN and India) because Vietnamese people are fast learners and very entrepreneurial
 
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Honestly, Vietnamese has failed to develop its own economy for 3 reason:

1) While other Asian neighbour have peaceful to develop after the end of World War II, Vietnamese suffer from France ( 1946 - 1954), American (1954 - 1975), Khmer Rouge (1978-1979), China (1979)
2) Chinese is a giant and accessible market for Vietnamese to trade rather than strict standard developed market.
3) Lastly, but the most imporant, the government policy did not encourge private sector to economically develop until now. And corrupted authorities has illegally taken money from domestic companies.

I believe there are still time for Vietnamese to restructure its own economy via signing FTA with many markets (Korea, Japan, USA, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, ASEAN and India) because Vietnamese people are fast learner and entrepreneurial

FTA is a double edged sword
Either you are exploiting or be exploited
 
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Honestly, Vietnamese has failed to develop its own economy for 3 reasons:

1) While other Asian neighbour have peaceful to develop after the end of World War II, Vietnamese suffer from France ( 1946 - 1954), American (1954 - 1975), Khmer Rouge (1978-1979), China (1979)
2) Chinese is a giant and accessible market for Vietnamese to trade rather than strict standard developed market.
3) Lastly, but the most imporant, the government policy did not encourge private sector to economically develop until now. And corrupted authorities has illegally taken money from domestic companies.

I believe there are still time for Vietnamese to restructure its own economy via signing FTA with many markets (Korea, Japan, USA, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, ASEAN and India) because Vietnamese people are fast learners and very entrepreneurial
I agree with ur some opinions.

1. Finland has more natural resources than Vietnam
2. Neighbors around Finland all r Europe Developed Nations, they provide Civil Markets and cheaper land transportation.
3. Finland has more peaceful years than Vietnam
4. Finland Government & Officials more efficient than Vietnam's, the North Europe nation has most clean officials and less corruption.
5. Vietnam VCP not good at economy, they just following China CPC's reform, less care whether work or suitable for Vietnam local economy.
6. Vietnam invest less money into science & education system.
7. Before Vietnam search for other foreign supply, u still depend on cheaper raw material from China. China is a Great Manufacture Beast, it's not easy to leave it.


The Korea/ Japan/ US/ Russia/ Australia etc all consider Vietnam as the cheaper labor & factory, nothing else. Coz right now Vietnam lack money to purchase more goods with high price from above nations, China has BOTH (Labors + $$$$$$$).

One thing, why China can produce cheaper goods & materials than other foreign nation ? Coz China has a 1.3billion Huge Market, it also help cost down Made In China price when sell inside internal Market.
 
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the better question is would Vietnam want to? A 1.3 billion market, if Vietnam isn't in, then it's really playing with a handicap if say another nation is in.

And someone will be, as China soon won't have the price to quality advantage on the cheapest things like tooth brush, pens and stuff.

China doesn't have to export to America, but if we don't someone else will, and it would make us be at a severe disadvantage when competing in other fronts, due to the cash the other country would have made.

Example? China itself, we beat every other developing nation, cause we are in US in a big way, now the next developing power needs to be in China in a big way, or they won't have the same capital as someone who is.
Well, I'm absolutely agree with you. Businessmen are profit-driven people, they will invest where cash definitely flow into their pocket. That is why many multinational corporation has invested in such mass-produced manufacturing industries (toy, electronics and car).

China is no doubt to be a global manufacturing hub with rich resource, unlimited labour force, best complicated supply chain and logistics network. But, as moving up value chain, low-cost products will be made in other countries to serve world customers and maximize profit of investors.

For Vietnam, it do not need to follow the similar strategy in industrial development from Chinese as differences in condition. The government now plan Vietnam to be next global technology hub, not a low-cost manufacturing hub.
 
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Finland, an example of living to the giant Russia, now has one of the most diverisfied economy via exporting niche products (mostly high-tech products) to many markets. This will be a lesson for not only Vietnamese but also other countriesto "not overdependence on any single superpower"
Bro, easier said than done. A story that happened today at a famous brand name clothing store. I was standing behind woman returning items. cashier asked what is wrong she said the materials don't feel soft as it used to be. She said before production was in china, materials softer and feel better on her skin. she complained materials not soft even if it's 100% cotton made in bangladesh, india and vietnam. :o: first time i heard anyone praise chinese items.
 
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Well, I'm absolutely agree with you. Businessmen are profit-driven people, they will invest where cash definitely flow into their pocket. That is why many multinational corporation has invested in such mass-produced manufacturing industries (toy, electronics and car).

China is no doubt to be a global manufacturing hub with rich resource, unlimited labour force, best complicated supply chain and logistics network. But, as moving up value chain, low-cost products will be made in other countries to serve world customers and maximize profit of investors.

For Vietnam, it do not need to follow the similar strategy in industrial development from Chinese as differences in condition. The government now plan Vietnam to be next global technology hub, not a low-cost manufacturing hub.

First you sure you know what I mean? I mean if say Ghana, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Bangledesh takes advantage of the manufacturing vaccume we will have left in the next 2 decades gradually, will Vietnam even have a place? Especially if you have close to no access to Chinese markets.

I don't mean we will stop you, but Indonesia, Bangledesh and India as well as Pakistan are far better positioned in a way to take this void, all we have to do is not help you and you could be on the outside looking in.


As a tech hub? lol, see India, they thought they can do service and high tech, in reality, neither really happened for them, 2014, make in India started.

As it turns out, if you are technologically backwards and don't have the cash, China US, EU, and Japan/Korea has, you are not going to be successful in this field period.

Don't be hasty, everyone like the big gigs, but without the years of playing back up and washing dishes, you can't really make it.

Bro, easier said than done. A story that happened today at a famous brand name clothing store. I was standing behind woman returning items. cashier asked what is wrong she said the materials don't feel soft as it used to be. She said before production was in china, materials softer and feel better on her skin. she complained materials not soft even if it's 100% cotton made in bangladesh, india and vietnam. :o: first time i heard anyone praise chinese items.
I know right, almost as if world's 2nd biggest economy didn't get there by accident.....Weird, I know. Once these things move out of China you will see what terrible really is.

lol, enjoy.
 
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Bro, easier said than done. A story that happened today at a famous brand name clothing store. I was standing behind woman returning items. cashier asked what is wrong she said the materials don't feel soft as it used to be. She said before production was in china, materials softer and feel better on her skin. she complained materials not soft even if it's 100% cotton made in bangladesh, india and vietnam. :o: first time i heard anyone praise chinese items.
If truth, a good stroy about "Made in China" changes in foreign customer eyes, it sounds like change better and better.

I think the difference between Made in China and Made in Bangladesh it's the material of clothing, the careful customers will find out the difference.

"Made in China" now becoming a China Brand accepted by most foreign customers.:pop:
 
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Surely this member with the provocative name 'Chinese_is_invader' is a troll?

I mean come on, how can anyone allow such a provocative name to be used on this forum?
 
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What if Vietnam choose Indian culture like other SEA countries instead of Chinese culture?
 
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We do not care what the future of Vietnam.Fend for themselves or Waiting for the U.S. to save it. U.S. to save the world with shells.good luck
 
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