Vietnam Goes Shopping for U.S. Weapons

[gambit]

The VCP government is pretty clear about US intention of a color revolution.
Trust US will be a more severe problem for VCP..
VCP is trying to play with China using third parties like Russia, US, etc..

When your China abandoned the economic policies of communism and adopted capitalism, what kind of 'color revolution' do you think that was ? How about white, for surrender to common sense ?

 

[Huan]

When your China abandoned the economic policies of communism and adopted capitalism, what kind of 'color revolution' do you think that was ? How about white, for surrender to common sense ?

I think it is economic reforms, not a color revolution in China.

 

[gambit]

only operation cost, but do you forget the supply and maintenance system of VN is from Russia?

Do not care. Drop it. The American system is better anyway.

Wanna US sending guys to your airbase for fighter maintenance?

Wrong. Unless YOU personally have military aviation experience, please do not even attempt to lecture to me about it.

Or rely US on service of these planes??

Better than Russia and China.

I think it is economic reforms, not a color revolution in China.

It was a color revolution: white. As in the white flag of surrender.

 

[Carlosa]

The problem here is that the Vietnamese government still have enough ideological dinosaurs, with appropriate small brain sizes, to believe that Russia is an ideological ally in the mold of the Soviet Union of old. These fools WILL make the wrong decisions and will leave Viet Nam vulnerable to Chinese aggression.

There is indeed a great risk of that, that old party guard is what has been keeping VN backward and always hoping that their comrades at the northern border share their sense of being fraternal allies even that all the evidence points to the contrary. I would hope that after the oil rig episode, things are clear enough, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[Huan]

At least. You should understand that the USAF is an expeditionary force, meaning we will tax our F-16 fleet more than other F-16 flyers will. Russia is a bad deal, and am not saying that because Russia is a US adversary. The Russians are renting out their front line fighters for tourists. That is how the Russian Air Force supplement its operating costs. The long term reliability of Russia as an arms supplier is dubious and even the Chinese knows it.

The F-16 is combat proven and is an accomplished flyer in all but the North and South Poles. The single engine fear is done -- not worth debating. The avionics architecture is reliable and was the pioneer for ALL advanced flight control systems today, civilian and military. No jet from Russia and China can claim that. In fact, the A/B analog flight control computers are still flying in test jets out at Edwards AFB and the Thais are flying the A/B analog jets and upgrades will extend the jets out to 2035. But if Viet Nam get the later digital blocs F-16, it will make the VNAF a more formidable deterrence to any potential adversary for at least 20 yrs out.

Thailand – F-16 Mid-Life Upgrade | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

The problem here is that the Vietnamese government still have enough ideological dinosaurs, with appropriate small brain sizes, to believe that Russia is an ideological ally in the mold of the Soviet Union of old. These fools WILL make the wrong decisions and will leave Viet Nam vulnerable to Chinese aggression.

Vietnam is communist. I thought you despise communist countries. Why would you be enthusiastic about Vietnam getting the modernized F-16's?

 

[Carlosa]

only operation cost, but do you forget the supply and maintenance system of VN is from Russia?
Wanna US sending guys to your airbase for fighter maintenance?
Or rely US on service of these planes??

I was considering everything and by the way, the vietnamese maintenance people have already demonstrated how well adept they are at servicing and overhauling the SU-30 and its engines, so I would expect no less with the F-16.

 

[hans]

China is more capitalism than majority capitalism countries. Do you know that?

When your China abandoned the economic policies of communism and adopted capitalism, what kind of 'color revolution' do you think that was ? How about white, for surrender to common sense ?

 

[Huan]

It was a color revolution: white. As in the white flag of surrender.

It is not. Those are your pure delusional words of interpreting it.

 

[hans]

Seems you try to show off that you knew a lot, do you?

Do not care. Drop it. The American system is better anyway.
Wrong. Unless YOU personally have military aviation experience, please do not even attempt to lecture to me about it.
Better than Russia and China.
It was a color revolution: white. As in the white flag of surrender.

 

[hans]

Even you can do that, having two complete different system of fighter like F16 and Su 30 will be a disaster for your air force.
Complete difference spare parts, difference maintenance, different weapons like missiles.
I would say your air force guys won`t like that...

I was considering everything and by the way, the vietnamese maintenance people have already demonstrated how well adept they are at servicing and overhauling the SU-30 and its engines, so I would expect no less with the F-16.

 

[Carlosa]

Even you can do that, having two complete different system of fighter like F16 and Su 30 will be a disaster for your air force.
Complete difference spare parts, difference maintenance, different weapons like missiles.
I would say your air force guys won`t like that...

The need for that single engine, low operating cost / maintenance fighter is more important than the extra logistical chain and there are other reasons too, such as not depending too much on just 1 supplier, many other countries have done the same thing for that reason also.

Indonesia deals with SU-30 / 27 and F-16s, etc quite ok.

 

[Viet]

At least. You should understand that the USAF is an expeditionary force, meaning we will tax our F-16 fleet more than other F-16 flyers will. Russia is a bad deal, and am not saying that because Russia is a US adversary. The Russians are renting out their front line fighters for tourists. That is how the Russian Air Force supplement its operating costs. The long term reliability of Russia as an arms supplier is dubious and even the Chinese knows it.

The F-16 is combat proven and is an accomplished flyer in all but the North and South Poles. The single engine fear is done -- not worth debating. The avionics architecture is reliable and was the pioneer for ALL advanced flight control systems today, civilian and military. No jet from Russia and China can claim that. In fact, the A/B analog flight control computers are still flying in test jets out at Edwards AFB and the Thais are flying the A/B analog jets and upgrades will extend the jets out to 2035. But if Viet Nam get the later digital blocs F-16, it will make the VNAF a more formidable deterrence to any potential adversary for at least 20 yrs out.

Thailand – F-16 Mid-Life Upgrade | The Official Home of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency

The problem here is that the Vietnamese government still have enough ideological dinosaurs, with appropriate small brain sizes, to believe that Russia is an ideological ally in the mold of the Soviet Union of old. These fools WILL make the wrong decisions and will leave Viet Nam vulnerable to Chinese aggression.

I believe, more important than f-16 for Vietnam now is seeking a informal economic and military alliance with the trio: America, Japan and Philippines. informal now, formal later if necessary. the likelihood the Chinese ease arrogance and aggression is low. there is no solution in sight in the dispute on the horizon, either, because CCP commies believe they can subjugate Vietnam by their sheer economic and military power.

I think even the most pro-china people within VCP realize it after the oil rig provocation.

 

[Huan]

I believe, more important than f-16 for Vietnam now is seeking a informal economic and military alliance with the trio: America, Japan and Philippines. informal now, formal later if necessary. the likelihood the Chinese ease arrogance and aggression is low. there is no solution in sight in the dispute on the horizon, either, because CCP commies believe they can subjugate Vietnam by their sheer economic and military power.

I think even the most pro-china people within VCP realize it after the oil rig provocation.

First, you must let the US Navy use your Cam Ranh Bay.

 

[Carlosa]

I believe, more important than f-16 for Vietnam now is seeking a informal economic and military alliance with the trio: America, Japan and Philippines. informal now, formal later if necessary. the likelihood the Chinese ease arrogance and aggression is low. there is no solution in sight in the dispute on the horizon, either, because CCP commies believe they can subjugate Vietnam by their sheer economic and military power.

I think even the most pro-china people within VCP realize it after the oil rig provocation.

You forgot India.

 

[Huan]

You forgot India.

India, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines = a Gang of Four to rape China for the USA eh?