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ExxonMobile is ready to suck gas from the SC sea by November. As welcome greetings to Donald Trump state visit to Vietnam.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

There are plenty of links about that, section 301 allows massive trade retaliation, China can bark all it wants that it can also retaliate, but as having a very big trade advantage, they have the most to lose and that's a fact:

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...trade-investigations-against-china-on-monday/

http://thedailycoin.org/2017/08/13/trump-warns-xi-trade-war-china-starts-monday-video/

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/tru...gainst-china-have-some-fearing-trade-war.html

http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2016/12/trumps-dangerous-trade-tool-000251

You viets sure like grasping at straw. The law is not even passed yet & you already counting the chickens before they hatch. [emoji38]

Whatever we have gone too far off topic anyway mod please erase whatever you see fit.

 

[Viet]

Aussie defense minister Marise Payne with female sharpshooters. Australia's C-17 Globemaster III aircraft will transport the Vietnamese contingent including 70 doctors and nurses and a complete field hospital to South Sudan. The question is whether or not Australia's airforce will come to rescue should the Vietnamese contingent come under attack.

 

[Carlosa]

You viets sure like grasping at straw. The law is not even passed yet & you already counting the chickens before they hatch. [emoji38]

Whatever we have gone too far off topic anyway mod please erase whatever you see fit.

What law? Its an investigation and it has already started. That's all you can come up with once you run out out of arguments?

 

[Viet]

Legendary since the Vietnam war, s75 anti aircraft missile with new guidance system will be put to field test.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

What law? Its an investigation and it has already started. That's all you can come up with once you run out out of arguments?

You can say that it is "very, very vague." [emoji13]

 

[Aqsuperman]

One think that typhoon is nothing but a propaganda and claim that we are coward to take shelter from the raging sea. Then here come another that don't know the definition between a "law" and a "investigation". Well they are the shining examples of our northen neighbor, folks

To go back to point of the thread, which has been offtrack for the last 30 pages thanks to several "not so knowledgeable" persons that into tabloid and crap like that, here is some relevant new:

The Japan Self Defence Force intend to retire a sizable number of their aircraft and empty their spare parts. Philipine just got the their hands on the helicopter parts but the main prizes still remain, namely the P-3 Orion plus possibly C-130. There are several contestants in the region for it, Vietnam included. If the VPN can get their hands on even just a part of the JSDF P-3 fleet, the branch anti - submarine capability will be considerbly increased.

...Or we probably got some already lol

 

[Viet]

Lots of sand...

new roads, new ports, new houses on artificial grounds

 

[Viet]

One think that typhoon is nothing but a propaganda and claim that we are coward to take shelter from the raging sea. Then here come another that don't know the definition between a "law" and a "investigation". Well they are the shining examples of our northen neighbor, folks

To go back to point of the thread, which has been offtrack for the last 30 pages thanks to several "not so knowledgeable" persons that into tabloid and crap like that, here is some relevant new:

The Japan Self Defence Force intend to retire a sizable number of their aircraft and empty their spare parts. Philipine just got the their hands on the helicopter parts but the main prizes still remain, namely the P-3 Orion plus possibly C-130. There are several contestants in the region for it, Vietnam included. If the VPN can get their hands on even just a part of the JSDF P-3 fleet, the branch anti - submarine capability will be considerbly increased.

...Or we probably got some already lol

Japan is probably the most important country for Vietnam during the years of hardships, providing most of basic things from A to Z. I think, to the people of JP we can be grateful of. Not sure if true I hear there is a saying in Japan: if you come to me, you will never be hungry. I once floated the idea of state union between Vietnam and Japan, hope that comes to reality in my lifetime.

Actress Lam Phuong, a Viet girl named as goodwill ambassador of Japan international cooperation agency.

 

[Carlosa]

Growing Commerce With India Gives Vietnam New Defense Against China

https://www.voanews.com/a/growing-c...ew-defense-against-china/4008062.html?ref=yfp

I can't post the text since the website is blocked in China, where I am at the moment, maybe someone can post the text? Looks interesting.

 

[xiao qi]

Growing Commerce With India Gives Vietnam New Defense Against China

https://www.voanews.com/a/growing-c...ew-defense-against-china/4008062.html?ref=yfp

I can't post the text since the website is blocked in China, where I am at the moment, maybe someone can post the text? Looks interesting.

Growing Commerce With India Gives Vietnam New Defense Against China
A flood of Indian business in fast-growing Vietnam has solidified commercial ties to help Hanoi upgrade an alliance with a powerful Asian neighbor and offset dependence on its historic rival, the more massive China.

Indian investment in Vietnam has reached $2 billion and bilateral trade hit $10 billion over the year ending in March on its way to $15 billion by 2020, said Radha Krishnan, vice chairman of the Indian Business Chamber of Vietnam.

"As of now that is very easily achievable," Krishnan said. "The last three ... years exports from Vietnam to India have picked up momentum."

Vietnam has many trade partners

Last year the two countries agreed to upgrade a "strategic partnership," giving Vietnam more Indian market access, and they will drop import tariffs in 2022 as part of a trade deal with a bloc of Southeast Asian countries.

Those totals hardly match those of Vietnam's long-time investment sources such as Taiwan, South Korea and China. But their growth offers Vietnam a line to the world's second-largest country, helping to reduce dependence on China, which is the world's second-largest economy and Vietnam's biggest trading partner.

China-Vietnam set a trade target of $100 billion in 2016, but the pair disputes a swathe of the South China Sea. Their dispute sparked clashes in 1974, 1988 and 2014.

"The Vietnamese government, they don't want to get an unbalanced investment portfolio where any particular country or region is dominant, because then it just unbalances everything else — foreign policy, domestic politics and everything," said Frederick Burke, partner with the international law firm Baker McKenzie in Ho Chi Minh City.

"As far as people who think about strategic issues are concerned, they would like the Indians to be probably more present in the market, because they're probably behind mainland China in particular," he said. "Everybody wants to balance the two out, be friends with both. That's the ideal situation."

Robust trade but also continuing disputes with China

Vietnam depends on China for cheap mass market goods, as well as raw materials for export manufacturing. The two Communist countries fought a border war in the 1970s shortly after what was then South Vietnam lost the Paracel Islands to China. That archipelago is part of the South China Sea.

In 2014, the placement of a Chinese oil rig in the South China Sea east of Vietnam touched off a boat-ramming incident and deadly anti-China riots on land. In June, a Chinese military official cut short his Vietnam visit as the host drilled for oil offshore.

Over the past two decades, Indian farming, garment and pharmaceutical investment have reached Vietnam because of its eager partners, Krishnan said. Low-cost but advanced Indian technology has helped Vietnam farm in dry weather, produce sugar and process cashews, he said. Tata Power of India runs a $1.8 billion thermal power plant in Vietnam.

FILE PHOTO: Flag of PetroVietnam flutters next to Vietnamese national flag and Communist Party flag in front of the headquarters of PetroVietnam in Hanoi Jan. 11, 2016.

For the past three years, the overseas subsidiary of India's government-run ONGC has worked with PetroVietnam Exploration Production Corporation to search for oil and gas in the South China Sea.

About 80,000 Indians visit Vietnam every year, often as tourists looking for business opportunities, and 20,000 go the other way, sometimes as travelers to Buddhist landmarks, Krishnan said.

India has its own reasons for strengthening trade with Vietnam

India, for its part, is keen to resist China's expansion in Asia. The two Asian powers are easing just this week a more than two-month-old military standoff in Bhutan. China claims the area in question, and Bhutan called on India to help when the Chinese came to work on a highway project.

Countries that build trade, investment and economic ties do not always become political allies, but in the India-Vietnam case, that fate is "natural," said Alexander Huang, strategic studies professor at Tamkang University in Taiwan. China, he added, is unlikely to flinch at India because Vietnam is chasing stronger ties with other powerful countries, as well.

"You don't need to be a grand strategist to think of diversifying your market," Huang said. "Of course it will have some kind of impact, but so far I do not see one to the degree that will fundamentally change the Chinese perception over Vietnam, because the United States is improving relationships with Vietnam, Japan is improving relationships with Vietnam."

A need to resist continued Chinese expansion

Beijing's "belligerence" and escalation of territorial disputes in the seas to the Bhutan border have "served to bring a coalition of China-wary states closer," said Mohan Malik,professor at the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Honolulu.

Elsewhere in Asia, Indonesia, Myanmar and the Philippines have also tried to balance foreign policies between China and the West, often through trade and investment.

China is expected to keep a special eye out for India's maritime ties with Vietnam. The Indian oil company could work again in the waters off Vietnam, Krishnan said. Officials in Hanoi, he said, would try to protect that investment and others.

"I don't think it's going to be a big problem per se," said Krishnan. "We are very, very positive that both governments will be able to handle that very, very positively. I don't think investments made in Vietnam by a foreign country or company will be at risk."

 

[IblinI]

You viets sure like grasping at straw. The law is not even passed yet & you already counting the chickens before they hatch. [emoji38]

Whatever we have gone too far off topic anyway mod please erase whatever you see fit.

It is nothing compared with the era of TPP.

 

[Viet]

Indian offer to sell Brahmos missiles to Vietnam stalled

MANU PUBBY
August 30, 2017 theprint.in

A file image of the Brahmos missile. Source: Ministry of Defence


Vietnam is reconsidering deal as it is in direct talks with Russia for supply of similar missiles


Contrary to reports earlier this month in the Vietnamese media about sale and delivery of Brahmos cruise missiles, negotiations for the system with India have stalled, with indications that Hanoi is reconsidering the offer.

Sources who did not wish to be named told ThePrint that detailed talks had been held on the sale of the cruise missiles — jointly developed and produced by India and Russia — but the matter got stuck on pricing and technology issues.

India has offered Vietnam a $500 million line of credit for defence-related equipment, but the utilisation of these funds depends on what the nation requires. India is already working on new patrol boats for Vietnam as well as a refit of its older Petya-class warships with modern equipment.

Ironically, the biggest challenge to the Brahmos sale has come from joint developer Russia itself that has similar missiles to offer. Russia, which has seen its international market for arms shrink with growing competition from players like China, has Vietnam as one of its major customers for military equipment.

It is learnt that Hanoi has been in talks with Russia’s NPO Mashinostroyeniya, which makes similar supersonic cruise missiles for the export market, including the Yakhont that can be used for shore defence systems.

While pricing could be one consideration — a direct purchase from Russia could turn out to be cheaper — Vietnam is also looking at some technology transfer that may turn the matter in Moscow’s favour. Besides, Brahmos is marketed by a government-controlled corporation, limiting Indian ability to incentivise sales.

As has been reported, India will weaponise two Petya-class frigates of the Vietnamese Navy to make them fit for an anti-submarine role. The Russian origin frigates are getting new sonar system, torpedo launchers and a modern fire control system.

Vietnam will also get 10 new patrol boats from India as part of an earlier $100 million line of credit. Besides, talks are also on for the high-speed heavy weight ‘Varunastra’ torpedo that has been developed by India.

 

[Carlosa]

Growing Commerce With India Gives Vietnam New Defense Against China
A flood of Indian business in fast-growing Vietnam has solidified commercial ties to help Hanoi upgrade an alliance with a powerful Asian neighbor and offset dependence on its historic rival, the more massive China.

Indian investment in Vietnam has reached $2 billion and bilateral trade hit $10 billion over the year ending in March on its way to $15 billion by 2020, said Radha Krishnan, vice chairman of the Indian Business Chamber of Vietnam.

"As of now that is very easily achievable," Krishnan said. "The last three ... years exports from Vietnam to India have picked up momentum."

Vietnam has many trade partners

Last year the two countries agreed to upgrade a "strategic partnership," giving Vietnam more Indian market access, and they will drop import tariffs in 2022 as part of a trade deal with a bloc of Southeast Asian countries.

Those totals hardly match those of Vietnam's long-time investment sources such as Taiwan, South Korea and China. But their growth offers Vietnam a line to the world's second-largest country, helping to reduce dependence on China, which is the world's second-largest economy and Vietnam's biggest trading partner.

China-Vietnam set a trade target of $100 billion in 2016, but the pair disputes a swathe of the South China Sea. Their dispute sparked clashes in 1974, 1988 and 2014.

"The Vietnamese government, they don't want to get an unbalanced investment portfolio where any particular country or region is dominant, because then it just unbalances everything else — foreign policy, domestic politics and everything," said Frederick Burke, partner with the international law firm Baker McKenzie in Ho Chi Minh City.

"As far as people who think about strategic issues are concerned, they would like the Indians to be probably more present in the market, because they're probably behind mainland China in particular," he said. "Everybody wants to balance the two out, be friends with both. That's the ideal situation."

Robust trade but also continuing disputes with China

Vietnam depends on China for cheap mass market goods, as well as raw materials for export manufacturing. The two Communist countries fought a border war in the 1970s shortly after what was then South Vietnam lost the Paracel Islands to China. That archipelago is part of the South China Sea.

In 2014, the placement of a Chinese oil rig in the South China Sea east of Vietnam touched off a boat-ramming incident and deadly anti-China riots on land. In June, a Chinese military official cut short his Vietnam visit as the host drilled for oil offshore.

Over the past two decades, Indian farming, garment and pharmaceutical investment have reached Vietnam because of its eager partners, Krishnan said. Low-cost but advanced Indian technology has helped Vietnam farm in dry weather, produce sugar and process cashews, he said. Tata Power of India runs a $1.8 billion thermal power plant in Vietnam.

FILE PHOTO: Flag of PetroVietnam flutters next to Vietnamese national flag and Communist Party flag in front of the headquarters of PetroVietnam in Hanoi Jan. 11, 2016.

For the past three years, the overseas subsidiary of India's government-run ONGC has worked with PetroVietnam Exploration Production Corporation to search for oil and gas in the South China Sea.

About 80,000 Indians visit Vietnam every year, often as tourists looking for business opportunities, and 20,000 go the other way, sometimes as travelers to Buddhist landmarks, Krishnan said.

India has its own reasons for strengthening trade with Vietnam

India, for its part, is keen to resist China's expansion in Asia. The two Asian powers are easing just this week a more than two-month-old military standoff in Bhutan. China claims the area in question, and Bhutan called on India to help when the Chinese came to work on a highway project.

Countries that build trade, investment and economic ties do not always become political allies, but in the India-Vietnam case, that fate is "natural," said Alexander Huang, strategic studies professor at Tamkang University in Taiwan. China, he added, is unlikely to flinch at India because Vietnam is chasing stronger ties with other powerful countries, as well.

"You don't need to be a grand strategist to think of diversifying your market," Huang said. "Of course it will have some kind of impact, but so far I do not see one to the degree that will fundamentally change the Chinese perception over Vietnam, because the United States is improving relationships with Vietnam, Japan is improving relationships with Vietnam."

A need to resist continued Chinese expansion

Beijing's "belligerence" and escalation of territorial disputes in the seas to the Bhutan border have "served to bring a coalition of China-wary states closer," said Mohan Malik,professor at the Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Honolulu.

Elsewhere in Asia, Indonesia, Myanmar and the Philippines have also tried to balance foreign policies between China and the West, often through trade and investment.

China is expected to keep a special eye out for India's maritime ties with Vietnam. The Indian oil company could work again in the waters off Vietnam, Krishnan said. Officials in Hanoi, he said, would try to protect that investment and others.

"I don't think it's going to be a big problem per se," said Krishnan. "We are very, very positive that both governments will be able to handle that very, very positively. I don't think investments made in Vietnam by a foreign country or company will be at risk."

Thank you sis, It turned out to be a good article.

Indian offer to sell Brahmos missiles to Vietnam stalled

MANU PUBBY
August 30, 2017 theprint.in

A file image of the Brahmos missile. Source: Ministry of Defence


Vietnam is reconsidering deal as it is in direct talks with Russia for supply of similar missiles


Contrary to reports earlier this month in the Vietnamese media about sale and delivery of Brahmos cruise missiles, negotiations for the system with India have stalled, with indications that Hanoi is reconsidering the offer.

Sources who did not wish to be named told ThePrint that detailed talks had been held on the sale of the cruise missiles — jointly developed and produced by India and Russia — but the matter got stuck on pricing and technology issues.

India has offered Vietnam a $500 million line of credit for defence-related equipment, but the utilisation of these funds depends on what the nation requires. India is already working on new patrol boats for Vietnam as well as a refit of its older Petya-class warships with modern equipment.

Ironically, the biggest challenge to the Brahmos sale has come from joint developer Russia itself that has similar missiles to offer. Russia, which has seen its international market for arms shrink with growing competition from players like China, has Vietnam as one of its major customers for military equipment.

It is learnt that Hanoi has been in talks with Russia’s NPO Mashinostroyeniya, which makes similar supersonic cruise missiles for the export market, including the Yakhont that can be used for shore defence systems.

While pricing could be one consideration — a direct purchase from Russia could turn out to be cheaper — Vietnam is also looking at some technology transfer that may turn the matter in Moscow’s favour. Besides, Brahmos is marketed by a government-controlled corporation, limiting Indian ability to incentivise sales.

As has been reported, India will weaponise two Petya-class frigates of the Vietnamese Navy to make them fit for an anti-submarine role. The Russian origin frigates are getting new sonar system, torpedo launchers and a modern fire control system.

Vietnam will also get 10 new patrol boats from India as part of an earlier $100 million line of credit. Besides, talks are also on for the high-speed heavy weight ‘Varunastra’ torpedo that has been developed by India.

This is mighty interesting, Russia is actually double dealing to undermined India. Not unexpected at all.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Thank you sis, It turned out to be a good article.



This is mighty interesting, Russia is actually double dealing to undermined India. Not unexpected at all.

That is very interesting.

Russia is in no position to subsidise the military buildup in Vietnam.

But still trying to block deals.