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It is not a secret to tell Vietnam military acquisition depends on security environment on land, air and sea. Should any of the parameters change, let say a threat at land, the money will flow into the area quickly.

I would put money into longer range ballistic and cruise missiles in order to strike deep into China, combat UAV's armed with anti ship / air to ground missiles, get the damn AWACS planes once and for all, they might have been ordered already but in secret as usual, I don't know.
 
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I would put money into longer range ballistic and cruise missiles in order to strike deep into China, combat UAV's armed with anti ship / air to ground missiles, get the damn AWACS planes once and for all, they might have been ordered already but in secret as usual, I don't know.
Rest assured Vietnamese people are generally not stupid the Chinese should understand not provoke us too much. Vietnam is building up a $6.8 billion petroleum strategic reserves. And that is just the beginning.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/vietnam-oil-idUKL3N1KJ1IH
 
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Vietnam says others should respect its right to drill for South China Sea oil
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-vietnam-china-idUSKBN1AD1FB
January 17, 2013.Quang Le

HANOI (Reuters) - Vietnam on Friday said other countries should respect its legitimate right to drill for oil in its waters amid growing tension with China over energy development in the South China Sea.

The drilling began in mid-June in Vietnam's Block 136/3, which is licensed to Vietnam's state oil firm, Spain's Repsol and Mubadala Development Co [MUDEV.UL] of the United Arab Emirates.

The block lies inside the U-shaped "nine-dash line" that marks the vast area that China claims in the sea and overlaps what it says are its own oil concessions.

China on Tuesday urged a halt to the drilling.

"Vietnam's petroleum-related activities take place in the sea entirely under the sovereignty and jurisdiction of Vietnam established in accordance with international law," Vietnamese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Le Thi Thu Hang said in a statement sent to Reuters.

"Vietnam proposes all concerned parties to respect the legitimate rights and interests of Vietnam."

This week, the BBC reported that Vietnam had halted drilling there after Chinese threats, but there was no independent confirmation and neither Vietnamese officials nor Repsol made any comment on the report.

Thomson Reuters data showed the drilling ship Deepsea Metro I was in the same position on Friday as it had been since drilling began on the block in the middle of June.

China claims most of the energy-rich South China Sea through which about $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year. Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims.
 
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Actually it does. China did not claim the entire SCS. They claim the islands within the 9 dash line.

Really? Thats what the 9 dash line was for? Could have just circle all the islands they want to claim.

http://time.com/4412191/nine-dash-line-9-south-china-sea/

Wang Ying, a Chinese marine geographer, also feels aggrieved by the tribunal’s award. “They didn’t respect history,” she says, of the international court. “I totally agree with the response of our government.” The 81-year-old member of the prestigious Chinese Academy of Sciences is the disciple of Yang Huairen, a Chinese geographer who, in 1947, helped etch the U-shaped, 11-dash line on Chinese maps to demarcate roughly 90% of the contested South China Sea for his homeland. “All the lines have a scientific basis,” says Wang, who still teaches at Nanjing University in eastern China. “I’m a scientist, not someone in politics.”

Ultimately, it’s not even clear what the nine-dash line means to China. Is it all water within the boundary or all territorial features? For the average Chinese, every drop of sea within the dashes is clearly China’s. “The discontinuous line,” says Wang, “means the national border on the sea.” The geographer clarifies further. “The dash lines mean the ocean, islands and reefs all belong to China and that China has sovereign rights,” she says. “But it’s discontinuous, meaning that other countries can pass through the lines freely.”
 
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Really? Thats what the 9 dash line was for? Could have just circle all the islands they want to claim.

http://time.com/4412191/nine-dash-line-9-south-china-sea/

Wang Ying, a Chinese marine geographer, also feels aggrieved by the tribunal’s award. “They didn’t respect history,” she says, of the international court. “I totally agree with the response of our government.” The 81-year-old member of the prestigious Chinese Academy of Sciences is the disciple of Yang Huairen, a Chinese geographer who, in 1947, helped etch the U-shaped, 11-dash line on Chinese maps to demarcate roughly 90% of the contested South China Sea for his homeland. “All the lines have a scientific basis,” says Wang, who still teaches at Nanjing University in eastern China. “I’m a scientist, not someone in politics.”

Ultimately, it’s not even clear what the nine-dash line means to China. Is it all water within the boundary or all territorial features? For the average Chinese, every drop of sea within the dashes is clearly China’s. “The discontinuous line,” says Wang, “means the national border on the sea.” The geographer clarifies further. “The dash lines mean the ocean, islands and reefs all belong to China and that China has sovereign rights,” she says. “But it’s discontinuous, meaning that other countries can pass through the lines freely.”

China's actions on the ground already make it very clear that they claim all the waters which is the reason why they claim that military ships need their permission to pass and when they do, they followed / shadow them constantly. Every time a country says that they will send ships to patrol, the chinese clearly state that is a provocative, illegal action, they say it all the time. Its all very clear. Obviously, those actions and statements are only possible if they claim all the waters.

The thing about only claiming the islands is just a marketing ploy in the salami slicing technique that they been using. And anyway, anybody that understand / follows chinese actions can see that whatever they say / agree / promise / put down in a piece of paper has no value whatsoever. The chinese will change or stop implementing it at the moment that is convenient to them. Case in point, the Hong Kong treaty with the British that the chinese just declared that they are not bound by it, its just a "historical document". No need to say anything else, that episode speaks by itself.
 
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China's actions on the ground already make it very clear that they claim all the waters which is the reason why they claim that military ships need their permission to pass and when they do, they followed / shadow them constantly. Every time a country says that they will send ships to patrol, the chinese clearly state that is a provocative, illegal action, they say it all the time. Its all very clear. Obviously, those actions and statements are only possible if they claim all the waters.

The thing about only claiming the islands is just a marketing ploy in the salami slicing technique that they been using. And anyway, anybody that understand / follows chinese actions can see that whatever they say / agree / promise / put down in a piece of paper has no value whatsoever. The chinese will change or stop implementing it at the moment that is convenient to them. Case in point, the Hong Kong treaty with the British that the chinese just declared that they are not bound by it, its just a "historical document". No need to say anything else, that episode speaks by itself.

Not to mention deterring other countries that are fishing as well.
 
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Not to mention deterring other countries that are fishing as well.

Or drilling for oil as just happened near Vanguard Bank where the Repsol drilling rig is located. I don't see any chinese island anywhere near that area, so.............. oh surprise..........Its the waters.
 
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Really? Thats what the 9 dash line was for? Could have just circle all the islands they want to claim.

http://time.com/4412191/nine-dash-line-9-south-china-sea/

Wang Ying, a Chinese marine geographer, also feels aggrieved by the tribunal’s award. “They didn’t respect history,” she says, of the international court. “I totally agree with the response of our government.” The 81-year-old member of the prestigious Chinese Academy of Sciences is the disciple of Yang Huairen, a Chinese geographer who, in 1947, helped etch the U-shaped, 11-dash line on Chinese maps to demarcate roughly 90% of the contested South China Sea for his homeland. “All the lines have a scientific basis,” says Wang, who still teaches at Nanjing University in eastern China. “I’m a scientist, not someone in politics.”

Ultimately, it’s not even clear what the nine-dash line means to China. Is it all water within the boundary or all territorial features? For the average Chinese, every drop of sea within the dashes is clearly China’s. “The discontinuous line,” says Wang, “means the national border on the sea.” The geographer clarifies further. “The dash lines mean the ocean, islands and reefs all belong to China and that China has sovereign rights,” she says. “But it’s discontinuous, meaning that other countries can pass through the lines freely.”
There is no such "historic right" in the international relation. Nor historic sovereignty. Whoever says such thing such as the Chinese should consult a doc to check if their own brain is damaged.
 
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Communist Parties Expected to Ease Latest China-Vietnam Maritime Quarrel
TAIPEI, TAIWAN —

https://www.voanews.com/a/communist-parties-china-vietnam-maritime-upset/3962636.html?ref=yfp

China has gone back on the verbal offensive against Vietnam, its strongest adversary in the disputed South China Sea, after a year of peacemaking, but analysts believe Communist parties on both sides will meet to prevent any escalation.

The abrupt end last month of a visit to Vietnam by a Chinese military official and apparent pressure from Beijing this month to make Vietnam quit an offshore oil exploration tract have put the two sides at odds. The new tensions come after a year in which officials from the two countries met for talks on maritime cooperation and other economic ties.

Despite the specter of another conflict, such as the anti-China riots of 2014 in Vietnam or the deadly sea clashes of 1974 and 1988, observers expect ruling party leaders from the Communist neighbors will probably meet to put the current dispute on hold.

Disagreements disappear

That mechanism has worked for the past five to 10 years, said Oh Ei Sun, international studies instructor at Singapore Nanyang University.

“Typically you see this seemingly quite serious disagreement, but then again there is a very special relationship, a special so-called party-to-party relationship between the Chinese Communist Party and their Vietnamese counterpart, so I would expect in the next few months or even weeks you will see a party delegation,” Oh said.

“And then they will talk things over, and then you will see this sort of dispute would go away at least temporarily,” he said.

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South China Sea Territorial Claims
Back-channel talks

China may not take Vietnam’s oil exploration “lightly,” but “Vietnam is also testing China,” said Collin Koh, maritime security research fellow at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore. He predicted the two sides would avoid physical conflict.

“You’ll still see these back-channel talks between the two countries, more accurately between the two parties,” Koh said. “Every now and then they will put out those statements, ‘They agree (to) properly manage the dispute. Things are working well, don’t worry, a squabble between Communist brothers here, so we don’t have to worry too much that there’s a war.’”

In April 2015, for example, heads of the two Communist parties pledged to use dialogue in easing the maritime dispute. Less than a year earlier, China touched off rioting in Vietnam by allowing an oil rig to be positioned in disputed waters 240 kilometers east of the Southeast Asian country.

“Obviously as the country with the smaller navy, Vietnam would prefer talks to kinetic activity,” said Murray Hiebert, deputy director of the Southeast Asia Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies think tank in Washington. “It’s hard to guess how long the spat will continue, but both sides have interest in avoiding military confrontation at the moment.”

Vietnam will host a 21-member Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in November and China is readying for a major Communist Party congress around the same time, Hiebert noted.

But Koh cautions that the party-to-party statements “don’t carry much meaning” and that China’s vigilance will remain high.

Overlapping claims to South China Sea

Beijing and Hanoi have overlapping claims to the 3.5 million-square-kilometer South China Sea. Both have landfilled tiny islets under their respective control. Vietnam is widely regarded as the most aggressive country in resisting China’s claim to more than 90 percent of the sea, which is valued for oil, gas, fish and shipping lanes.

Reports over the past week have said Vietnam told a foreign oil firm to suspend the search for fossil fuels around Vanguard Bank in the Spratly Islands, probably under strong Chinese pressure.

Le Hong Hiep, research fellow with ISEAS Yusof Ishak Institute in Singapore, said Vietnam may have pulled back to soothe China or may have simply finished its work.

But Vietnam expects to continue looking for oil with protection from the July 2016 world arbitration court ruling that says China lacks a legal basis to claim much of the sea that it calls its own, Le said. China rejected the ruling.

Claimants to the South China Sea — including Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines and Taiwan as well — must periodically move to prove their claims are still active, political scientists note.

“From the Vietnamese perspective, the ruling confirms that this area is not disputed and Vietnam has exclusive sovereign right over it,” Le said. “Vietnam is therefore emboldened and believes that their activities there are well justified.”

Last month the vice chairman of the Chinese Central Military Commission cut short a “defense border meeting” in Vietnam, Beijing’s official Xinhua News Agency reported. He left to warn Vietnam against exploring for oil at sea, experts said then.
 
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A reporter from Vietnam has the chance to visit NPO Saturn, the factory that produces turbofans for Su30, S34 and Su35 fighter aircraft. A representative of the company, Polyakov, says NPO Saturn meets the highest requirements for product quality and perfect after-sales service for customer Vietnam.

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JULY 28, 2017
Vietnam asks Indonesia to investigate South China Sea shooting

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-southchinasea-vietnam-indonesia-idUSKBN1AD1P5

HANOI (Reuters) - Vietnam's foreign minister has asked his Indonesian counterpart to investigate and clarify reports that the Indonesian navy shot and wounded two Vietnamese fishermen in the South China Sea, the foreign ministry said on Friday.

Pham Binh Minh told Indonesian foreign minister Retno Marsudi by telephone that the reported incident was "very serious ... and not appropriate with the strategic partnership relationship between Vietnam and Indonesia," the Vietnamese foreign ministry said in a statement.

"Vietnam is deeply concerned about this incident and proposes Indonesia to quickly investigate and clarify the incident and inform Vietnam of the results and to stop repeating similar acts," Minh was quoting as saying.

Earlier this week, a local Vietnamese sea rescue committee said Indonesia's navy had shot and wounded Vietnamese fishermen aboard a fishing boat in the South China Sea last weekend.

The Vietnamese boat was about 132 nautical miles (245 km) southeast of Vietnam's Con Dao island when the fishermen were shot on Saturday night, the Binh Dinh provincial search and rescue committee said on its website.

The report was pulled off the website the next day.

The Indonesian navy has yet to comment on the incident.

Disputes over fishing rights and oil drilling have stoked tension in the South China Sea, through which about $5 trillion in goods is shipped each year.

China claims almost the entire sea, but Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan also have claims.

Although Indonesia says it is not a party to the dispute, it recently renamed the northern reaches of its exclusive economic zone, asserting its own maritime claim.

The coordinates given by the Vietnamese search and rescue committee indicated that the shooting happened close to the area Indonesia now calls the North Natuna Sea.

Indonesia has sunk hundreds of mostly foreign boats caught illegally fishing in its waters since President Joko Widodo launched a crackdown on the poaching of fish in 2014.

Indonesia and Vietnam said in May they would launch a joint investigation after reports that Vietnamese coast guards had tried to forcibly free five fishing boats and their crew detained in waters near Indonesia's Natuna Islands.

Reporting by Mai Nguyen; Additional reporting by Bernadette Christina Munthe in Jakarta; Editing by Catherine Evans
 
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There is no such "historic right" in the international relation. Nor historic sovereignty. Whoever says such thing such as the Chinese should consult a doc to check if their own brain is damaged.

That's right. The vietnamese should get their brains checked based on what you just said.
 
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The monkey keeps telling "China should this" "China should that", man suddenly some Viet starts telling what China has to do as if a Viet is commanding China.
 
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What Will New Russian Tanks Mean for Vietnam’s Military?
A deeper dive into a much-anticipated acquisition.

By Nguyen The Phuong
July 27, 2017

http://thediplomat.com/2017/07/what-will-new-russian-tanks-mean-for-vietnams-military/

After years of rumors and waves of expectations, it has finally been confirmed that Vietnam is going to acquire a total of 64 T-90 main-battle tanks from Russia in two variants: the export version T-90S and the commanding version T-90SK. This move officially marks the biggest modernization effort of the Vietnam’s army since the end of the Vietnam War and it is expected to help enhance the force’s capabilities and combat readiness.

Information about new arms acquisitions in Vietnam is hard to track and verify. In the case of the T-90s, there have been rumors over the past years in several defense-related blogs and newspapers regarding the possibility for the Vietnam People’s Ground Forces (VPGF) to obtain the new tanks.

These rumors were based on various speeches, speculations and statements delivered by Russian defense analysts and contractors. They were also drawn from other developments, including Vietnamese military officials’ compliments on the T-90 tank, the purchase of the KZKT-7248 heavy tank tractor (which was said to be preparation for the arrival of a totally new type of tank), and the confirmation of Uralvagonzavod that Hanoi was in negotiation with them for a contract of the tanks back in 2016. Back in 2015, Colonel General Vo Van Tuan, the Vietnam’s People Army’s chief of staff, had also said that the ground forces will become the next focus of defense modernization.

For defense observers, rumors can be either an indicator of possible new contracts or merely a distraction, especially in countries lacking transparent acquisition procedures. Fortunately, the rumors relating to T-90s in Vietnam ended up taking the form of the former. At the sidelines of MAKS 2017 in the outskirts of Moscow, the head of Russian arm exporter Rosoboronexport, Alexander Mikheev, officially confirmed that Vietnam would receive the new tanks with the aid of Russian export credit. Earlier, on July 4, Uralvagonzavod published the final report on its activities for 2016, in which Vietnam was included with the 64 T-90 tanks (though the report was subsequently removed from the company’s website).

As mentioned earlier, this contract would be the biggest effort to modernize the VPGF in decades. Since 2009, the other two branches of the military, the Air Force and the Navy, have been catching the eye of most defense analysts because of their rapid modernization and upgrades. This is the result of rising security uncertainties and the potential for conflict in the maritime domain surrounding the country.

In contrast, the VPGF’s modernization has been late and slow-paced. That stems from two main rationales: (1) low threat perceptions – or, more specifically, little worry that there would be an imminent invasion or large-scaled border incursion from either the northern border with China or the southwestern border with Cambodia and; (2) the lack of resources for comprehensive modernization that could benefit all major branches of the military.

The decision to purchase a whole new batch of T-90 main battle tanks, considered one of the most modern third-generation tanks currently being commissioned, is definitely based on careful consideration of the VPGF’s means and ends, and its doctrine more generally. The principle of this doctrine, in essence, is to construct a modern and powerful armored force capable of maneuvering within various formations of integrated tactical offensive or defensive missions. But first, this armored force has to be able to survive any surgical or preemptive strikes from potential enemies.

Modern warfare, especially from the First Gulf War on, has been largely characterized by advanced technologies and the skillful command and control of an integrated force, where each component of that force is tasked with different but coordinated tactical and strategic missions. As illustrated in Afghanistan and Iraq, the attackers – in this case, Coalition forces led by the United States – usually possess more formidable and deadly firepower, with the deployment of highly advanced long-range missiles, a sophisticated C4ISR network and a nearly invincible and overwhelming air force. In general, speed, accuracy, lethality and efficient of weapons have been drastically increased.

Supported by destructive long-range surgical strikes, enemy armored forces gathering not too far from the border or from the battlefield could be quickly called into battle through airlifts, trains, or amphibious ships. These forces, which normally comprise hundreds of tanks, armored vehicles, and self-propelled artillery platforms put into an integrated formation with air power and are supported by both short-range and medium-range artillery firepower, can easily break through any defensive lines. They then become major offensive strike forces, with high mobility, continuing to fulfill other tactical tasks such as occupying important towns and cities and creating defensive strongholds. These kinds of campaign often last from several days to around three months.

With that scenario in mind, the VPGF considers anti-tank warfare part of a bigger and more comprehensive asymmetric defensive plan scheme, in which using tanks versus tanks is one essential tactical component (besides others like long-rang anti-tank firepower, anti-tank mines and other man-portable anti-tank systems).

It is worth noting that this “tanks versus tanks” notion is not similar to that from the World War II era where large-scaled battle including thousands of tanks alone facing each other in a single battle (like the famous Battles of Kursk in 1943, for example). Because most of the Vietnamese tanks currently in service are old and back from the Vietnam War era, a common tactic would be relying on terrain (three-quarters of Vietnam’s topography is mountainous covered by tropical forests) to launch ambushes when enemies are maneuvering or preparing to attack. According to one estimate often cited by Vietnamese defense experts, tanks and other self-propelled artillery platforms in close-ranged combat would help cover 20 percent of all anti-tank missions in the battlefield.

Moreover, experiences from the two Gulf Wars show that tanks and other armored units have to be protected by strong anti-air regiments by either coordinating with the Air Force or by using portable anti-air missiles (the VPGF has not created its own branch of air-defense but coordinated with the Vietnam’s People Air Force to include air-defense regiments in the battle formations).

The purchase of 64 T-90 main battle tanks in two different variants serves to offset several weaknesses that have affected the VPGF’s tank force for years. For the first time in history, the VPGF will have in its service a third generation type of tank that is truly embedded with a high level of technology suitable for modern warfare. Older type of tanks, whether it be the legendary T-54/55 or the T-62 which are currently the most modern tanks in the VPGF service, were created for warfare in old era when smart weapons and precision strikes were merely the stuff of fiction fiction.

In contrast, the T-90 main battle tank possesses better firepower including night-time targeting capabilities, an upgraded fire control system, and laser rangefinder/designator allowing gunners and commanders to detect targets beyond the range of their weapons, and enhanced survivability through a triad of defense measures to stay alive in combat.

Furthermore, the credibility of T-90 main battle tanks has, to a certain degree, been proved through their performance in Syria, even though those missions are admittedly mostly concentrated on counter-insurgency rather than fighting in an asymmetrical scenario against a bigger army. All of the above-mentioned qualities are critical for a tank force trying to match the requirements of modern warfare as stipulated under the VPGF’s unique doctrine of asymmetrical warfare.

Nonetheless, there are still hurdles ahead. While a batch of 64 tanks is enough to upgrade a single tank regiment, the VPGF has a dozen of tank brigades spreading across the country. This contract reflects a cautious approach of the military in acquiring new equipment given a limited defense budget (although the price per unit is cheap compared to other types of tank from some Western countries or from Japan).

In the near future, the VPGF will still be utilizing a mixed of modern and old tanks in combat by extending the service and upgrading the old T-54/55 and T-62 tanks (there are several upgrading programs currently underway to enhance the survivability, lethality, and mobility of the old tanks). More effort will be needed to fit the new acquisition with the overall doctrine, as many parts of it have to be realized through the concrete and coherent combination of training and receiving more and more modern weapons.

In that sense, the new T-90 contract can be seen as the first step of a long but steady modernization trajectory that will have deep implications on not only the tank force but also the whole VPGF itself.

Nguyen The Phuong is an associate researcher from the Saigon Center for International Studies (SCIS) in Vietnam.
 
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The monkey keeps telling "China should this" "China should that", man suddenly some Viet starts telling what China has to do as if a Viet is commanding China.

Knowing is half the battle. Ima make china my bitch.
 
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