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There is indeed something going on.
General Lt. Nguyen chi Vinh is for a 3 day visit to England. Vinh is the strategic head of Vietnam armed forces.

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The Great Game: Is Britain playing both sides in China-Vietnam standoff?

https://www.rt.com/uk/358823-vietnam-south-china-sea/

Just a day after the UK pledged to bolster its support for Vietnam, the British government has promised China almost identical defense cooperation – despite the fact that the two Asian nations are teetering on the edge of a potential armed standoff.

Defence Secretary Michael Fallon met with his Chinese counterpart, Chang Wanquan, in London on Thursday on the sidelines of an international conference on UN peacekeeping.

Hours earlier, it was reported that a similar agreement had been reached with military officials from China’s fierce local rival, Vietnam.
China reportedly said it would like to deepen ties with Britain and increase military exchanges – almost identical pledges to those made between Ministry of Defence (MoD) minister Earl Howe and Vietnam’s Deputy Defense Minister Nguyen Chi Vinh just prior to the conference.

We should make our military relations a critical growth pole for our bilateral relations,” Chang told Fallon, according to the Xinhua news agency.
 
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Looks like the UK wants to play Switzerland and profit from wars. There will come a time when these people will have to answer for their transgression.
 
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Dangerous time ahead!

China’s Non-Peaceful Rise Already in Play?
China may view a divisive US election as an opportunity to control contested features in the South China Sea

http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2016/09/09/chinas_non-peaceful_rise_already_in_play.html


WASHINGTON: The People’s Republic of China is headed on a tragic trajectory that should be familiar to anyone with even cursory exposure to history. Due to a complex composition of factors – a century of torment at the hands of western powers and Japan as well as a toxic brew of nationalism – the PRC is not content with its place as the world’s second largest economy, or even largest when usingpurchasing-parity power, or PPP, as the benchmark. Nor is China happy with its standing as the planet’s second largest military armed with advanced weapons like“carrier-killer” missiles, a budding hypersonic weapons program and other top-tier offensive platforms. Beijing doesn’t even seem to regard its undertaking of major initiatives like the “One Belt, One Road” project and the Asian Infrastructure and Investment Bank as signs of its rise to global superpower stature.

No, Beijing wants more, and could soon seek to transform the status-quo in Asia, especially in the South China Sea, in its favor. Indeed, recent reports suggest that Beijing’s surge for hegemony might be around the corner, as its leaders take advantage of a window of opportunity during the final weeks of the US presidential election as America’s gaze turns inward.

Many Asia specialists argued that China would boldly push forward in some aggressive manner after losing in the Hague to the Philippines over Manila’s challenge of Beijing’s claims in the South China Sea. However, China has bided its time, despite some reckless statements, provocative photo-ops including “bomber selfies” over the area and a Global Times July editorial that called Australia a "paper cat," threatening “If Australia steps into the South China Sea waters, it will be an ideal target for China to warn and strike.”

Indeed, any rising great power embracing the most basic elements of strategy must pick the most opportune

A rising great power embracing basic elements of strategy must pick the most opportune time to seize initiative.
time to seize an initiative, something not lost on Chinese military strategists and senior Communist Party officials. Any escalatory move after the Hague ruling would have been a strategic mistake. Beijing had committed to host the G20 summit slated to start seven weeks after the ruling, and the United States would soon be largely sidelined thanks to one of the most divisive presidential elections in its history. China, by waiting just a few weeks, would be in the best position in years to undertake any number of bold actions in South China Sea, ensuring its dominance over what it refers to as its own sovereign territory.

Senior officials at the Pentagon and a top diplomat representing an ASEAN nation in Washington have confided that Asia experts anticipate a Chinese move in the South China Sea that could escalate tensions, due to the circumstances and timing.

“If China is going to strike in the South China Sea, mid-September right until the November presidential election could not be a better time,” explained a senior US Department of Defense official who agreed to be interviewed if not identified. Or, put a different way by another US defense official, again speaking on background, explained: “Beijing’s best window to take advantage of certain trend lines and cement its claims in the South China Sea is right after the G20. American newspapers won’t give front-page status to a China story during the heart of the election, well, unless they start shooting, and they won’t be that stupid. For Beijing, the timing is perfect.”

Such analysis is not limited to American military circles, and a senior ASEAN nation diplomat holds almost an identical view. “China is ready to cast off any illusions of a peaceful rise. Having worked with Chinese diplomats in Asia and here in Washington for decades now, Beijing seems ready to remove any hidden aspirations of what it really wants: to dominate the South China Sea.” President Obama has warned "there will be consequences," but the senior diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity, continued: “China seems poised to make a serious move to solidify its hold on the South China Sea after the G20. Why wouldn’t it? America is obsessed with its elections. And if [US President Barack] Obama would not even enforce a ‘red line’ when Assad was killing his own people with chemical weapons, ASEAN nations know he won’t come to our aid over some rocks – as many in the media will surely spin in – when his time in office is almost up.”

Beginning the morning of September 3, global media began quoting extensively from a piece in The New York Times indicating Beijing massed vessels around Scarborough Shoal, claimed by China, the Philippines and Taiwan each. The controversial move is one of a long stream of Chinese aggressions in recent years. Reports indicated that troop ships as well as barges – which could be utilized for dredging, the first steps in turning rocks into islands and islands into military bases, a play China has utilized in the past in the South China Sea – were less than 2 kilometers from the shoal.

Making matters worse, and handing China even greater incentive to begin reclamation efforts, was what can be best described as an untimely comment by Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte, who threatened to insult President Obama during a proposed meeting at the East Asia Summit if he raised human rights issues. With Washington and Manila at odds, Duterte gave Beijing a golden opportunity to push forward, cementing its grasp on Scarborough.

While relations between the United States and the Philippines, at least in the short term, are strained, Manila has every incentive to work with Washington to ensure that Beijing does not begin reclamation work at Scarborough Shoal. As a first step towards such an effort, in a move to attempt to deter and prevent Chinese action, President Obama should voice his opposition, in no uncertain terms, that any attempt to seize Scarborough would constitute a challenge to the peace and stability of Asia and would force Washington to rethink many areas of cooperation with Beijing. These could include future participation in RIMPAC and a pause in bilateral investment treaty negotiations.

At the same time, the trend lines in the South China Sea suggest that China can increase its military might in the region dramatically for months and years to come thanks to its new island bases. The United States must actively begin crafting a strategy for if Beijing does move forward on reclamation with the goal of negating China’s growing military muscle. Options could include rotational or permanent US naval assets, especially attack submarines, in Cam Ranh Bay in Vietnam and a permanent naval presence, including an aircraft carrier battle group, once again in the former US naval base at Subic Bay in the Philippines, about 200 kilometers east from Scarborough Shoal. No matter what plan of action is adopted, the goal must be to reinforce America’s critical alliances and strategic partnerships as well as ensure that the South China Sea will remain a part of the global commons – a body of water all nations have the sacred right to utilize.

Harry J. Kazianis serves as the new director of Defense Studies at the Center for the National Interest, formerly the Nixon Center. He is the author of The Tao of A2/AD: China’s Rationale for the Creation of Anti-Access and editor and co-author of the report Tackling Asia’s Greatest Challenges: A U.S.-Japan-Vietnam Trilateral Report.
 
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The FM didn't say Vietnam would accept the PCA ruling either, am I right? We're welcome the ruling, but we don't and won't response to the verdict. Vietnamese FM won't straight up deny the ruling, but given its condition and verdict, do you seriously think that Vietnam would accept that?

I never said the FM said it accept the PCA ruling, just that it “welcomed” the ruling. You were the one that specifically said VN “didn’t accept the ruling”, which VN has never said and you couldn’t find the reference for.

VN has now found itself in what I would call, an “optimal position”, which is to have the UNCLOS-sanctioned tribunal rule that China’s SCS 9 dash line claim as illegal/invalid but at the same time not to have the Tribunal to mention or rule on VN’s own claim. In the past, it always look impossible that VN could make this position possible because if VN brings China to court, it will inevitably judge VN’s own claim too. That’s why VN was always reluctant to bring the SCS issue to court. But by luck, VN now already found itself in the mentioned optimal position thanks to the PH-CN feud, whereby the tribunal officially ruled China’s claims as illegal but at the same time not ruling or mentioning VN’s own claim at all. VN now got what it always wanted and didn’t even have to do any work, all thanks to Chinese aggression and diplomatic blunder. That is why VN, even before the case concluded, officially supported the Philippines position that the tribunal do have Jurisdiction and sent an official note to the tribunal to acknowledge that, and not to mention the FM official statement that “VN welcomed the ruling” after the tribunal issued it. And it is also why VN did not say that “we don’t accept the ruling”, because that would just deny the optimal position that VN wanted to be in. Russia’s public statement that the PCA ruling was not valid, is in direct contradiction to Vietnam’s statement and ruins the optimal position that Vietnam had always wanted.

You can keep talking in denial mode about Russia’s contradictory stance vis-a-vis Vietnam’s own stance and try to explain it away, but its easy for others to see the contradiction. VN saying Spratly dispute needs to be solved multilaterally and the international community needs to be involved while Russia saying it agree with China that it should be done bilaterally, that non-claimants need to stay out are clearly contradictory yet you still tried to explain it away as “it might” be contradictory. That is just talking in denial mode, not acknowledging reality.

I'm not overreacting at all, I'd like to give more clarification for the triangle relationship. That's all.

Look, I know what your job is, what your role is and why you said the things you said. But you are just digging yourself into bigger mess. You needed to say the things you said as a form of damage-control/face-saving measure for the party but you and your crew are just uncannily and unknowingly digging yourself into bigger mess. You can keep trying to do damage-control and explain away the new realities of the Russia-China dynamics, but the more deeper the Russia-China relations go, the more you try to deny the the new realities, the more desperate and out-of-touch with reality you will sound, and the less people will take you seriously. This is already what have happened to the comcom site, where many people now looked down on that page (I already read what people said about it on Voz and other places). As I said, you are just digging yourself into bigger mess. Like how certain group riled up nationalism towards Hoang sa and Truong sa to get more support for the party, but then that same nationalism caused the mass to demand unacceptabe things from the party which it now has a hard time to deal with. The same nationalism that it promoted, is now causing them troubles. They have uncannily dug themselves into bigger mess. You are following that same pattern.
 
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Exactly. I don't know if it is very difficult to make fire control radar for our Gatling gun, if not it is just half useful. But such a rotating gun on the ground even without radar makes an impressive firepower :cheers:
We have developed an experimetal AESA radar and 2D/3D surveillance radars (VRS-2DM, VRS-M2D, RV-02/03...) are in full production. But I think the fire control radar is pretty different, mostly in the targeting algorithm and integration.

Even the Philippines done smartly with procurement of new frigate.
Ah.... no.

The Philippines will buy weapons from the Korean firms, not a third country. And I see their procurement is way too slow and inefficient. Case in point, the FA-50PHs were purchased without any weapon, not even 20mm ammunition for their guns. Now they are hauling *** to build weapons, but that only come in no sooner than 2018. Even some Filipino admitted they their procurement model is ridiculous.

Why we buy the whole ship with weapon package and not separately? Because that allows us and the manufacturer to rigorously test the ship as a single weapon system, not just a ship with separate weapons attached to it. Also, we simply lack the technology and know-how to fully integrate Western weapons onto Russian ships.

Israel may not be wealthy as the US, but they surely have huge funds for military industrial complex. Same goes to India.

Fine, you made your point. I will not talk about this subject anymore.

But citing responses from Voz - a well-known haven for anti-government people - to judge a page that support nationalism and current government? And "other places" no other than most Facebook military fanpages that themselves once collaborated or straight-up separated from ComCom or simply jealous haters?

That's very funny.
 
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We have developed an experimetal AESA radar and 2D/3D surveillance radars (VRS-2DM, VRS-M2D, RV-02/03...) are in full production. But I think the fire control radar is pretty different, mostly in the targeting algorithm and integration.

Israel may not be wealthy as the US, but they surely have huge funds for military industrial complex. Same goes to India.
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Can you reveal a bit more about our effort on AESA radar? How far are we from the goal deploying the radar on ships?

The Israeli receive money ($3 billions a year) and technical assistance from Washington. If we had such support, maintaining the balance of power would be easier.
 
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Not really a military news but somehow related:

For the first time ever, a giant 70,000 ton cruise ship docks at Cam Ranh bay international port, the new established civil part of the bay. In the past, the bay was usually populated by warships. The new built military part of the bay is capable to host all kind of foreign warships including 110,000 ton aircraft carriers. The civil bay offers everything, from refueling to repair, maintenance and construction.


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I never said the FM said it accept the PCA ruling, just that it “welcomed” the ruling. You were the one that specifically said VN “didn’t accept the ruling”, which VN has never said and you couldn’t find the reference for.

VN has now found itself in what I would call, an “optimal position”, which is to have the UNCLOS-sanctioned tribunal rule that China’s SCS 9 dash line claim as illegal/invalid but at the same time not to have the Tribunal to mention or rule on VN’s own claim. In the past, it always look impossible that VN could make this position possible because if VN brings China to court, it will inevitably judge VN’s own claim too. That’s why VN was always reluctant to bring the SCS issue to court. But by luck, VN now already found itself in the mentioned optimal position thanks to the PH-CN feud, whereby the tribunal officially ruled China’s claims as illegal but at the same time not ruling or mentioning VN’s own claim at all. VN now got what it always wanted and didn’t even have to do any work, all thanks to Chinese aggression and diplomatic blunder. That is why VN, even before the case concluded, officially supported the Philippines position that the tribunal do have Jurisdiction and sent an official note to the tribunal to acknowledge that, and not to mention the FM official statement that “VN welcomed the ruling” after the tribunal issued it. And it is also why VN did not say that “we don’t accept the ruling”, because that would just deny the optimal position that VN wanted to be in. Russia’s public statement that the PCA ruling was not valid, is in direct contradiction to Vietnam’s statement and ruins the optimal position that Vietnam had always wanted.

You can keep talking in denial mode about Russia’s contradictory stance vis-a-vis Vietnam’s own stance and try to explain it away, but its easy for others to see the contradiction. VN saying Spratly dispute needs to be solved multilaterally and the international community needs to be involved while Russia saying it agree with China that it should be done bilaterally, that non-claimants need to stay out are clearly contradictory yet you still tried to explain it away as “it might” be contradictory. That is just talking in denial mode, not acknowledging reality.



Look, I know what your job is, what your role is and why you said the things you said. But you are just digging yourself into bigger mess. You needed to say the things you said as a form of damage-control/face-saving measure for the party but you and your crew are just uncannily and unknowingly digging yourself into bigger mess. You can keep trying to do damage-control and explain away the new realities of the Russia-China dynamics, but the more deeper the Russia-China relations go, the more you try to deny the the new realities, the more desperate and out-of-touch with reality you will sound, and the less people will take you seriously. This is already what have happened to the comcom site, where many people now looked down on that page (I already read what people said about it on Voz and other places). As I said, you are just digging yourself into bigger mess. Like how certain group riled up nationalism towards Hoang sa and Truong sa to get more support for the party, but then that same nationalism caused the mass to demand unacceptabe things from the party which it now has a hard time to deal with. The same nationalism that it promoted, is now causing them troubles. They have uncannily dug themselves into bigger mess. You are following that same pattern.

You totally missing the point about Geopolitics.

After Europe sanctions, Russia unable to sell oil and gas other than China. They can't sell to India.

And Russia can't match the pricing of KSA and Iran.
This situation almost bankrupted Russia. To bypass this situation Russia and Central Asian Republic building NSTC (and not OBOR ) to access warm waters.

And if you still think Russia is in Chinese pocket, then let me tell you some strategic situation.

It was Russia that helped India to transfer all know-how and know-why of SLBM to India under Project Sangarika. It was Russia that transfered all know how and know why of marine reactor to India.

And now Russia going to teach how to build single hull SSN and highly enriched Uranium marine reactor & spherical sonar(from France) to India.

If the situation is like you say, then why Russia doing so ? Arming an Chinese enemy, not so kool for Chinese.

But still Chinese unable to say a single word. The good question you should ask why Russia doing so? Even when all things happened that violated NPT and MTCR.

Here, all the details

JSC Rubin Central Marine Engineering Design Bureau (SKB-18) in St Petereburg

JSC Afrikantov Experimental Design Bureau for Mechanical Engineering (OKBM) Nizhny Novgorod

Izhorsky Zavod, at Kolpino, near St Petersburg & the Nizhny Novgorod Machine-Building Plant

Concern AVRORA Scientific and Production Association JSC in St Petersburg

The Ruskies are coming with a bang!!! The above-mentioned companies have frozen the design of a 4++ generation single-hulled SSN that Russia will be series-producing at the Amursky Yard (formerly shipyard No. 199) at Komosomolsk-na-Amur in the Far east. And this very SSN is most likely to be selected by the IN for series-producing by Larsen & Toubro at Kattupalli. This SSN will use several India-made sub-systems & components already on-board the S-2/Arihant, meaning the 2,500-odd Indian OEMs who are already certified to produce Russia-IPR-owned sub-systems & components will be able to do the same for the SSNs as well, thereby resulting in significant cost-savings. The Integrated PWR will have life of 36 years & will be rated at 45mW Thermal. Submerged displacement of this SSN will be close to 5,000 tonnes. All-electric propulsion system will be used, thereby doing away with clutches, reduction gear & transmission coupling for the propeller. It will be qualified to launched both 533mm torpedoes & BrahMos-NG ASCMs from torpedo-tubes. If the Govt of India later this year inks this landmark deal, then the Russian OEMs will immediately start sending the detailed design drawings done with Dassault's CATIA software CAD software to L & T, which in turn will commence a virtual design of this SSN at its virtual-reality submarine design facility.

In addition, all R & D work has been completed by OKBM on a 175mW Thermal Integrated PWR & all-electric propulsion system that will be offered for the IAC-2 project.
The SSNs will all have lifelong PWRs. No mid-life refueling reqd, meaning they will use HEU enriched up to 65%. Russian fuel cores unlike their Western counterparts do not have pure cores using only 1 type of enrichment, meaning the inner portion of the core has 25% enrichment & an outer portion of the core that is enriched up to 65%. For the S-2/Arihant, it works out to 21% & 45% since the PWR used on the Arihant is a third-generation design & hence after e decade of operations, the fuel core requires replacement. But not so on the SSN.
The SSN has been designed by RUBIN. It will be hydrodynamically more sleeker & will externally resemble the Project 705 Lira Alfa-class SSN. But the new SSN will be lighter & sleeker as it will be single-hulled & it will have far greater automation features. For instance, it will have photonic masts (most probably from THALES) & no periscopes, which in turn eliminates the traditional helmsman, planesman, chief-of-the-watch and diving officer by combining them into two stations manned by only two officers. The 46mW Thermal 4th-generation PWR was tested way back in 2006 by RUBIN & OKBM & has since been considerably refined. It was originally developed to cater to the Russian Navy’s reqmt for a new-generation SSN that will protect the flanks of the Project 955 SSBNs as pure hunter-killers, leaving the Project 885 SSGNs nto focus exclusively on shadowing & targetting hostile carrier battle-groups. For it must be recalled that the former USSR always operated several types of third-generation SSNs, & the most prolific of them were the Project 671 Yorsh, Project 671RT Syomga & Project 671RTM Shchuka SSNs—all of which have been decommissioned & require replacements.
There will be substanti8al military-industrial French inputs into the 6 projected SSNs of the IN, like Sigma-40 RLG-INS, photonic masts, vibration-dampers, VLF comms antenna winches, etc etc. In other words, all the France-origin hardware already on board the S-2/Arihant will also find their way into the SSNs.
There will be only two lines for nuclear-powered submarines: SSBN & SSN. L & T will be prime Indian contractor for both.
 
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Humanitarian Civic Action Mangrove Reforestation. The location is Thailand.

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They need to do a lot of that in Central Vietnam where the local governments cleared the mangrove forest to build resorts. Of course the water will take care of those resorts in due time.
 
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French President Francois Hollande and his Vietnamese counterpart Tran Dai Quang during a welcoming ceremony, Hanoi, Vietnam, Sept. 6, 2016 (AP photo by Hoang Dinh Nan).


As Ties With Vietnam Grow, France Must Tread Carefully With China
Karina Piser Friday, Sept. 9, 2016


On Tuesday, Francois Hollande became the first French president in 12 years to visit Vietnam, a former French colony. Despite their troubled past marked by a nearly decade-long war that ended with France’s military defeat and withdrawal from Vietnam in 1954, relations between Paris and Hanoi have warmed during Hollande’s presidency, part of France’s deepening interest in Southeast Asia and the Asia-Pacific more broadly.

By a number of measures, the visit was a productive one. Vietnam airlines purchased 40 jets from France’s Airbus, totaling $6.5 billion in sales; low-cost private airline VietJet purchased 20 planes, totaling $2.39 billion; a regional budget carrier, Jetstar Pacific, purchased 10. The two countries released a joint statement indicating that they would soon expand cooperation on defense and maritime security, among other areas. ...
 
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You totally missing the point about Geopolitics.

After Europe sanctions, Russia unable to sell oil and gas other than China. They can't sell to India.

Just one correction, Russia continues to sell gas and oil to Europe same as before and is actually going to increase sales since they are building a second pipeline to Germany and it seems like the pipeline to Turkey is going to happen after all. It now also seems like Japan decided to open up to Russia and start investing in Russia and also to buy oil and gas in which case Russia will not depend as much on China.
 
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Hun Sen and Vietnam: Best Friends Forever?
BY BEN PAVIOUR | SEPTEMBER 2, 2016



Last week, Vietnamese Facebook user Bao Lam stopped by Prime Minister Hun Sen’s Facebook page to give him a piece of her mind.

“Cambodia eats the porridge then pisses in the bowl,” she wrote in Vietnamese, using an idiom from her country. “Vietnam has sacrificed both our blood and money to save the Cambodian people from genocide. Now Hun Sen is turning his back on Vietnam.”


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Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang, left, walks with Prime Minister Hun Sen during a 2014 visit to the prime minister’s ‘Peace Palace.’ (Siv Channa/The Cambodia Daily)

“Cambodia will eventually be poisoned and exterminated” by China, she predicted.

Half an hour later, the prime minister responded to the comment, which had received no likes and came from an account that appeared to have been created in April.

“If you or your country has a problem with China, please solve it peacefully,” Mr. Hun Sen, who speaks fluent Vietnamese, wrote in English, apparently referring to Vietnam’s ongoing dispute with its northern neighbor over maritime territory in the South China Sea.

“Do not blame me and do not involve Cambodia to your country’s internal issue. Of course, I am faithful to my nation, my King and my own wife,” he wrote.

The conversation further deteriorated from there, with Ms. Lam saying the prime minister would not be perched in his “high chair” without Vietnamese help.

“May ask if this is your own word or its from [your] leader’s suggestion to attack me?” Mr. Hun Sen retorted.

The vigor of Mr. Hun Sen’s responses—coupled with recent border tensions and simmering disputes over China’s maritime claims—suggest a dip in the government’s relations with its former minders in Hanoi, who installed Mr. Hun Sen’s administration after overthrowing the Khmer Rouge regime in 1979.

But analysts say his public positioning has as much to do with CPP pre-election showmanship as diplomatic maneuvering, even as Cambodia’s increasingly cozy relationship with China could spell longer-term tension.

The prime minister’s spat with Ms. Lam—the latest of several similar exchanges—echoed through the halls of diplomacy.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement on Sunday slamming Vietnamese citizens who “have committed the immoral acts insulting the leader of Cambodia” and asking Hanoi to “punish those people.”

On Wednesday, the Vietnamese government responded by distancing itself from the posts without promising any specific punishment for offending Facebook users.

“We do not agree with using the right of freedom of expression to insult someone or to break up traditionally good sentiment between people of both countries,” it said in a statement.

Meanwhile, officials from the two countries remain at loggerheads over a shared border that the opposition CNRP has long claimed is being pushed west by Vietnamese military and civilian incursions—a position that has won the party significant popular support.

A Joint Border Committee meeting between officials from both countries ended on Tuesday without a statement amid a dispute over “uti possidetis,” the legal principle that countries continue to possess the territory they held at colonial independence.

Vietnam is continuing to build outposts in several “white zones”—undemarcated areas that both countries have agreed to stay out of—along the border and has not responded to diplomatic requests to stop.

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Protesters burn a Vietnamese flag, along with a number of paper replicas of the flag, outside the Vietnamese Embassy in Phnom Penh in 2014. (Siv Channa/The Cambodia Daily)

Opposition lawmakers and activists claim that farmers in border provinces continue to rent land to Vietnamese farmers, a practice that the prime minister banned in November.

Cambodia has also repeatedly refused to join Vietnam and other Asean neighbors in formally rebuking China’s claims in the South China Sea, with many analysts saying that Cambodia’s compliance has been bought by China’s abundant aid. A recent Reuters report on U.S.-China relations described Cambodia as “increasingly seen as a Chinese satellite.”

Government spokesman Phay Siphan, however, said Cambodia and Vietnam remained fast friends.

“Both sides have experience to solve problems since 1979,” Mr. Siphan said. “The neighboring countries always have some differences.”

Carl Thayer, an emeritus professor at the Australian Defense Force Academy in Canberra, said Vietnamese officials knew the difference between the prime minister’s public posturing and more serious backroom diplomacy.

“Vietnam is mature enough to view Hun Sen’s comments on Facebook as driven by domestic concerns, that is, playing on anti-Vietnamese sentiment,” he said in an email.

“I do not think it has resulted in any marked deterioration in state to state relations,” he added.

The prime minister’s social media presence is used to “recoup his image among the youth in Cambodia and to demonstrate that Hun Sen is in control.”


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A row of Cambodian men armed with wooden clubs stand in front of Cambodian soldiers about a kilometer from the Vietnamese border in Svay Rieng province, where they confronted hundreds of activists who were led to the area by a group of opposition lawmakers last year. (Alex Willemyns/The Cambodia Daily)


Political analyst Ou Virak agreed that the Facebook posts and border disputes were not indicative of a foreign relations impasse.

However, “I sense an increase in politicization of the border tension by both political parties,” he said of the CPP and CNRP.

“Growing popular calls for attention to be paid to border issues” have made it “an issue that they can no longer afford to avoid.”

The South China Sea dispute figures less prominently in the public consciousness, Mr. Virak said, and could be used by the CPP to highlight Cambodian independence.

“They’re going to play a semi-nationalist card,” he predicted, pointing to the prime minister’s Facebook comments as part of that trend.

John Ciorciari, a Cambodia scholar and associate professor at the University of Michigan’s Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy, agreed that the Facebook posts were meant for a domestic rather than diplomatic audience, but said the issues raised by the posts were real.

“Hun Sen probably would not have chosen to antagonize Vietnam over the South China Sea absent real Chinese pressure, but his decision to do so reflects a recalibration driven both by domestic political and strategic calculations,” Mr. Ciorciari said in an email.

The prime minister “clearly sees a close relationship with China as his regime’s key international backstop as the CPP’s electoral support wanes. His former patrons in Hanoi lack China’s financial heft and diplomatic clout, and close ties to Vietnam are a domestic vulnerability Cambodia’s opposition leaders are keen to exploit,” he said.

“By siding with China so clearly on the Paracel and Spratly feuds, Hun Sen has made the prospect of a balanced foreign policy more difficult in the future.”

Hanoi resident Do Duc Anh, who went to Mr. Hun Sen’s Facebook page last week to criticize the premier’s stance on the South China Sea, said his post reflected his country’s mood.

“In Vietnam, I think people are very upset,” he said in a Facebook message. They are “disappointed due to Hun Sen’s behavior about [the] South China Sea problem.”

The 21-year-old gaming-website editor said he had no plans to stop badgering Mr. Hun Sen.

“I think I’ll post on his wall if I see something about Vietnam-Cambodia relationship or something else about ASEAN and China,” he said.

paviour@cambodiadaily.com
 
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Just one correction, Russia continues to sell gas and oil to Europe same as before and is actually going to increase sales since they are building a second pipeline to Germany and it seems like the pipeline to Turkey is going to happen after all. It now also seems like Japan decided to open up to Russia and start investing in Russia and also to buy oil and gas in which case Russia will not depend as much on China.
don't forget the bilateral trade between Russia and China, the two brothers, collapsed by 28 percent last year, this year seems to recover a bit, but it is still very little. That shows how little substance is behind all the cheap propaganda and anti west rhetoric. That is why Russia pursues own trade pact with former soviet states, that includes...surprise...Vietnam. The bilateral trade between Vietnam and Russia increases by nearly a third in the first 6 months.
 
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Hun Sen and Vietnam: Best Friends Forever?
BY BEN PAVIOUR | SEPTEMBER 2, 2016



Last week, Vietnamese Facebook user Bao Lam stopped by Prime Minister Hun Sen’s Facebook page to give him a piece of her mind.

“Cambodia eats the porridge then pisses in the bowl,” she wrote in Vietnamese, using an idiom from her country. “Vietnam has sacrificed both our blood and money to save the Cambodian people from genocide. Now Hun Sen is turning his back on Vietnam.”


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Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang, left, walks with Prime Minister Hun Sen during a 2014 visit to the prime minister’s ‘Peace Palace.’ (Siv Channa/The Cambodia Daily)

“Cambodia will eventually be poisoned and exterminated” by China, she predicted.

Half an hour later, the prime minister responded to the comment, which had received no likes and came from an account that appeared to have been created in April.

“If you or your country has a problem with China, please solve it peacefully,” Mr. Hun Sen, who speaks fluent Vietnamese, wrote in English, apparently referring to Vietnam’s ongoing dispute with its northern neighbor over maritime territory in the South China Sea.

“Do not blame me and do not involve Cambodia to your country’s internal issue. Of course, I am faithful to my nation, my King and my own wife,” he wrote.

The conversation further deteriorated from there, with Ms. Lam saying the prime minister would not be perched in his “high chair” without Vietnamese help.

“May ask if this is your own word or its from [your] leader’s suggestion to attack me?” Mr. Hun Sen retorted.

The vigor of Mr. Hun Sen’s responses—coupled with recent border tensions and simmering disputes over China’s maritime claims—suggest a dip in the government’s relations with its former minders in Hanoi, who installed Mr. Hun Sen’s administration after overthrowing the Khmer Rouge regime in 1979.

But analysts say his public positioning has as much to do with CPP pre-election showmanship as diplomatic maneuvering, even as Cambodia’s increasingly cozy relationship with China could spell longer-term tension.

The prime minister’s spat with Ms. Lam—the latest of several similar exchanges—echoed through the halls of diplomacy.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement on Sunday slamming Vietnamese citizens who “have committed the immoral acts insulting the leader of Cambodia” and asking Hanoi to “punish those people.”

On Wednesday, the Vietnamese government responded by distancing itself from the posts without promising any specific punishment for offending Facebook users.

“We do not agree with using the right of freedom of expression to insult someone or to break up traditionally good sentiment between people of both countries,” it said in a statement.

Meanwhile, officials from the two countries remain at loggerheads over a shared border that the opposition CNRP has long claimed is being pushed west by Vietnamese military and civilian incursions—a position that has won the party significant popular support.

A Joint Border Committee meeting between officials from both countries ended on Tuesday without a statement amid a dispute over “uti possidetis,” the legal principle that countries continue to possess the territory they held at colonial independence.

Vietnam is continuing to build outposts in several “white zones”—undemarcated areas that both countries have agreed to stay out of—along the border and has not responded to diplomatic requests to stop.

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Protesters burn a Vietnamese flag, along with a number of paper replicas of the flag, outside the Vietnamese Embassy in Phnom Penh in 2014. (Siv Channa/The Cambodia Daily)

Opposition lawmakers and activists claim that farmers in border provinces continue to rent land to Vietnamese farmers, a practice that the prime minister banned in November.

Cambodia has also repeatedly refused to join Vietnam and other Asean neighbors in formally rebuking China’s claims in the South China Sea, with many analysts saying that Cambodia’s compliance has been bought by China’s abundant aid. A recent Reuters report on U.S.-China relations described Cambodia as “increasingly seen as a Chinese satellite.”

Government spokesman Phay Siphan, however, said Cambodia and Vietnam remained fast friends.

“Both sides have experience to solve problems since 1979,” Mr. Siphan said. “The neighboring countries always have some differences.”

Carl Thayer, an emeritus professor at the Australian Defense Force Academy in Canberra, said Vietnamese officials knew the difference between the prime minister’s public posturing and more serious backroom diplomacy.

“Vietnam is mature enough to view Hun Sen’s comments on Facebook as driven by domestic concerns, that is, playing on anti-Vietnamese sentiment,” he said in an email.

“I do not think it has resulted in any marked deterioration in state to state relations,” he added.

The prime minister’s social media presence is used to “recoup his image among the youth in Cambodia and to demonstrate that Hun Sen is in control.”


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A row of Cambodian men armed with wooden clubs stand in front of Cambodian soldiers about a kilometer from the Vietnamese border in Svay Rieng province, where they confronted hundreds of activists who were led to the area by a group of opposition lawmakers last year. (Alex Willemyns/The Cambodia Daily)


Political analyst Ou Virak agreed that the Facebook posts and border disputes were not indicative of a foreign relations impasse.

However, “I sense an increase in politicization of the border tension by both political parties,” he said of the CPP and CNRP.

“Growing popular calls for attention to be paid to border issues” have made it “an issue that they can no longer afford to avoid.”

The South China Sea dispute figures less prominently in the public consciousness, Mr. Virak said, and could be used by the CPP to highlight Cambodian independence.

“They’re going to play a semi-nationalist card,” he predicted, pointing to the prime minister’s Facebook comments as part of that trend.

John Ciorciari, a Cambodia scholar and associate professor at the University of Michigan’s Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy, agreed that the Facebook posts were meant for a domestic rather than diplomatic audience, but said the issues raised by the posts were real.

“Hun Sen probably would not have chosen to antagonize Vietnam over the South China Sea absent real Chinese pressure, but his decision to do so reflects a recalibration driven both by domestic political and strategic calculations,” Mr. Ciorciari said in an email.

The prime minister “clearly sees a close relationship with China as his regime’s key international backstop as the CPP’s electoral support wanes. His former patrons in Hanoi lack China’s financial heft and diplomatic clout, and close ties to Vietnam are a domestic vulnerability Cambodia’s opposition leaders are keen to exploit,” he said.

“By siding with China so clearly on the Paracel and Spratly feuds, Hun Sen has made the prospect of a balanced foreign policy more difficult in the future.”

Hanoi resident Do Duc Anh, who went to Mr. Hun Sen’s Facebook page last week to criticize the premier’s stance on the South China Sea, said his post reflected his country’s mood.

“In Vietnam, I think people are very upset,” he said in a Facebook message. They are “disappointed due to Hun Sen’s behavior about [the] South China Sea problem.”

The 21-year-old gaming-website editor said he had no plans to stop badgering Mr. Hun Sen.

“I think I’ll post on his wall if I see something about Vietnam-Cambodia relationship or something else about ASEAN and China,” he said.

paviour@cambodiadaily.com
i don't like when some Vietnamese express their opinion toward Hunsen on his page even they use Vietnamese instead of English language, Cambodia is an indepentdent nation, they can do anything they want, Hunsen acts for their interests so why did some Vietnamese required him? Nonsense. Hunsen will be ousted by Cambodian , I believe that and it is unchangeable. we should prepare for our future, it is better than complaint
 
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