Vietnam Defence Forum

[BoQ77]

All of the solutions that you mentioned is like an ugly woman who puts on some makeup to make her look less uglier, it does not make her a pretty woman.

You need to understand the viet military doctrine. They are not allowed to shoot back at the Chinese no matter what. The viet already dig their own grave by not having the balls to do preempt strike.

If war breaks out, it is the Chinese who will do preempt strike. 72 Chinese jets and 9 bombers on their artificial islands will bombard the viet garrison to smithereen before the viet can react and launch any counter attack on the artificial islands' runways.

How can Vietnam relieve a Chinese naval blockade in the spratly? Vn has no solution. Vietnam only has 30 something sukhoi planes for anti-shipping mode to attack the Chinese navy. Those 30 something viet planes have no chance against the air defense destroyers, Chinese jets deployed on the spratlys and from the woody islands.

With the viet airforce is done, what is left is the viet navy comprised of missile boats and submarines; those assets are more of a laughing matter than their air force. viet navy's assets are sitting ducks ready to be hunted down by Chinese anti-ship missiles launched from jets and bombers. Their missile boats might as well stay home then go into battle. Same thing with their submarines. Those submarines have no chance against a Chinese armada of subhunters. Submarine warfare is one of the most sophisticated art of warfare and mind you the Chinese have been doing submarine training for years while the viet's experience with submarine have only been in the last few years. Please don't tell me the viet is at least on par with the Chinese in term of submarine warfare.

Meanwhile, the Chinese can bombard the viet garrison on the spratly by launching ballistic missiles and land attack cruise missiles. The spratly's real estate is extremely small; there is no where to hide. the viet garrison on the spratly either all die or surrender; no other option. Simply put, the viet military do not have the quantitative or qualitative edge over the Chinese. Not a single soul (except those die hard ho chi minh youths) believes the viet has a chance against the Chinese in a war over the spratly.

Do you mean artificial islands are one-time-use airports ?
to fuel many aircrafts and ships, China also need to stock much of fuel and ammunitions, bombs there.
That looks great as targets.

Will you anchor 3 of your aircraft carriers 90-100kms away from shoreline of a hostile country when you plan to attack them?

 

[cochine]

 

[Silent Knight]

I wish he continue his idea of F-35.
But in another thread, I saw him to praise for the loss of Vietnam.
So now I consider him as "Khua"

Ah nope, just a salty butthurt RVN resident.

These people would rather see Vietnam under Chinese control than actually fighting with the communist government, unlike most of their fellowmen who fought under VPA flag during Sino-Vietnam war and Cambodian war.

 

[xiao qi]

Ah nope, just a salty butthurt RVN resident.

These people would rather see Vietnam under Chinese control than actually fighting with the communist government, unlike most of their fellowmen who fought under VPA flag during Sino-Vietnam war and Cambodian war.

I doubt he isn't a Vietnamese if he is, he bangs his father's foot and his compatriots

 

[BoQ77]

 

[Aqsuperman]

Pfff i come back thinking i may see something worthwhile and the weasel just dodge to another subject. First he claim RVN can protect the islands if he has to fight only 1 "front" then jump to the whole new idea that "Hey its too far, its inevitable". And conveniently left open the answer about the F-5 and US involvement in that whole ordeal. And since he like to talk about how awesome the Thailand Armed Forces are let ask him some name and number instead of some cool uniform and parade picture

What is the most numerous tanks in the Thailand army and its conditions
What is their primary ATGM in service and its variant.
What is the most advanced air defense system Thailand got

I bet he cant even mumble the answers instead of posting wild pictures since he dont know crap about equipment and all he know are crappy PR picture instead of a careful looks. This guy witness one of the most easy to define stab in the back by the US "alliance" and still he believe its will work this time.

And 1 funny thing is that he dare declare this is international forum and not a VN class yet he use political name to call us ? First its VC and now "uneducated cummie" well those must be term you can use around in international forum ? Well next time i will make up a nickname for him as well. Also has "Cum" and "US" in it. Probably "US Cumdump" or "US Shamecum". He will have enough "cum" in his mouth to talk about "cummie" all he want.

 

[hoangsa74]

Pfff i come back thinking i may see something worthwhile and the weasel just dodge to another subject. First he claim RVN can protect the islands if he has to fight only 1 "front" then jump to the whole new idea that "Hey its too far, its inevitable". And conveniently left open the answer about the F-5 and US involvement in that whole ordeal. And since he like to talk about how awesome the Thailand Armed Forces are let ask him some name and number instead of some cool uniform and parade picture

What is the most numerous tanks in the Thailand army and its conditions
What is their primary ATGM in service and its variant.
What is the most advanced air defense system Thailand got

I bet he cant even mumble the answers instead of posting wild pictures since he dont know crap about equipment and all he know are crappy PR picture instead of a careful looks. This guy witness one of the most easy to define stab in the back by the US "alliance" and still he believe its will work this time.

And 1 funny thing is that he dare declare this is international forum and not a VN class yet he use political name to call us ? First its VC and now "uneducated cummie" well those must be term you can use around in international forum ? Well next time i will make up a nickname for him as well. Also has "Cum" and "US" in it. Probably "US Cumdump" or "US Shamecum". He will have enough "cum" in his mouth to talk about "cummie" all he want.

all of your mumbo jumbo comments still do not address how Vietnam can win a against china in the spratly?

 

[Carlosa]

Pfff i come back thinking i may see something worthwhile and the weasel just dodge to another subject. First he claim RVN can protect the islands if he has to fight only 1 "front" then jump to the whole new idea that "Hey its too far, its inevitable". And conveniently left open the answer about the F-5 and US involvement in that whole ordeal. And since he like to talk about how awesome the Thailand Armed Forces are let ask him some name and number instead of some cool uniform and parade picture

What is the most numerous tanks in the Thailand army and its conditions
What is their primary ATGM in service and its variant.
What is the most advanced air defense system Thailand got

I bet he cant even mumble the answers instead of posting wild pictures since he dont know crap about equipment and all he know are crappy PR picture instead of a careful looks. This guy witness one of the most easy to define stab in the back by the US "alliance" and still he believe its will work this time.

And 1 funny thing is that he dare declare this is international forum and not a VN class yet he use political name to call us ? First its VC and now "uneducated cummie" well those must be term you can use around in international forum ? Well next time i will make up a nickname for him as well. Also has "Cum" and "US" in it. Probably "US Cumdump" or "US Shamecum". He will have enough "cum" in his mouth to talk about "cummie" all he want.

I'd like to hear from him how Thailand can win any day. Laughable, he doesn't have a clue. Its useless to try to talk to him. He left his brains in south Vietnam when he fled.

 

[ahojunk]

@Carlosa , @hoangsa74 @Aqsuperman , others,

Please ensure your posts are civil, polite and respectful to each other.

 

[hoangsa74]

@Carlosa , @hoangsa74 @Aqsuperman , others,

Please ensure your posts are civil, polite and respectful to each other.

Mod, please open this thread for further discussion, thanks.

https://defence.pk/threads/battle-of-the-spratlys-vietnam-vs-china.446856/page-2

 

[Viet]

He weigh about 100 pound, maybe?

maybe. I don´t know. as empereur d´annam, he ruled just a part of Vietnam, the central part of the country with Hue as capital, while the French occupied the north and south imposing colonial rule. I don´t think, he was happy during his reign, witnessing Vietnam suffering under the French. the century of humiliation. he died young, aged 40.

in army clothing as supreme commander of the Armed Forces

in his office

 

[Viet]

Khải Định. his final resting place, a tomb at the outskirt of the imperial city of Hue
not in a good shape. I hope the officials spend more money and resources to renovate the tomb.

 

[gambit]

I only can say,
If purely based on history.

US is not some holier than thou. US not came to save Vietnam or protecting human rights. They never gave shit about "Nam" or about the people living in Vietnam. @gambit You seriously trying to portray US as some holier than thou. People need to accept US was serving self interest in height of cold war, when almost Berlin was invaded by USSR.

They saw things clearly, they had very few powers in asia allied with US, and most of them tilted toward USSR. Even all the big powers of asia. So they need Vietnam at any cost. Even there motto was clear "Stop Communism".

But I still say those were cold war days, and people now need to let it go.

Explain to me how does making the US not so 'holier than thou' helps Viet Nam ?

People saw nothing wrong with North Viet Nam got into alliances with communist China and the Soviet Union. But getting involve with the US ? Oh my God...!!! The horrors...!!!

 

[xiao qi]

maybe. I don´t know. as empereur d´annam, he ruled just a part of Vietnam, the central part of the country with Hue as capital, while the French occupied the north and south imposing colonial rule. I don´t think, he was happy during his reign, witnessing Vietnam suffering under the French. the century of humiliation. he died young, aged 40.

in army clothing as supreme commander of the Armed Forces

in his office

He was found to become a puppet for France and served all the law France gives, he liked for his seat , Contrast his father or uncle: Thanh Thai, Duy Tan.. Thanh Thai king was intelligent also a patriot, He wants to change our country like Japan did.France realised that, and they thought they can't control him, so they arrested and forced him to leave his country. KhaiDinh's temper is similar with one member on PDF

 

[BoQ77]

During the trip to US in 2013
Bac @gambit : can you help to talk about the equipments introduced to Vietnam by US.
Stryker vehicle and C17?

What could Vietnam buy from US?