Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

Strong equipment and having a lot of weapons but crappy tactics equals losing the battle.

And not even talk about crappy training and a lot of corruption in the military where officers buy their promotions. Most Chinese recruits are of a very bad quality. If they go to war with that........... good luck.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

I think president Jokowe has a different idea.

He's with the PDI they and Rosoboronoexport are in bed together. That's why I don't like Russia. They know they sell crap and can only win by bribing.

 

[Carlosa]

Vietnam wooden boat sunk by the collision with China ship head on. This not China propaganda but report by Vietnam new broadcast post on YouTube.

You have your facts wrong, that fishing vessel was not in the area of the oil rig, it was unrelated to that whole thing, but it was rammed by the chinese vessels anyway.

Again, you read too much chinese propaganda.

He's with the PDI they and Rosoboronoexport are in bed together. That's why I don't like Russia. They know they sell crap and can only win by bribing.

Sure, Russia only sells crap, that's why China wants to get the S-400 and the SU-35 so badly.
Not even talk about the chinese air force depending on Russia for jet engines because they still can't make good engines. The new chinese attack helicopter was designed by Russia at China's request. Russia is also supplying Amur submarines to Russia, but yes, Russian equipment is crap, right?

 

[Carlosa]

Vietnam better increase 50 percent of Vietnam GDP to modernize Vietnam military 7 billions not much be in the arm race with China.

7 billion is not a lot, but its double what it was 3 years ago and increasing fast.

Vietnam makes the money go a long way, unlike China where 20% of the military budget is wasted because of corruption.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Sure, Russia only sells crap, that's why China wants to get the S-400 and the SU-35 so badly.
Not even talk about the chinese air force depending on Russia for jet engines because they still can't make good engines. The new chinese attack helicopter was designed by Russia at China's request. Russia is also supplying Amur submarines to Russia, but yes, Russian equipment is crap, right?

You talking about specific products not entire overall product in comparison with their competitor. What makes you think we start diversifying weapon systems by buying from different store. Just look at India the country been burned by the Russian too many time by supplying it faulty, shoddy weapons & unfair trade deal it even started buying from the US & Israel. Ask the Indian they know more about being burned by the Russian.

Between Russian or Chinese hardware I'll take China. More relaxed trade deal, ToT negotiable & cheaper. Not to mention that Chinese weapons are a lot more innovative & high tech than the Russian do.

 

[William Hung]

VietNamese brothers, do not say anything about Pakistan because of this Zeenar guy. He is just a Chinese pretending to be a Pakistani.

No real Pakistani would normally talk trash about Russia. This Zeenar guy join PDF just to talk trash about VN and Russian weapons. A 50 center no doubt.

 

[NarThoD]

what reashot means, why Indo is switching to Europe/west as her main arms supplier...because their economy is slowing down and they selling their arsenals along with their tech at cheap price. look at South Korea. we just buy 3 subs from them, and they willingly to give us their sub tech. and we buy 103 Leopards for only 280 million.

unlike Russia, they selling us rusted Kilo subs ...which is quite expensive to retrofitted. I suggest Viet to look west after the embargo lifted.

 

[Alvin Edward]

VietNamese brothers, do not say anything about Pakistan because of this Zaneer guy. He is just a Chinese pretending to be a Pakistani.
No real Pakistani would normally talk trash about Russia. This guy join PDF just to talk trash about VN and Russian weapons. A 50 cent no doubt.

That's explain why this guy has so much hatred on Russia and Vietnam.

what reashot means, why Indo is switching to Europe/west as her main arms supplier...because their economy is slowing down and they selling their arsenals along with their tech at cheap price. look at South Korea. we just buy 3 subs from them, and they willingly to give us their sub tech. and we buy 103 Leopards for only 280 million.

unlike Russia, they selling us rusted Kilo subs ...which is quite expensive to retrofitted. I suggest Viet to look west after the embargo lifted.

You may wanna re-check how are your country's relations with Russia, it's the reason why Russia sell you "rusted Kilo subs".

 

[z3ta311]

By the way, Vietnam already deployed T-90 and T-72M1M (a heavily ungraded version of T-72 that is equivalent to the T-90A.

If you guys want a real test of the Type 96, send them against Vietnam and for each one that you send, VN will give you back a truckload of chinese junk metal (free of charge).

only a few words for you: stop m*sturbate please. we have T90 and T72M1M?
what a joke. and you said that they will publish the T90 when the armatas come? where did ya get that from?? comrade commisar???????? i'm dead laughing

 

[Alvin Edward]

You talking about specific products not entire overall product in comparison with their competitor. What makes you think we start diversifying weapon systems by buying from different store. Just look at India the country been burned by the Russian too many time by supplying it faulty, shoddy weapons & unfair trade deal it even started buying from the US & Israel. Ask the Indian they know more about being burned by the Russian.
Between Russian or Chinese hardware I'll take China. More relaxed trade deal, ToT negotiable & cheaper.

Ok then, go shoot couple of shots on your brand new Chinese rifle or drive your new tank or aircraft, then prepare to purchase a second time.

only a few words for you: stop m*sturbate please. we have T90 and T72M1M?
what a joke. and you said that they will publish the T90 when the armatas come? where did ya get that from?? comrade commisar???????? i'm dead laughing

And how did you know that we don't have T-90 MBT or T-72M1M ?

 

[William Hung]

That's explain why this guy has so much hatred on Russia and Vietnam.

Yes, this is a Pakistani defence forum with many interesting threads about the Pakistani military. But the only thing this Zeenar guy posts since he joined PDF is to trash talk about VN and Russia. His real identity is quite clear. A 50 cent'er no doubt.

 

[NarThoD]

You may wanna re-check how are your country's relations with Russia, it's the reason why Russia sell you "rusted Kilo subs".

lol our relations are good and they're poking us after new president inauguriaton. offering their products and stuffs. i understand Russia is the only Viet's friend after Vietnam war.

 

[Carlosa]

what reashot means, why Indo is switching to Europe/west as her main arms supplier...because their economy is slowing down and they selling their arsenals along with their tech at cheap price. look at South Korea. we just buy 3 subs from them, and they willingly to give us their sub tech. and we buy 103 Leopards for only 280 million.

unlike Russia, they selling us rusted Kilo subs ...which is quite expensive to retrofitted. I suggest Viet to look west after the embargo lifted.

You are correct, but everything has to be taken on a case by case basis.

The Kilos offered to Indonesia were second hand and in bad shape, but the ones for Vietnam are brand new and are very good. There are areas where is worth it to buy Russian and other areas where is not. Its best to diversify as India does and VN is also doing some of that. Israel is a big supplier of Vietnam now and the newest ships are European.

 

[z3ta311]

VietNamese brothers, do not say anything about Pakistan because of this Zeenar guy. He is just a Chinese pretending to be a Pakistani.

No real Pakistani would normally talk trash about Russia. This Zeenar guy join PDF just to talk trash about VN and Russian weapons. A 50 center no doubt.

he's a half-breed. half pakistani and half vietnamese.
what's wrong talking trash about russia? are you a russia fanboy or something like that?

 

[Alvin Edward]

e's a half-breed. half pakistani and half vietnamese.
what's wrong talking trash about russia? are you a russia fanboy or something like that?

I don't think that you understand the sentence "No real Pakistani would normally talk trash about Russia"