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[Grand Historian]

Le is Li in Chinese, and Li ethnic is one of BaiYue group (Yue= Viet). China stole the last name Li from Baiyue.

You PDF Vietnamese sure love to distort history.

The ancient Li of Southern China were 俚 not 黎.

According to 中國姓氏辭典 the earliest Li was from a Shang vassal located in modern day Shanxi.
1.After Zhou destroyed Shang,Zhou Wu Waang enfeoffed the purported descendants of Yao to the Li state.
2.Due to the Siniczation edict by Wei Xiaowen Di the Xianbei family of Suli(素黎) changed their surname to Li.

Look up 黎彌且 and 黎頊 they are from Qi and Wei respectively nothing to do with Baiyue.

If anything Vietnamese are copying Chinese surnames not the other way around.

 

[Viet]

He loves Vietnam so much his family fled Vietnam to the US.
You know he has Chinese first and surname.


William Hung made more money in a shorter time span than all you Viets on pdf will ever make.



Why are you posting Chinese born Vietnamese ? His last name is Le, and he was those people the Viets dispised when he fled after VC took power.

They are Vietnamese, you moron. Stop your stupidity.

There are about 5 millions Vietnamese living overseas spreading over 100 countries and territories. Why? Different reasons ranging from politics to economics, but that is not what you should bother about.

Since at least a decade Vietnam is sending over 100,000 to overseas a year to work. That is a trend to go overseas.

Following the Sino-Vietnam confrontation many Chinese Vietnamese went to China. Most of them returned to Vietnam when the war was over as far as I know.

Le and many others are Vietnamese surnames. The person I posted are Vietnamese. They fled Vietnam because of war, but that does not change the love to their homeland.

 

[NiceGuy]

You PDF Vietnamese sure love to distort history.

The ancient Li of Southern China were 俚 not 黎.

According to 中國姓氏辭典 the earliest Li was from a Shang vassal located in modern day Shanxi.
1.After Zhou destroyed Shang,Zhou Wu Waang enfeoffed the purported descendants of Yao to the Li state.
2.Due to the Siniczation edict by Wei Xiaowen Di the Xianbei family of Suli(素黎) changed their surname to Li.

Look up 黎彌且 and 黎頊 they are from Qi and Wei respectively nothing to do with Baiyue.

If anything Vietnamese are copying Chinese surnames not the other way around.

The link I posted is Chinese link, not VNese link. (travelchinaguide.com).

anyway: If what u said is true, then Li group is still belong to Baiyue, and Chinese forced them to change their sur name in order to make Baiyue group sound like Chinese .

So, we didn't copy Le (Li) from China, base on ur history book, u forced us to change our sur name. But bcz China burned all VN history books, so people can not identify ur history book is true or not.

 

[Zeenar]

"Le" is a very common name in Vietnam, like "Lee" in Korea.
I guess "Li" is the Chinese counterpart.

Shanghai is my imaginary hometown like you claim every Vietnamese with "Le" is Chinese.


I know it. I see your flag is VN. Go and ask a Vietnamese.
If you have a chance, pls visit Vietnamese towns in Germany, France, America, Canada, Australia, Thailand or elsewhere, and ask the question.

We all love Vietnam, but not the government.

 

[Grand Historian]

The link I posted is Chinese link, not VNese link. (travelchinaguide.com).

anyway: If what u said is true, then Li group is still belong to Baiyue, and Chinese forced them to change their sur name in order to make Baiyue group sound like Chinese .

So, we didn't copy Le (Li) from China, base on ur history book, u forced us to change our sur name. But bcz China burned all VN history books, so people can not identify ur history book is true or not.

Classical example of moving goal posts,you claimed that Li surname was somehow stolen from the modern day Li people while I pointed out that Li surname existed in China since the Shang and that ancient and modern day Li are different.

Nowhere in your link does it say that the Li surname originated from Baiyue people.

Even the popular surname Nguyen/Ruan was originated from a Shang vassal showing that Vietnamese surnames are not of indigenous Austro Asiatic origin.

Southern China was viewed as a cesspit and a land for exiles and criminals by ancient Huaxia people hardly a land of opportunity.Even by middle Qing Southern China still had large groups of minorities and rebellions.

Systems similar to the Tusi system of the Yuan times already existed earlier which had Siniczed native rulers or descended rulers descended from Han migrants. Southern minorities were generally left alone or driven away instead of being directly assimilated.

Vietnamese and Koreans always love to make the excuse that their history books got burned,Chiense history was destroyed and rewritten multiple times yet Chinese don't make excuses about historical events.

Vietnamese love to make ridiculous claims that they ruled Southern China etc but they don't have anything to back it up except for their myths.

While Chinese use archaeological to show that controversial claims ie Han commanderies in Korea are corroborated by archaeological finds while there is absolutely nothing that supports the existence of the Hung Kings.

 

[Viet]

We all love Vietnam, but not the government.

Yes, like me, I dislike communism, but love my country Vietnam. That is something many Chinese don't understand.

 

[Zeenar]

I prefer the South Vietnamese government.

 

[EastSea]

Classical example of moving goal posts,you claimed that Li surname was somehow stolen from the modern day Li people while I pointed out that Li surname existed in China since the Shang and that ancient and modern day Li are different.

Nowhere in your link does it say that the Li surname originated from Baiyue people.

Even the popular surname Nguyen/Ruan was originated from a Shang vassal showing that Vietnamese surnames are not of indigenous Austro Asiatic origin.

Southern China was viewed as a cesspit and a land for exiles and criminals by ancient Huaxia people hardly a land of opportunity.Even by middle Qing Southern China still had large groups of minorities and rebellions.

Systems similar to the Tusi system of the Yuan times already existed earlier which had Siniczed native rulers or descended rulers descended from Han migrants. Southern minorities were generally left alone or driven away instead of being directly assimilated.

Vietnamese and Koreans always love to make the excuse that their history books got burned,Chiense history was destroyed and rewritten multiple times yet Chinese don't make excuses about historical events.

Vietnamese love to make ridiculous claims that they ruled Southern China etc but they don't have anything to back it up except for their myths.

While Chinese use archaeological to show that controversial claims ie Han commanderies in Korea are corroborated by archaeological finds while there is absolutely nothing that supports the existence of the Hung Kings.

Le (Lê), Lee (Lý) Lao ... is popular surname of Bai Yue people. It is not invented by Han Chinese.

Van Lang of Hung Kings is stated in our history book, written by Vietnamese Historian. We don't care what you say here.

 

[DT1010]

I prefer the South Vietnamese government.

a corrupt, slave-minded government?

 

[Soryu]

Vietnamese PKO in South Sudan:

 

[NiceGuy]

Classical example of moving goal posts,you claimed that Li surname was somehow stolen from the modern day Li people while I pointed out that Li surname existed in China since the Shang and that ancient and modern day Li are different.

Nowhere in your link does it say that the Li surname originated from Baiyue people.

Even the popular surname Nguyen/Ruan was originated from a Shang vassal showing that Vietnamese surnames are not of indigenous Austro Asiatic origin.

Southern China was viewed as a cesspit and a land for exiles and criminals by ancient Huaxia people hardly a land of opportunity.Even by middle Qing Southern China still had large groups of minorities and rebellions.

Systems similar to the Tusi system of the Yuan times already existed earlier which had Siniczed native rulers or descended rulers descended from Han migrants. Southern minorities were generally left alone or driven away instead of being directly assimilated.

Vietnamese and Koreans always love to make the excuse that their history books got burned,Chiense history was destroyed and rewritten multiple times yet Chinese don't make excuses about historical events.



While Chinese use archaeological to show that controversial claims ie Han commanderies in Korea are corroborated by archaeological finds while there is absolutely nothing that supports the existence of the Hung Kings.

Ur history books r full of distortion, and dont have any solid evidence to prove they r absolute correct.

Vietnamese love to make ridiculous claims that they ruled Southern China etc but they don't have anything to back it up except for their myths.

Oh, really ?? Then why China is scared of debating with VN in international court ?? We have full of evidence to prove those islands belong to VN when all China evidence r fake.

Dont try to lie here, we dont wanna waste our time for ur cheap lie. Go to international court and prove it to the World.

 

[NiceGuy]

Today news:

Lời cảnh cáo đanh thép của Việt Nam: Tên lửa đối đất trên tàu ngầm Kilo
Giáo dục Thời đại - 30/06/2014 17:20
Thiết kế nguyên bản của tàu ngầm Kilo 636 không có các loại tên lửa dùng để tiêu diệt các mục tiêu trên đất liền.

Cải tiến của người Nga hay yêu cầu của Việt Nam?

Với quan điểm trang bị vũ khí để bảo vệ chủ quyền đất nước mà không dùng để đe dọa hoặc xâm lược nước khác nên các loại vũ khí Việt Nam mua từ trước đến nay đều chỉ là vũ khí phòng thủ. Tên lửa đối đất dùng để tấn công tiêu diệt các loại mục tiêu trên đất liền không được xem là vũ khí mang tính phòng thủ.

Đối với loại vũ khí này, ngoại lệ duy nhất mà Việt Nam có là tên lửa đất đối đất Scud. Nó được đưa vào trang bị trong hoàn cảnh lịch sử khi Việt Nam và Trung Quốc có những mâu thuẫn sâu sắc, Scud được Việt Nam coi là vũ khí để răn đe tránh một cuộc chiến tương tự như năm 1979.

Tên lửa Scud của Việt Nam

Tên lửa đối đất 3M-14E, tầm bắn 290 km, đầu chiến đấu nặng 400 kg

Tàu ngầm Kilo 636 được Nga ký hợp đồng xuất khẩu cho 7 nước bao gồm Trung Quốc, Ấn Độ, Iran, Ba Lan, Romani, Algeria và Việt Nam. Tàu ngầm Kilo của Việt Nam sẽ được lắp đặt tên lửa hành trình tấn công đối đất 3M-14E loại mới nhất, có tầm bắn 290 km. Loại tên lửa này không được Bộ Quốc phòng Nga phê chuẩn xuất khẩu cho Trung Quốc. Ngoài Việt Nam, hai nước khác được Nga xuất khẩu tên lửa 3M-14E là Ấn Độ và Algeria.

Translate: strong warning to China air base : VN Kilos with 3M-14E missiles for ground attack

The original design of the Kilo 636 submarines without arming missiles to destroy targets on land (sea-to-surface/ sea-to-ground missile). But Vietnam's Russian- built Kilo 636MV submarines are equipped with 3M-14E missiles for ground attack.

The 3M-14E missile, a range of 290 km, warhead weighed 400 kg


The requirement of Vietnam

With a view to arming to defend the country's sovereignty without using or threatening to invade other countries, Weapons that Vietnam has bought are only defensive. The missile used for land attack, or destroy targets on land, is not considered as defensive weapons.

For this viewpoint, the only exception is that Vietnam armed Scud missiles (ground to groumd missile). They are fitted amid the historical context when Vietnam and China have deeply conflicted, Vietnam armed Scud to regard as deterrent weapons to avoid a war similar to 1979.


The Vietnam's Russian built Kilo class submarines are signed to export for 7 countries including China, India, Iran, Poland, Romania, Algeria and Vietnam. Vietnam's Kilo submarines will be installed cruise missiles for land attack with 3M-14E latest type, has a range of 290 km. The missiles are not approved to export to China by the Russian Ministry of Defence. Only 3 countries that Russia exported this missile to are India and Algeria.

It should be noted that the weapons on the Russian Kilo-636 is equipped with the review and requirement of customers. Because of the specific requirements so the price of Vietnam's Kilo Submarines is much higher than China's ones. Thus it can be stated that 3M-14E missiles equipped for Vietnam's Kilo Submarines are the requirement of Vietnam.

The steel punch

In the disputed islands issue in the South China Sea, China falls into a disadvantage in terms of geography, they try to switch weapons facilities near the disputed islands as possible. Instances of this is that China has built a giant military bases in Sanya (Hainan Island), priority is the most modern weapons and facilities. Besides strengthening forces on Woody Island in the Paracel Islands that Chinese invasions of Vietnam, China wants to turn Sanya and Paracel Islands into the place of rallying the Air Force and Navy when conflicts occur.

In this context, Vietnam called to equip itself with the weapons that can stop the Chinese forces in Hainan Island. And the 3M-14E missile, a range of 290 km, 400 kg warhead was chosen. The vessel for carrying this missile is the Kilo 636MV submarine which can reach and launch the steel punches to paralyze the enemy bases. With the lack of support from the Air Force as well as logistics resupply techniques, Chinese forces fighting in the South China Sea will fall into difficult situations.

Then Vietnam will use Air Force aircrafts including the Su-30MK2, Su-30MK2V, Su-27,... and Navy surface ships with submarines sorties from Central Coast aided by anti-aircraft and ground-to-sea missiles (S-300, K-300P Bastion-P, 4K44B Redut, Uran E,...) Vietnam will fully control the South China Sea.

 

[Grand Historian]

How shameless can you Vietnamese trolls be?

Stealing Chinese history and culture must be a norm.

 

[Rechoice]

How shameless can you Vietnamese trolls be?

Stealing Chinese history and culture must be a norm.

Han Chinese stolen wet rice planting technique of Yue people, Han Chinese eaten only dumplings in the past when they were in Middle Terrain in the North China.

Your surname is Wu (吳), It is surname of clan names of Wu Yue people in Zhie Jiang, no Han. Your ancestor is stolen surname from Yue people.

 

[Grand Historian]

Han Chinese stolen wet rice planting technique of Yue people, Han Chinese eaten only dumplings in the past when they were in Middle Terrain in the North China.

Your surname is Wu (吳), It is surname of clan names of Wu Yue people in Zhie Jiang, no Han. Your ancestor is stolen surname from Yue people.

Rice cultivation existed prior to any ethnic identities there are remnants of rice samples found in neolithic Northern Chinese sites.

Wu surname existed prior to the establishment of GouWu,吳起 was a native of Wey which has nothing to with the the GouWu and YuYue.

There are multiple origins for the Wu surname of today.
1.The Ji rulers of GouWu took this name as their own as well as the common people after the demise of the kingdom.
2.The descendants of the Kingdom of Yu(虞) decided to take Wu as their surname.

Rechoice,how many lies are you going to spew out of you forked tongue?