Vietnam Defence Forum

[GrandWorldOrder]

Oh, so the ship wont be used by the navy? Interesting. Our American news networks never specified that the ship was being given to the Vietnamese coast guard, just the country itself. I assumed it was going to be used by the navy in a similiar fashion to what the Filipinos are doing with their Hamilton cutters (classified as frigates).


Off topic, I've been up near a Hamilton before. If that's going to be the largest ship in the coast guard, than damn...the Hamilton's are not that impressive when you see them in person. Then again, I live in San Diego where the huge American naval base and shipyards are, so I'm constantly seeing new large warships being made.

I dont think copying the ship design is beneficial - the Hamilton cutters are so old they even engaged during the civil war. It would be interesting to see them reverse engineer some technology though.

 

[Carlosa]

Trump invites Vietnam's prime minister to visit US
By Reuters/My Pham April 21, 2017 | 02:13 pm GMT+7

US President Donald Trump holds a news conference at the White House. Photo by Reuters/Aaron P. Bernstein
The two governments have expressed desire to further promote ties and strengthen their relationship since Trump's election win last November.
U.S. President Donald Trump has invited Vietnam's Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc to visit the United States, Vietnamese government said on its website on Friday.

Vietnam took ties with the U.S. to a new level under former President Barack Obama, keen for the U.S. to maintain its security presence in Asia in the face of territorial claims by giant neighbour China.

The two governments have expressed desire to further promote ties and strengthen their relationship since Trump's election win last November.

U.S. national security adviser H.R. McMaster has delivered a letter of invitation from Trump to Vietnam's Deputy Prime Minister Pham Binh Minh, now on a visit to the U.S., the government added.

Last month, Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc also said he was ready to visit the U.S. to promote ties between the two countries.

Trump will attend the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Vietnam in November.

Vietnam had been one of the top potential beneficiaries of the Trans Pacific Partnership free trade agreement canceled by Trump, but it has also been building links to the U.S. amid a maritime dispute with China.

China claims most of the South China Sea, which Vietnam calls the East Sea, while Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam claim parts of the sea, which commands strategic sea lanes and has rich fishing grounds, along with oil and gas deposits.

Washington lifted a U.S. lethal arms embargo on Vietnam last May, allowing closer defense links and some joint military exercises.

Oh, so the ship wont be used by the navy? Interesting. Our American news networks never specified that the ship was being given to the Vietnamese coast guard, just the country itself. I assumed it was going to be used by the navy in a similiar fashion to what the Filipinos are doing with their Hamilton cutters (classified as frigates).


Off topic, I've been up near a Hamilton before. If that's going to be the largest ship in the coast guard, than damn...the Hamilton's are not that impressive when you see them in person. Then again, I live in San Diego where the huge American naval base and shipyards are, so I'm constantly seeing new large warships being made.

I dont think copying the ship design is beneficial - the Hamilton cutters are so old they even engaged during the civil war. It would be interesting to see them reverse engineer some technology though.

Definitely for the coast guard. The ship will probably be refitted with water hoses and other toys that can be useful to play water games with the chinese. The fact that is large is actually the most important element for Vietnam since they only have a few large ships and they are only 90 meters long so at 115 m long, the Hamilton will be very useful when it comes to ramming chinese ships.

 

[Viet]

Oh, so the ship wont be used by the navy? Interesting. Our American news networks never specified that the ship was being given to the Vietnamese coast guard, just the country itself. I assumed it was going to be used by the navy in a similiar fashion to what the Filipinos are doing with their Hamilton cutters (classified as frigates).


Off topic, I've been up near a Hamilton before. If that's going to be the largest ship in the coast guard, than damn...the Hamilton's are not that impressive when you see them in person. Then again, I live in San Diego where the huge American naval base and shipyards are, so I'm constantly seeing new large warships being made.

I dont think copying the ship design is beneficial - the Hamilton cutters are so old they even engaged during the civil war. It would be interesting to see them reverse engineer some technology though.

I have been to San Diego some time ago. Very nice city with a sizeable ethnic vietnamese population.

Reverse engineering the Hamilton is a way to go. Vietnam warship building industry is very weak. The number of surface combat ships is very limited. Considering the threat we are facing right now the situation for Vietnam is very precarious. we can produce 510 ton missile guided Molniya class corvette in license, but can't build frigate nor destroyer. Foreign assistance is necessary if not a wonder to build a powerful naval force with Vietnam made frigates and destroyers. We can't do alone I am afraid.

 

[Aqsuperman]

Oh, so the ship wont be used by the navy? Interesting. Our American news networks never specified that the ship was being given to the Vietnamese coast guard, just the country itself. I assumed it was going to be used by the navy in a similiar fashion to what the Filipinos are doing with their Hamilton cutters (classified as frigates).


Off topic, I've been up near a Hamilton before. If that's going to be the largest ship in the coast guard, than damn...the Hamilton's are not that impressive when you see them in person. Then again, I live in San Diego where the huge American naval base and shipyards are, so I'm constantly seeing new large warships being made.

I dont think copying the ship design is beneficial - the Hamilton cutters are so old they even engaged during the civil war. It would be interesting to see them reverse engineer some technology though.

Well the Philippine Navy didnt have a lot of ship, in fact i think their navy is pretty much a Coast Guard service at best, and that is why the Hamilton is pressed into service of the military. In the Vietnam case, we already have missile armed ships so why take in a 3000 tons ship that only got firepower of a gunboat ? So the only logical choice is to give them to the Coast Guard after adding some modifications to better suit the environment and conditions here.

Reverse engineering the Hamilton is a way to go. Vietnam warship building industry is very weak. The number of surface combat ships is very limited. Considering the threat we are facing right now the situation for Vietnam is very precarious. we can produce 510 ton missile guided Molniya class corvette in license, but can't build frigate nor destroyer. Foreign assistance is necessary if not a wonder to build a powerful naval force with Vietnam made frigates and destroyers. We can't do alone I am afraid.

In my opinion, this is probably more of a political gesture than a military transaction. We should spend our money on the DN4000 project with modern specs than concentrating resource on a outdated hull ( This ship was deployed since the 70s, i think )

 

[Viet]

In my opinion, this is probably more of a political gesture than a military transaction. We should spend our money on the DN4000 project with modern specs than concentrating resource on a outdated hull ( This ship was deployed since the 70s, i think )

it is better than nothing. and most importantly the US now officially considers Vietnam as a friendly nation. any idea when the 4,000 ton come to life? it must be twice bigger than the current 2,000+ ton.

 

[jhungary]

I have been to San Diego some time ago. Very nice city with a sizeable ethnic vietnamese population.

Reverse engineering the Hamilton is a way to go. Vietnam warship building industry is very weak. The number of surface combat ships is very limited. Considering the threat we are facing right now the situation for Vietnam is very precarious. we can produce 510 ton missile guided Molniya class corvette in license, but can't build frigate nor destroyer. Foreign assistance is necessary if not a wonder to build a powerful naval force with Vietnam made frigates and destroyers. We can't do alone I am afraid.

Actually, depends on how Vietnam want to use the ship, Hamilton Class cutter can be use as anti-ship frigate role with CIWS and Quad pack Harpoon OTS Missile

USCGS Mellon with 8 Harpoon Launcher on foredeck

The USCG have ran some experiment on the Hamilton Class cutter in the 90s. Hamilton Class cutter offer a very rigid hull with strong bulkhead space, and it can be adapted into firing missile on their deck.

Of course I would not imagine the Vietnamese to put Harpoon on it but if the Vietnamese Navy is creative, they can, and the ship will have space to put offensive weaponry on it. Subject to upgrade cost.

 

[Carlosa]

Actually, depends on how Vietnam want to use the ship, Hamilton Class cutter can be use as anti-ship frigate role with CIWS and Quad pack Harpoon OTS Missile

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USCGS Mellon with 8 Harpoon Launcher on foredeck

The USCG have ran some experiment on the Hamilton Class cutter in the 90s. Hamilton Class cutter offer a very rigid hull with strong bulkhead space, and it can be adapted into firing missile on their deck.

Of course I would not imagine the Vietnamese to put Harpoon on it but if the Vietnamese Navy is creative, they can, and the ship will have space to put offensive weaponry on it. Subject to upgrade cost.

Very true, here is a picture of what the PH Navy had considered for the Hamilton as a fully armed frigate:

 

[Viet]

Actually, depends on how Vietnam want to use the ship, Hamilton Class cutter can be use as anti-ship frigate role with CIWS and Quad pack Harpoon OTS Missile

View attachment 392112

USCGS Mellon with 8 Harpoon Launcher on foredeck

The USCG have ran some experiment on the Hamilton Class cutter in the 90s. Hamilton Class cutter offer a very rigid hull with strong bulkhead space, and it can be adapted into firing missile on their deck.

Of course I would not imagine the Vietnamese to put Harpoon on it but if the Vietnamese Navy is creative, they can, and the ship will have space to put offensive weaponry on it. Subject to upgrade cost.

It's not worth to do all of the possible efforts. It is just a ship. Yes why not We can put Kh-35 antiship missiles on it if every ship matters.

 

[Viet]

Washington

Vietnam FM Minh meets US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and other members of the US government. It is remarkable to note that both sides have come together in very early stage, in the first year, in contrast to former US administrations. Minh is informed of the visit of Donald Trump to Vietnam and the invitation to Vietnam PM to the White House.

New Zealand

To go or not to go? New Zealand with the backing of Australia and Singapore wants TPP to go ahead with Japan as leader after the US withdraws from the pact. From the news Japan appears willing to lead the group. The question is whether or not Vietnam and Malaysia will accept Japanese leadership role. I think we are ok with Japan but will demand additional benefits. The 11 trade ministers of the bloc will meet in Hanoi in May and expectedly make the decision.

JOHN HAWKINS/FAIRFAX NZ New Zealand's Trade Minister Todd McClay

 

[Aqsuperman]

The usage and storage of US-made equipment in the VPA

The large stockpile of captured ARVN equipment and ammunition in 1975 remain in service up to today even after 2 more wars.

And ammo for them seem never to run out :v

 

[Viet]

The usage and storage of US-made equipment in the VPA

The large stockpile of captured ARVN equipment and ammunition in 1975 remain in service up to today even after 2 more wars.

And ammo for them seem never to run out :v

No wonder the southern republican army was one of the best equipped armies in the world. Too bad: their fighting quality sucks. The Yankees will be surprised to see these pictures.

 

[Carlosa]

Official: Vietnam Can Reach 400-Million People Market via Iran

http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960202000888

TEHRAN (FNA)- Head of Iran Chamber of Commerce, Industries, Mines and Agriculture Gholamhossein Shafeyee underlined that Tehran can be a short and secure way for Hanoi to have access to a market with a population of 400 million.
"Iran can be a safe gateway for Vietnam to reach the Economic Cooperation Organization (ECO), the Central Asia region, Caucasus, Afghanistan and Iraq," Shafeyee said in a meeting with Chairman of People's Committee in Ho Chi Minh City Nguyen Thành Phong.

He also said that Vietnam can be a gateway for Iran to enter the world’s fifth-largest economic bloc that is the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN).

In relevant remarks on Thursday, Vietnamese President Trần Đại Quang called on his country's banks to broaden mutual cooperation with Iran in the fields of trade and banking.

"I welcome the expansion of relations between the Iranian and Vietnamese businessmen while urging the Vietnamese banks to initiate the relations with the Iranian banks," the Vietnamese president said in a meeting with Shafeyee in Hanoi.

The Vietnamese president pointed to close relations between Hanoi and Tehran, and said, "We witnessed two good incidents last year; a visit by former Vietnamese President Trương Tấn Sang to Iran and President Rouhani’s visit to Vietnam both of which led to closer relations between the two countries."

Iran can supply export products such as petrochemicals, bitumen, polymers, base oils, building materials and minerals to Vietnam.

Vietnam’s main exported products are footwear, textile and garment, fruits, rubber, coffee, rice, pepper, whereas Iran could provide Vietnam with energy sources.

The presidents of the two countries agreed last year to boost bilateral trade to a level of $2 billion by 2021.

 

[Viet]

Encounter at high sea

 

[Viet]

Frogmen

 

[Viet]

Mig-21

Probably the most reliable, longevity and successful fighter jet in history: the legendary supersonic jet Mig-21. From the hundreds of Mig-21 jets, North Vietnam received during the war, it is speculated, Vietnam still have several Mig-21 squadrons stored as reserves in underground bunkers. Armed by antiship missiles the Mig-21 can play the role of a naval fighter, posing serious threat to enemy surface ships.