Verdict on the Italian marines case due TODAY!

[samlove]

India lost you idiots.

NEWS FLASH
UN tribunal says all court proceedings in marines case have to be suspended and asks Italy, India to submit report by 24 September.

That means India must stop its court proceedings. Thats a loss! No one has faith in Indian courts.

they also rejected italy plea bcos proof were against them

 

[Yaduveer]

https://twitter.com/x/status/635750114846310400

 

[Spectre]

I ain't celebrating. This was our right. Getting that does not call for celebration.

Italian staying in Italy will get to stay there, the remaining one in Italian Embassy will too be allowed to go home until Indian SC stops him. Not sure we got anything we want.

Indian position was we have the jurisdiction but that was not accepted. In a sense restriction ought to remain on travel of Italian Marine in India but not sure how to enforce that.

The arbitration would go on for years.

It has very negative for India as our jurisdiction was not accepted.

 

[PatriotLover]

Italian staying in Italy will get to stay there, the remaining one in Italian Embassy will too be allowed to go home until Indian SC stops him. Not sure we got anything we want.

Indian position was we have the jurisdiction but that was not accepted. In a sense restriction ought to remain on travel of Italian Marine in India but not sure how to enforce that.

The arbitration would go on for years.

It has very negative for India as our jurisdiction was not accepted.

Now I look forward to the broadcast of the heros live homecoming!

And dont worry, I will make a thread here.

 

[Spectre]

Now I look forward to the broadcast of the heros live homecoming!

And dont worry, I will make a thread here.

Whatever! Have fun doing that

 

[Guynextdoor2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/635750114846310400

It's a presceiprion, not an order?

Now I look forward to the broadcast of the heros live homecoming!

And dont worry, I will make a thread here.

we will just ignore the order .....

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

This situation was handled properly already in the laws of the Vikings.
If the Marines killed innocent fishers (R.I.P.), believing that they were pirates,
then the shipping company needs to pay up,
and everyone needs to get on with their life (except the fishermen).
Viking laws even defined the exact amount to be payed.

Maybe some time behind bars is warranted, but I am not
sure what that would accomplish, unless it can be shown
that the Marines did understand it was fishermen,
and just decided to have some "fun".

The deaths cannot be undone, why make a mess of the aftermath?

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Now I look forward to the broadcast of the heros live homecoming!

And dont worry, I will make a thread here.

what Italian papers are reporting

www.repubblica.it/esteri/2015/08/24/news/maro_il_primo_verdetto_del_tribunale_internazionale_italia_e_india_sospendano_procedure_-121528174/ - Translator


Rejected the Italian request temporary measures: Italy had requested, pending the conclusion of the legal process, the repatriation of Salvatore Girone, now in India, and permanence in Italy by Massimiliano Latorre, now convalescing at home after illness accused in India. Rome had also asked that the India ceases to exercise any jurisdiction over the case. Since it will be the task of the international arbitration in the Hague "to judge the merits of the case", the Court "does not consider appropriate to prescribe provisional measures" because this "would indeed merit issues".

 

[The Great One]

This situation was handled properly already in the laws of the Vikings.
If the Marines killed innocent fishers (R.I.P.), believing that they were pirates,
then the shipping company needs to pay up,
and everyone needs to get on with their life (except the fishermen).
Viking laws even defined the exact amount to be payed.

Maybe some time behind bars is warranted, but I am not
sure what that would accomplish, unless it can be shown
that the Marines did understand it was fishermen,
and just decided to have some "fun".

The deaths cannot be undone, why make a mess of the aftermath?

The mess was created by the Italians when they tried to pull a fast one on the Supreme Court who allowed them to go home for Christmas. Thereafter, there is absolutely no reason for India to give them any further special treatment and they will be treated like common thugs.

 

[HariPrasad]

Ofcourse, the judge was Russian.....what did you expect!

We can expect your whine and cry. Now call them to Pakistan to give Hero's well come.

 

[Makaramarma]

This situation was handled properly already in the laws of the Vikings.
If the Marines killed innocent fishers (R.I.P.), believing that they were pirates,
then the shipping company needs to pay up,
and everyone needs to get on with their life (except the fishermen).
Viking laws even defined the exact amount to be payed.

Maybe some time behind bars is warranted, but I am not
sure what that would accomplish, unless it can be shown
that the Marines did understand it was fishermen,
and just decided to have some "fun".

The deaths cannot be undone, why make a mess of the aftermath?

Evidence show that the Marine killed the fishermen in cold blood. Werther they thought it was "fun" or doing the "work of god" is irrelevant.

They need to be punished for manslaughter in the very least, first degree murder at most. Not to mention the racist angle to the whole killings.

The aftermath is to ENSURE that such acts are not repeated and that the next time ANY Marines come face to face with fishermen they will think TWICE before pulling that trigger.

If you cannot even figure out this simple reality, maybe you are a racist too. Think about it.

Italian staying in Italy will get to stay there, the remaining one in Italian Embassy will too be allowed to go home until Indian SC stops him. Not sure we got anything we want.

Indian position was we have the jurisdiction but that was not accepted. In a sense restriction ought to remain on travel of Italian Marine in India but not sure how to enforce that.

The arbitration would go on for years.

It has very negative for India as our jurisdiction was not accepted.

It could very well be that the GoI want the international tribunal to punish the marines to avoid any kind of diplomatic mess.

The matter went to International tribunal with the permission of the GoI.

Italian marines case may take international arbitration route | The Indian Express

The Centre told the Supreme Court on Monday that it has agreed to participate in international arbitration proceedings in the case related to the two Italian marines, Massimiliano Latorre and Salvatore Girone, accused in the 2012 shooting of two Indian fishermen.

It also told a bench led by Justice Anil R Dave that it had no objection to allowing Latorre to extend his stay in Italy by another six months on medical grounds, even as the court pointed out that its “discretion may get curtailed” if the government agreed to the concession. The bench, also comprising Justices Kurian Joseph and Amitava Roy, then allowed Latorre’s third application for extension since September last year.

In the last week of June, the Italian foreign ministry had announced its move to invoke international arbitration, saying the decision was taken after three years of negotiations with India and the “impossibility of arriving at a solution to the controversy”. In his application, Latorre sought a stay on all proceedings in India since his country had invoked arbitration.

Responding to the plea, Additional Solicitor General P S Narasimha said: “I am not opposing the prayer for extension (of stay). But the prayer is somewhat different in the new application. They have taken reference to arbitration as a ground too. We don’t have a problem if this is extended on the medical ground though.”

He added that there was a “consensus” regarding international arbitration, invoked by Italy to decide the question of territorial jurisdiction.

“So far as arbitration is concerned, we will go before the arbitrator and raise all our objections there. This arbitration is invoked under a convention to which India is a party. We are bound by the convention,” he said. “We will raise questions of maintainability… we will say as a sovereign country, the crime has been committed here,” he added.

Senior advocate Soli Sorabjee, appearing for Italy and its marines, said India would have to nominate its arbitrator for the arbitration proceedings and since this would take time, Latorre should be allowed to remain in Italy for six months. He added that the government has no objection to this. As the ASG nodded, the bench pointed out: “If you agree on this, our discretion gets curtailed. We hope you understand that.”

Apart from responding to the plea over jurisdiction of an Indian court, the bench also sought the government’s affidavit on the issue of whether the NIA investigation in the case was valid or not. The next hearing is scheduled to be held on August 26.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Italian staying in Italy will get to stay there, the remaining one in Italian Embassy will too be allowed to go home until Indian SC stops him. Not sure we got anything we want.

Indian position was we have the jurisdiction but that was not accepted. In a sense restriction ought to remain on travel of Italian Marine in India but not sure how to enforce that.

The arbitration would go on for years.

It has very negative for India as our jurisdiction was not accepted.

 

[Spectre]

Don't worry, I read the whole judgement and the opinion of majority of judges, Still working through it. In short read close to 200 pages.

Things are not bad as it seems after getting a window into thinking of jurists. Except 6/7 jurists most of them are favorable to Indian PoV. The had to ask for suspension of trials as UNCLOS criteria for arbitrations were all satisfied but going further there is more than 80% chances we will win the case.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

This situation was handled properly already in the laws of the Vikings.
If the Marines killed innocent fishers (R.I.P.), believing that they were pirates,
then the shipping company needs to pay up,
and everyone needs to get on with their life (except the fishermen).
Viking laws even defined the exact amount to be payed.

Maybe some time behind bars is warranted, but I am not
sure what that would accomplish, unless it can be shown
that the Marines did understand it was fishermen,
and just decided to have some "fun".

The deaths cannot be undone, why make a mess of the aftermath?

these guys were shot without any warning. It's not just a question of thinking they're pirates, firing unwarned over unarmed fishermen.

 

[my2cents]

This situation was handled properly already in the laws of the Vikings.
If the Marines killed innocent fishers (R.I.P.), believing that they were pirates,
then the shipping company needs to pay up,
and everyone needs to get on with their life (except the fishermen).
Viking laws even defined the exact amount to be payed.

Maybe some time behind bars is warranted, but I am not
sure what that would accomplish, unless it can be shown
that the Marines did understand it was fishermen,
and just decided to have some "fun".

The deaths cannot be undone, why make a mess of the aftermath?

Try telling that to the families of those fishermen. They will say that is not justice. You pay for what you have done. Period.