V - - - ger reaches the edge of our solar system

[Developereo]

The ipad of yesterday could out do the super computers of that time.

It's always fun to interpret people's behavior through the years. For example, if you same someone talking to himself into the air

- in 1960 you would think he was a loony.
- in 1999 it would be a high-powered executive making million dollar deals.
- in 2012 it would be a 12 year old kid chatting with his friends.

Well with Generational we are talking about families being on board the ship. The parents teaching their children and the children growing up to take over the jobs of their parents.

A crew of maybe 100 people, with on board grown food, CO2 scrubbers, power generated through solar, radiation and some form of a nuclear reactor a mission can be designed to last out a few hundred years and from there the crew can take the mission further.

Instead of living people, you could have a spaceship full of thousands of copies of the DNA for a complete colony. At each suitable planet, a complete DNA batch of the colony would be seeded onto the planet to grow into a copy of the colony.

 

[OrionHunter]

That gives us thirteen years to develop new propulsion technology and send out a repair mission to replace the batteries...

Absolutely! By about 2030 we most likely would have developed propulsion systems that would allow space craft to approach at least half light speed. That means it would take a space craft just over a day to reach the Voyagers! But then they would have become redundant by then as newer technology would allow craft to head toward the nearest star system - Alfa Centauri.

At half light speed, it would take the craft just 8 years to traverse that distance!

Here's a rendition of what the Centauri Star system could look like from one of the moons, based on available observations...

Courtesy: Keepwalking



Imagine a spacecraft from Earth landing on another star system and sending back images of an alien environment! Now that would be really mind blowing and a quantum leap in cosmic exploration - the first baby step for exploration of the galaxy by the human race!

And in a century perhaps we would have perfected FTL (Faster Than Light) propulsion technology! Now that would be the game changer! But there's more. In probably 300 years or so, we would have discovered other methods of spanning those vast interstellar distances with such esoteric concepts such as worm holes.

And the next 1000 years we could well achieve instantaneous travel by quantum entanglement commonly referred to as 'teleportation'! (Though not the same).

What was considered science fiction yesterday is reality today!

Unfortunately, we won't be there to see this happening!

Cheers!

 

[Juice]

It's always fun to interpret people's behavior through the years. For example, if you same someone talking to himself into the air

- in 1960 you would think he was a loony.
- in 1999 it would be a high-powered executive making million dollar deals.
- in 2012 it would be a 12 year old kid chatting with his friends.



Instead of living people, you could have a spaceship full of thousands of copies of the DNA for a complete colony. At each suitable planet, a complete DNA batch of the colony would be seeded onto the planet to grow into a copy of the colony.

Perhaps you are joking...but it never hurts to think outside the box.

 

[Wright]

Absolutely! By about 2030 we most likely would have developed propulsion systems that would allow space craft to approach at least half light speed.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...es-edge-our-solar-system-3.html#ixzz1y1ly2ogU


!

Highly unlikely. With greater speed more fuel is needed, with more fuel the mass increases, slowing down the speed. Even a quarter of light speed is waay outta reach.
The closest thing theoretically to achieving a very high speed is anti matter propulsion.

That's what I remember from my limited reading on the subject in an elective course.

 

[KRAIT]

Highly unlikely. With speed more fuel is needed, with more fuel the mass increases, slowing down the speed. Even a quarter of light speed is waay outta reach.
The closest thing theoretically to achieving a very high speed is anti matter propulsion.

That's what I read on the subject a while back.

Theoretically a space ship is considered which will travel at almost/or at speed of light.....it will gain its momentum from incident photon from sunrays....as the photons will reflect back....it will provide necessary momentum..by law f conservation of momentum...problem is to build such a large disc shaped ship which is very light weight with 100% reflective coefficient...............

 

[Banana]

The first ever website created was created on 25 March 1985.

Here is the link of it.

Symbolics.com - The first and oldest .com on the Internet

And here is the list of some oldest websites.

1. 15-Mar-1985 SYMBOLICS.COM
2. 24-Apr-1985 BBN.COM
3. 24-May-1985 THINK.COM
4. 11-Jul-1985 MCC.COM
5. 30-Sep-1985 DEC.COM
6. 07-Nov-1985 NORTHROP.COM
7. 09-Jan-1986 XEROX.COM
8. 17-Jan-1986 SRI.COM
9. 03-Mar-1986 HP.COM
10. 05-Mar-1986 BELLCORE.COM
11= 19-Mar-1986 IBM.COM
11= 19-Mar-1986 SUN.COM
13= 25-Mar-1986 INTEL.COM
13= 25-Mar-1986 TI.COM
15. 25-Apr-1986 ATT.COM
16= 08-May-1986 GMR.COM
16= 08-May-1986 TEK.COM
18= 10-Jul-1986 FMC.COM
18= 10-Jul-1986 UB.COM
20= 05-Aug-1986 BELL-ATL.COM
20= 05-Aug-1986 GE.COM
20= 05-Aug-1986 GREBYN.COM
20= 05-Aug-1986 ISC.COM
20= 05-Aug-1986 NSC.COM
20= 05-Aug-1986 STARGATE.COM
26. 02-Sep-1986 BOEING.COM
27. 18-Sep-1986 ITCORP.COM
28. 29-Sep-1986 SIEMENS.COM
29. 18-Oct-1986 PYRAMID.COM
30= 27-Oct-1986 ALPHACDC.COM
30= 27-Oct-1986 BDM.COM
30= 27-Oct-1986 FLUKE.COM
30= 27-Oct-1986 INMET.COM
30= 27-Oct-1986 KESMAI.COM
30= 27-Oct-1986 MENTOR.COM
30= 27-Oct-1986 NEC.COM
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30= 27-Oct-1986 ROSEMOUNT.COM
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40= 05-Nov-1986 ALCOA.COM
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42= 17-Nov-1986 ADOBE.COM
42= 17-Nov-1986 AMD.COM
42= 17-Nov-1986 DAS.COM
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42= 17-Nov-1986 PORTAL.COM
42= 17-Nov-1986 TELTONE.COM
42= 11-Dec-1986 3COM.COM
50= 11-Dec-1986 AMDAHL.COM
50= 11-Dec-1986 CCUR.COM
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50= 11-Dec-1986 QUAD.COM
50= 11-Dec-1986 SQ.COM
50= 11-Dec-1986 TANDY.COM
50= 11-Dec-1986 TTI.COM
50= 11-Dec-1986 UNISYS.COM
61= 19-Jan-1987 CGI.COM
61= 19-Jan-1987 CTS.COM
61= 19-Jan-1987 SPDCC.COM
64. 19-Feb-1987 APPLE.COM
65= 04-Mar-1987 NMA.COM
65= 04-Mar-1987 PRIME.COM
67. 04-Apr-1987 PHILIPS.COM
68= 23-Apr-1987 DATACUBE.COM
68= 23-Apr-1987 KAI.COM
68= 23-Apr-1987 TIC.COM
68= 23-Apr-1987 VINE.COM
72. 30-Apr-1987 NCR.COM
73= 14-May-1987 CISCO.COM
73= 14-May-1987 RDL.COM
75. 20-May-1987 SLB.COM
76= 27-May-1987 PARCPLACE.COM
76= 27-May-1987 UTC.COM
78. 26-Jun-1987 IDE.COM
79. 09-Jul-1987 TRW.COM
80. 13-Jul-1987 UNIPRESS.COM
81= 27-Jul-1987 DUPONT.COM
81= 27-Jul-1987 LOCKHEED.COM
83. 28-Jul-1987 ROSETTA.COM
84. 18-Aug-1987 TOAD.COM
85. 31-Aug-1987 QUICK.COM
86= 03-Sep-1987 ALLIED.COM
86= 03-Sep-1987 DSC.COM
86= 03-Sep-1987 SCO.COM
89= 22-Sep-1987 GENE.COM
89= 22-Sep-1987 KCCS.COM
89= 22-Sep-1987 SPECTRA.COM
89= 22-Sep-1987 WLK.COM
93. 30-Sep-1987 MENTAT.COM
94. 14-Oct-1987 WYSE.COM
95. 02-Nov-1987 CFG.COM
96. 09-Nov-1987 MARBLE.COM
97= 16-Nov-1987 CAYMAN.COM
97= 16-Nov-1987 ENTITY.COM
99. 24-Nov-1987 KSR.COM
100. 30-Nov-1987 NYNEXST.COM

Nah Nah Nah!

The first domain created was nordu.net Reg: 1/1/85.

 

[KRAIT]

Nah Nah Nah!

The first domain created was nordu.net Reg: 1/1/85.

edit ur post man...list is irritating as its repeated...

 

[Don Jaguar]

Nah Nah Nah!

The first domain created was nordu.net Reg: 1/1/85.

Websites were created even before this i was talking about DOT COMs.

 

[Darth Vader]

Dnt Worry =))) me and few of my friends with the help of those aliens who are coming to destroy the earth we made a warp machine so now can jump from 1 place to other cool na

 

[Don Jaguar]

Dnt Worry =))) me and few of my friends with the help of those aliens who are coming to destroy the earth we made a warp machine so now can jump from 1 place to other cool na

Tum kia zaid hamid ke student ho?

 

[perplexed]

Highly unlikely. With greater speed more fuel is needed, with more fuel the mass increases, slowing down the speed. Even a quarter of light speed is waay outta reach.
The closest thing theoretically to achieving a very high speed is anti matter propulsion.

That's what I remember from my limited reading on the subject in an elective course.

propulsion using Solar Sails is also a possibility..

 

[Awesome]

Highly unlikely. With greater speed more fuel is needed, with more fuel the mass increases, slowing down the speed. Even a quarter of light speed is waay outta reach.
The closest thing theoretically to achieving a very high speed is anti matter propulsion.

That's what I remember from my limited reading on the subject in an elective course.

I agree and with achieving light speed you're looking at a massive amount of energy for even a little bit of mass.

I think the discovery of weight cancelling devices or related inertial dampening systems would come before a super fast propulsion system would come.

With mass effectively near 0, the energy required to reach light speed would be nearly zero.

with m = 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
v can equal to a lot and energy required would be negligible.

 

[Developereo]

Absolutely! By about 2030 we most likely would have developed propulsion systems that would allow space craft to approach at least half light speed. That means it would take a space craft just over a day to reach the Voyagers! But then they would have become redundant by then as newer technology would allow craft to head toward the nearest star system - Alfa Centauri.

At half light speed, it would take the craft just 8 years to traverse that distance!

Here's a rendition of what the Centauri Star system could look like from one of the moons, based on available observations...

Courtesy: Keepwalking



Imagine a spacecraft from Earth landing on another star system and sending back images of an alien environment! Now that would be really mind blowing and a quantum leap in cosmic exploration - the first baby step for exploration of the galaxy by the human race!

And in a century perhaps we would have perfected FTL (Faster Than Light) propulsion technology! Now that would be the game changer! But there's more. In probably 300 years or so, we would have discovered other methods of spanning those vast interstellar distances with such esoteric concepts such as worm holes.

And the next 1000 years we could well achieve instantaneous travel by quantum entanglement commonly referred to as 'teleportation'! (Though not the same).

What was considered science fiction yesterday is reality today!

Unfortunately, we won't be there to see this happening!

Cheers!

Not sure about the brute force approach of going faster; as others pointed out the relativistic problems are quite daunting. Worm holes may be an option. Another science fiction concept I like is that space itself could be 'crunched up' in front of the spacecraft. We believe space itself is expanding, which is partly contributing to the expansion of the universe. It may be possible to 'unexpand' space locally. It does leave open the unpleasant question of what the spacecraft would leave behind in its wake.

Perhaps you are joking...but it never hurts to think outside the box.

The colony seeding? It's just an artificial twist on an old idea - panspermia. Would make a good TV series, though.

 

[raptor22]

besides all technological aspects of these two space crafts and also the message that is carried by them there is an informative story that it's well worth sharing :


The Pale Blue Dot

In 1989 both Voyager spacecraft had passed Neptune and Pluto. Carl Sagan wanted one last picture of Earth from "a hundred thousand times" as far away than the famous shots of Earth taken by astronauts from the moon during the Apollo series.

The result is stunning. In Sagan's words, "Because of the reflection of sunlight off the spacecraft, the Earth seems to be sitting in a beam of light, as if there were some special significance to this small world. But it's just an accident of geometry and optics. The Sun emits its radiation equitably in all directions. Had the picture been taken a little earlier or a little later there would have been no sunbeam highlighting the Earth.

"Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there - on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

"The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors, so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

"Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

"The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand."

Carl Sagan

 

[OrionHunter]

Not sure about the brute force approach of going faster; as others pointed out the relativistic problems are quite daunting.

I wonder if you've read some of the papers concerning FTL travel which have been peer reviewed by scientists at LANL (Los Alamos National Laboratory). The equations are mind boggling, but in a nutshell, it theoretically proves that a space craft can travel faster than light speed by enclosing itself within a plasma bubble that warps the space-time continuum.

Einsteins theory of Relativity is intact as the craft itself is at zero velocity and thus zero g force whilst accelerating to FTL velocities within seconds! Seems hardcore sci-fi, but it's all there! The only thing left is to put this to test in the real world!

It's now 2012. I'm talking of achieving this within a few hundred years. Remember, a little over a century ago, scientists said that heavier than air machines are impossible!!

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
Lord Kelvin, President, Royal Society, 1895


And have you heard of instantaneous interstellar communications in a paper by Fran De Aquino of LANL, last revised in Jan 2008 titled, Gravity Control By Means of Electromagnetic Field Through Gas or Plasma at Ultra-Low Pressure?

The GCC (Gravity Control Cell) antenna radiates graviphotons and gravitational waves simultaneously. Thus it is not only a gravitational antenna, but a Quantum gravitational antenna because it can also emit and detect gravitational Virtual quanta (graviphotons) which in turn can transmit information instantaneously from any distance in the universe without scattering.


Well, this needs a dedicated thread. So I'll leave it here!