Uti possidetis juris and Israel's legal borders

[VCheng]

If you think that this should only be a Jewish or Zionist concern then imo you are mistaken. The only “peace” that the “Palestinians” seek is one where all the Jews are dead or gone. It is to Pakistan’s great shame that it has subscribed to this hatemongering genocidal vision for seventy-plus years but more important to Pakistan is the detrimental effect on Pakistani minds, as generations of Pakistanis must invoke falsehoods and illogical thinking to justify themselves, thus warping their minds of millions of people. When was the last time a Pakistani weighed evidence to determine right from wrong, rather than proclaim it first and seek only self-confirming data afterward?

"... incitement to murder and extermination at the time when Jews in the East were being killed under the most horrible conditions clearly constitutes persecution on political and racial grounds in connection with War Crimes, as defined by the Charter, and constitutes a Crime against Humanity."​

That was the Nuremberg Court's statement upon finding the Nazi publisher Streicher guilty of war crimes; the Nazis could not have empowered the Germans to kill and conquer without the hate Streicher crafted. He was sentenced to death, but that only happened after a devastating war that cost tens of millions of lives.

Does Pakistan really have to take the same route, simply because people keep thinking of antisemitism as a Jewish or Israeli problem and not their own?

Pakistan is avowedly anti-semitic country. (It doesn't really care about the welfare of the Palestinian Arabs, or there would be much more said about the sad fate of those in Lebanon and Syria.) The justifications for this consist of lies and twisted thinking, and their foundation is extremist religious hate manipulative rulers spread to divert eyes from their own deeds and failings, and is funded in Pakistan specifically to establish a base of ready soldiers and quiescent cheap labor. For those in power, antisemitism is like a religion, blind faith in denial of fact, and it is an opiate of the masses.

To be honest, I do not find much wrong with your post above.

 

[Solomon2]

To be honest, I do not find much wrong with your post above.

There's one thing very wrong with it. It's that a Jewish American is writing it and not a Pakistani.

 

[Dalit]

If you think that this should only be a Jewish or Zionist concern then imo you are mistaken. The only “peace” that the “Palestinians” seek is one where all the Jews are dead or gone. It is to Pakistan’s great shame that it has subscribed to this hatemongering genocidal vision for seventy-plus years but more important to Pakistan is the detrimental effect on Pakistani minds, as generations of Pakistanis must invoke falsehoods and illogical thinking to justify themselves, thus warping their minds of millions of people. When was the last time a Pakistani weighed evidence to determine right from wrong, rather than proclaim it first and seek only self-confirming data afterward?

"... incitement to murder and extermination at the time when Jews in the East were being killed under the most horrible conditions clearly constitutes persecution on political and racial grounds in connection with War Crimes, as defined by the Charter, and constitutes a Crime against Humanity."​

That was the Nuremberg Court's statement upon finding the Nazi publisher Streicher guilty of war crimes; the Nazis could not have empowered the Germans to kill and conquer without the hate Streicher crafted. He was sentenced to death, but that only happened after a devastating war that cost tens of millions of lives.

Does Pakistan really have to take the same route, simply because people keep thinking of antisemitism as a Jewish or Israeli problem and not their own?

Pakistan is avowedly anti-semitic country. (It doesn't really care about the welfare of the Palestinian Arabs, or there would be much more said about the sad fate of those in Lebanon and Syria.) The justifications for this consist of lies and twisted thinking, and their foundation is extremist religious hate manipulative rulers spread to divert eyes from their own deeds and failings, and is funded in Pakistan specifically to establish a base of ready soldiers and quiescent cheap labor. For those in power, antisemitism is like a religion, blind faith in denial of fact, and it is an opiate of the masses.

Frankly, Pakistanis don't give a fvck about Israel or its problems. We don't care about its existence, its history, its people or anything else. This apartheid state thankfully lies thousands of miles away from our shores. Stop making your problems ours. Ordinary Pakistanis don't care about Israel. You are such an extremely paranoid person. I have never seen a Jew who went so berserk at Pakistan due to his own wickedness. You are very pathetic.

 

[VCheng]

There's one thing very wrong with it. It's that a Jewish American is writing it and not a Pakistani.

Pakistan as a country has to evolve much, if it ever does, before expectations such as yours become feasible, Sir.

 

[Solomon2]

Frankly, Pakistanis don't give a fvck about Israe...apartheid state ...paranoid person...wickedness. You are very pathetic.

Thanks. You obviously care enough to parrot the popular calumnies current in your culture, if not in your schools. Both Pakistan's H.E.C. and I believe that the Zionist project is intimately important to Pakistan: link.

Pakistan as a country has to evolve much, if it ever does, before expectations such as yours become feasible, Sir.

Isn't that because no Pakistani will step forward to make the effort?

 

[VCheng]

Isn't that because no Pakistani will step forward to make the effort?

Not at all. It is so because Pakistanis themselves eliminate anyone amongst them daring to speak up. Conformity to prescribed views is enforced with a vengeance. Those who do not conform are made to leave or worse.

 

[Solomon2]

Not at all. It is so because Pakistanis themselves eliminate anyone amongst them daring to speak up. Conformity to prescribed views is enforced with a vengeance. Those who do not conform are made to leave or worse.

Respectfully, sir, minds do change - even Pakistani ones. In 1971 visceral hatred of East Pakistanis was rampant in W. Pakistani society, yet in a few short years it was quite forgotten.

 

[VCheng]

Respectfully, sir, minds do change - even Pakistani ones. In 1971 visceral hatred of East Pakistanis was rampant in W. Pakistani society, yet in a few short years it was quite forgotten.

Forgotten? Think again, Sir.

 

[Solomon2]

Forgotten? Think again, Sir.

Are Pakistanis fulminating with Bangla-hate in the media, labeling them traitors and vowing to teach them a lesson? Nor are Pakistanis arming to reconquer Bangladesh, or the Pakmil structuring to do so. So why isn't "forgotten" the correct term?

 

[VCheng]

Are Pakistanis fulminating with Bangla-hate in the media, labeling them traitors and vowing to teach them a lesson? Nor are Pakistanis arming to reconquer Bangladesh, or the Pakmil structuring to do so. So why isn't "forgotten" the correct term?

Look into the stranded Pakistanis issue and see what you get.

 

[Solomon2]

Look into the stranded Pakistanis issue and see what you get.

That's hate from Bangladeshis and Biharis for Pakistanis or the Pakistani gov't. Different issue.

 

[VCheng]

That's hate from Bangladeshis and Biharis for Pakistanis or the Pakistani gov't. Different issue.

Try repatriating them to Pakistan and see how the "love" comes pouring out in the streets of Karachi.

 

[Solomon2]

Try repatriating them to Pakistan and see how the "love" comes pouring out in the streets of Karachi.

Out of sight, out of mind. Pakistan doesn't excel at confronting and resolving its problems; it buries them instead, and they erupt afterward.

The three situations - Zionophobia, Banglaphobia, Indiaphobia - all strike me as having a common root: the elevation of power-worship above individual civil and property rights. I think the branch occurred in the early 1900s when the Indian Muslim (or proto-Pakistani) leadership decided to oppose the Zionist project: that meant putting what they felt was a shared group identity above that of Western rights (like those of Britain) and a common human decency. Extremism took off from there, soon morphing into Hindu-hatred, then separatism.

 

[VCheng]

Out of sight, out of mind. Pakistan doesn't excel at confronting and resolving its problems; it buries them instead, and they erupt afterward.

The three situations - Zionophobia, Banglaphobia, Indiaphobia - all strike me as having a common root: the elevation of power-worship above individual civil and property rights. I think the branch occurred in the early 1900s when the Indian Muslim (or proto-Pakistani) leadership decided to oppose the Zionist project: that meant putting what they felt was a shared group identity above that of Western rights (like those of Britain) and a common human decency. Extremism took off from there, soon morphing into Hindu-hatred, then separatism.

Exactly why I said nothing has been forgotten, merely conveniently lurking just beneath the surface, waiting for the right time to erupt.

 

[Solomon2]

Exactly why I said nothing has been forgotten, merely conveniently lurking just beneath the surface, waiting for the right time to erupt.

That's what wise political leadership can help defuse, right?