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How bad is the news that a single Sukhoi-30 has successfully dodged four or five AIM-120C-5 BVRAAMs, for the USAF and NATO?
Rick Scheff
Answered Mar 11
That article is complete nonsense.
Firstly, AMRAAMs miss all the time for plenty of reasons. Sometimes it’s simply pilot error. I’ve shot plenty of missiles in training that would not have hit due to my own buffoonery, and it had nothing to do with enemy capabilities.
Secondly, it’s very common to shoot missiles that were never intended to hit. Take an example of defending something on the ground (which was exactly what was going on here). I might say “hey, if the bad guy gets within X miles I’m going to shoot.” Now, if that bad guy keeps flying straight ahead he’ll die, but if he says “oh, hey, someone shot at me” and turns around the missile will miss. Additionally the bad guy won’t bomb his target, his mission will be a loss, mine will be a win, and that’ll be fine. I suppose that bad guy could turn around and say “I dodged an AMRAAM” but that’s pretty stupid.
Lastly, that article says
“Indian Su-30MKI deployed a combination of Jammers, Flares and Superior maneuverability of the aircraft to outclass the chasing missiles in a matter of few seconds of them begin fired by F-16.”
Flares are an infrared countermeasure. AMRAAMs are radar missiles. If someone tells you they defeated an AIM-120 with a flare they’re just stupid. As far as jammers and maneuverability that makes no sense. If you actually jam the missiles “in a matter of few seconds of them begin fired” then you don’t need to maneuver, they just won’t guide. If you need to maneuver then you probably aren’t jamming effectively, so this entire sentence is idiotic.
1- The article specifically says
“jam their radar lock making them from a guided missile to unguided rocket which not only lost its target but also crashed without taking out any target”
and
“was also successful in making them a dud rocket by active jamming in the air”
in which case maneuvers should be irrelevant.
2- I have no idea what you’re getting at with the flare thing. I train to active missile defense on a daily basis and flares have no bearing on radar missiles.
If what you’re trying to say is “they flared because they didn’t know if it was an active missile or an IR missile” then fine, but in that case claiming that flares were used to “outclass the chasing missiles” is stupid. Just say “we wasted some flares because we don’t know what we’re doing.”
Bottom line: whoever wrote that is at best a complete moron, and at worst just nakedly dishonest.
Answer:
https://qr.ae/TW1F8j
I was browsing the Quora and i stumble upon this piece of answer from an USAF pilot on the India claims of spoofing 5 AIM-120C-5. So i thought i had to share it with you guys.
There is more stuff in the comment section of Quora if you want to check it ouy.
Out of anger Indians have collapsed the answer by doing the spam reports lol
Rick Scheff
Answered Mar 11
That article is complete nonsense.
Firstly, AMRAAMs miss all the time for plenty of reasons. Sometimes it’s simply pilot error. I’ve shot plenty of missiles in training that would not have hit due to my own buffoonery, and it had nothing to do with enemy capabilities.
Secondly, it’s very common to shoot missiles that were never intended to hit. Take an example of defending something on the ground (which was exactly what was going on here). I might say “hey, if the bad guy gets within X miles I’m going to shoot.” Now, if that bad guy keeps flying straight ahead he’ll die, but if he says “oh, hey, someone shot at me” and turns around the missile will miss. Additionally the bad guy won’t bomb his target, his mission will be a loss, mine will be a win, and that’ll be fine. I suppose that bad guy could turn around and say “I dodged an AMRAAM” but that’s pretty stupid.
Lastly, that article says
“Indian Su-30MKI deployed a combination of Jammers, Flares and Superior maneuverability of the aircraft to outclass the chasing missiles in a matter of few seconds of them begin fired by F-16.”
Flares are an infrared countermeasure. AMRAAMs are radar missiles. If someone tells you they defeated an AIM-120 with a flare they’re just stupid. As far as jammers and maneuverability that makes no sense. If you actually jam the missiles “in a matter of few seconds of them begin fired” then you don’t need to maneuver, they just won’t guide. If you need to maneuver then you probably aren’t jamming effectively, so this entire sentence is idiotic.
1- The article specifically says
“jam their radar lock making them from a guided missile to unguided rocket which not only lost its target but also crashed without taking out any target”
and
“was also successful in making them a dud rocket by active jamming in the air”
in which case maneuvers should be irrelevant.
2- I have no idea what you’re getting at with the flare thing. I train to active missile defense on a daily basis and flares have no bearing on radar missiles.
If what you’re trying to say is “they flared because they didn’t know if it was an active missile or an IR missile” then fine, but in that case claiming that flares were used to “outclass the chasing missiles” is stupid. Just say “we wasted some flares because we don’t know what we’re doing.”
Bottom line: whoever wrote that is at best a complete moron, and at worst just nakedly dishonest.
Answer:
https://qr.ae/TW1F8j
I was browsing the Quora and i stumble upon this piece of answer from an USAF pilot on the India claims of spoofing 5 AIM-120C-5. So i thought i had to share it with you guys.
There is more stuff in the comment section of Quora if you want to check it ouy.
Out of anger Indians have collapsed the answer by doing the spam reports lol
