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USA sold Highly Degraded Versions of M1 Abrams MBTs variants to Saudia, Egypt and Iraq

Buying Downgraded MBTs from USA is like Buying Coffins

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 52.5%
  • Yes & No Vague - In Between

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • No

    Votes: 9 22.5%
  • I do not know

    Votes: 5 12.5%

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i am not the one embarrassing myself here by saying the T-55 is better than the abrams , Ignore me for a sec. and lets see the other guys opinion.

Here is the thing, Pakistan tried the M1s, and it did not meet the army's requirements, plus that it had a gas turbine, which was determined to be very costly to repair in the heat of the battle....they wanted simplicity and if another tank could do that, why would you go with M1? Just because it is American?
 
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Here is the thing, Pakistan tried the M1s, and it did not meet the army's requirements, plus that it had a gas turbine, which was determined to be very costly to repair in the heat of the battle....they wanted simplicity and if another tank could do that, why would you go with M1? Just because it is American?
Actually Egypt got a really really good deal on M1 Abrams. They had signed a peace treaty with Israel, and against that backdrop Americans gave Egypt Abrams at an excellent price. I think if the same deal was offered to Pakistan, we would never have refused it. So both sides were right in their decision. PA did not see much value in Abrams at the price they came in, meanwhile for the Egyptian Army it was the best value for their money.
 
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Mods Sorry for being off topic: How many kills does your pilots had against Israeli air force?? PAF pilots have shot down many of their jets while flying for various ME air forces. Israelis massacred your forces once your air defense was neutralized.

open a thread about 1973 war and let us discuss it there beside ruining this thread , but just shortly do you think that if israel was wining the war they will just give us Sinai that easy , does isreal seems to be that nice ?

i respect Pakistani people and army but i don't know what are you trying to prove and why is the bla bla against egypt in your comments.

GN all
 
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open a thread about 1973 war and let us discuss it there beside ruining this thread , but just shortly do you think that if israel was wining the war they will just give us Sinai that easy , does isreal seems to be that nice ?

i respect Pakistani people and army but i don't know what are you trying to prove and why is the bla bla against egypt in your comments.

GN all

ok open a thread and invite @500 in it too. :-)
 
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BS thread. Export Abrams version has weaker front armor. But all Iraqi destroyed Abrams were hit from sides and top or just abandoned.


Here two RPGs (one front and another side) did not affect Abrams at all.
 
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BS thread. Export Abrams version has weaker front armor. But all Iraqi destroyed Abrams were hit from sides and top or just abandoned.


Here two RPGs (one front and another side) did not affect Abrams at all.

This video proves what we have mentioned before .
Those tanks crews were just pathetic .. they didn't even conduct any kind of maneuver
Highly unprepared untrained crews ..
Moreover , no ground/air support in urban warfare field !

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And guys ....
We're talking about Iraqi M1A1 performance and if that the same in KSA , Egypt and other Arab countries !!
So , please stay away off non-related topics ie, war 73 or Eg vs Pak !!
 
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Actually Egypt got a really really good deal on M1 Abrams. They had signed a peace treaty with Israel, and against that backdrop Americans gave Egypt Abrams at an excellent price. I think if the same deal was offered to Pakistan, we would never have refused it. So both sides were right in their decision. PA did not see much value in Abrams at the price they came in, meanwhile for the Egyptian Army it was the best value for their money.

Whatever the deal, we are not going to procure an equipment if it doesn't meet our needs and/or is not very user friendly, i.e. the maintenance is a hassle. While Egypt was guaranteed American Aid money for buying American weapons, Pakistan never got that. We always paid for ours. This was during the 1980s when US-Pak relations were at an all time high due to Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. That is why were able to procure F-16s with ease and we paid in full for those. Now, if you look back, it was best we didn't procure M1s, because sanctions were slapped on Pakistan in 1992 which means Pakistan would have never received the M1s in full and spares would have been a nightmare........at least that was not the problem with the Chinese/Soviet tanks....we could get the parts from all over the world....M1's limited userbase made that an impossibility. Egypt got the license to produce them domestically, so it made sense for them.

So while M1 might be a good tank, it simply wasn't for Pakistan.......and it's not like Pakistan did not test it, they did it, and they refused.

So what is the fuss all about? Just because Egypt procured an American tank it must be good for Pakistan as well?
 
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Actually , it's worth mentioning .
the licence of M1A1 production was the best deal we got from Americans :)

And we also had the chance to produce F-16 in the 90s , but we can't accept a foreign military base in Egypt
We even refused to sign CISMOA , and violated "end-user agreements" with the U.S
Somethings which result prevention of export F-15 and many other equipments to Egypt
 
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So what is the fuss all about? Just because Egypt procured an American tank it must be good for Pakistan as well?

the fuss was about that the T-55 are just not even comparable with the abrams not because we own it or Pak refuse to own it but the comparison is just wrong and it's not even a fair comparison to the T-55
 
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the fuss was about that the T-55 are just not even comparable with the abrams not because we own it or Pak refuse to own it but the comparison is just wrong and it's not even a fair comparison to the T-55
One idiot made that stupid claim
No one else brought the T-55 up
The M1 just didn't fulfill Pakistan's requirements hence the rejection
 
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the fuss was about that the T-55 are just not even comparable with the abrams not because we own it or Pak refuse to own it but the comparison is just wrong and it's not even a fair comparison to the T-55

I'd leave the merits or non-merits of the T-55 vs M1 aside.....Pakistan wanted a superior tank for the front line forces....M1 would have been procured in limited numbers only for specific armoured units.......the rest would have remained the PRC version of T-55 regardless
 
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BS thread. Export Abrams version has weaker front armor. But all Iraqi destroyed Abrams were hit from sides and top or just abandoned.


Here two RPGs (one front and another side) did not affect Abrams at all.
Otr even had their hatch open....
 
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open a thread about 1973 war and let us discuss it there beside ruining this thread , but just shortly do you think that if israel was wining the war they will just give us Sinai that easy , does isreal seems to be that nice ?

i respect Pakistani people and army but i don't know what are you trying to prove and why is the bla bla against egypt in your comments.

GN all

Israel destroyed over 90 % Egypt Air-force on the ground before they can fly to protect Egypt Air Space
while Egyptians Night before the Attack were Sleeping European, Russians, Israel Whores; who came months before the Attack and they infiltrated Egypt Air force and other High Ranking Army Officers to make them hook on booze, Drugs and Free Sex...This is the real Egypt Air force, Army and other High Ranking Officers

Operation Moked: Destruction of the Egyptian Air Force (June 5, 1967)

In three hours in June, 1967, the IAF achieved one of the most spectacular victories in the history of modern warfare. During these fateful moments, Israeli fighters struck a crippling blow to the Egyptian Air Force by destroying most of its aircraft on the ground. During the tension-filled weeks that preceded the war, all efforts were focused on the operation. As Arab leaders whipped their populations into a militant frenzy, IAF maintenance forces whipped their aircraft into shape.

The planners concentrated on Egypt, the leader of the Arab world. They risked nearly all of the IAF's 200 fighters on the attack. Only 12 planes were held back to protect Israel's skies. The first wave struck precisely at 07:45, the daily change-over time at Egyptian air bases. Eleven fields were initially targeted. Special emphasis was placed on destroying the Tupelov and Ilyushin bombers which posed a strategic threat to Israel.

As the attack began, fighters dropped bombs designed to crater the runways, preventing enemy aircraft from taking off. This was followed by an intricate pattern of strafing runs, which caught scores of planes trapped on the ground. The perfect execution of this difficult aerial “choreography” was the result of countless hours of training. The first wave was a brilliant success: 189 planes, nearly half the Egyptian air force, lay burning. The second wave pressed the advantage against Egypt. Fourteen bases were hit and 107 more planes destroyed.

Later that morning, Syrian Migs and Jordanian artillery attacked Israel. Within one hour, Israeli planes were on their way to these countries, catching Migs and Hunters on the ground and in the air. By the end of the first day, the IAF controlled the skies, paving the way to victory. Not since the Battle of Britain had so many owed so much to so few

Israel Air Force In the Six-Day War | Jewish Virtual Library
 
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