USA sceptic towards chinese economic development in Pakistan will bear fruits due to instability

[silent hawk]

How much easier is it to cut a major highway than it is to shut down an entire sea?

AoA
Defender needs to defend the entire route. Attacker needs just one point.
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[salarsikander]

So where are the plans for a pipeline carrying crude along the only major water supply for Pakistan? That would be a technological challenge in and of itself.



Yes, I agree that there are many potential benefits for Pakistan and it is an important project in this regard.



How much easier is it to cut a major highway than it is to shut down an entire sea?

Hi,

I would suggest you to read the articles on cpec which would suggest the reason why China is ready to commit to such huge investment given the instability in this country.

While I don't share the same level of pessimism as you do, but unless China is getting something big in return ( secured oil supplies) i don't find any reason why it wouldnbe willing to invest time and money

 

[VCheng]

Hi,

I would suggest you to read the articles on cpec which would suggest the reason why China is ready to commit to such huge investment given the instability in this country.

While I don't share the same level of pessimism as you do, but unless China is getting something big in return ( secured oil supplies) i don't find any reason why it wouldnbe willing to invest time and money

Much of the CPEC story is unjustified hype from the Pakistani side, but it remains an important project. As the OP article says, there are good reasons to be skeptical of the claims being made. China has better security for its energy supplies from Russia right next door without any major logistical issues such as those that would be seen with getting a pipeline over the Karakorams. China has planned for a huge investment, but whether Pakistan is ready to absorb it still remains to be seen.

 

[Pak_Sher]

Do the ships need to climb over 16,000 foot mountains in all weathers through an active earthquake zone?

The construction methods should be aligned to deal with earthquakes. Did Japan stopped all development because they have average of 40-50 small, medium or large earthquakes every year? Or did Japan modify the infrastructure construction technology? Yoy are not clear on your argument. ..

 

[Humble Analyst]

Project does not make economic sense. Will be a big failure.

That is your wishful thinking and Indian agenda as well. Look at how it can cultivate China. It is not feasible to India that its traditional enemies do well.

 

[somebozo]

From the mountains to the sea: A Chinese vision, a Pakistani corridor - The Washington Post Indian and other anty Pakistan lobbies are unusual active in USA. Whatever postive happends in Pakistan american media with its indian-american is very active in the debate fields in the articles spreading propoganda and malign Pakistan. If an event happend for 40 years ago that is not representative for Pakistan in 2015 or 2016, but US media makes 50 years old event representative for Pakistan even now.

While the the british media have another perspective on the matter.


China’s new Silk Road to the West is an opportunity Britain must grasp - Telegraph

The only way to disprove Indians and American is to deliver results over time and also good governance.

One has to understand that this article is not based on China-Pakistan project but general opinion towards China...excerpt from the same article

A few miles down the mountain into Pakistan, where the air is a bit thicker and the summer sun melts the snow, Mohammad Noor fulfills a generations-old family tradition: escorting more than 1,000 goats and sheep to summer pasture. This year, however, he keeps his footing by walking on a new section of Karakorum Highway, recently built by China. And with each step, Noor says, he feels as though he’s heading into the future.

“The young people now are more educated and don’t want to look after sheep and goats,” said Noor, 44. “The future is Pakistan and China.”

 

[VCheng]

The construction methods should be aligned to deal with earthquakes. Did Japan stopped all development because they have average of 40-50 small, medium or large earthquakes every year? Or did Japan modify the infrastructure construction technology? Yoy are not clear on your argument. ..

Can you really earthquake-proof a road , rail or pipeline across the Karakorams? The terrain is far more difficult and only adds to the technical complexity and cost of any project. My argument is clear, consistent and concise.

 

[salarsikander]

Much of the CPEC story is unjustified hype from the Pakistani side, but it remains an important project. As the OP article says, there are good reasons to be skeptical of the claims being made. China has better security for its energy supplies from Russia right next door without any major logistical issues such as those that would be seen with getting a pipeline over the Karakorams. China has planned for a huge investment, but whether Pakistan is ready to absorb it still remains to be seen.

Hi,

Nothing wrong in diversifying oil supplies. In case Russians try to act smart, China will have another option.

Furthermore, Pakistan has never seen such huge investment program ever since its inception, so it is under stable to have such excitement.

Sir, if half of what they say about the project is true, then you will see a shift in culture, people would be employed eventually and we will see less of crime as most people would get work. As they say empty mind is devils House

Can you really earthquake-proof a road , rail or pipeline across the Karakorams? The terrain is far more difficult and only adds to the technical complexity and cost of any project. My argument is clear, consistent and concise.

Hi,
Not really, but there s an opportunity to make it earthquake resistant and to adjust it with current environment. Having said that, it doesn't stop earthquake prone countries to seek development.(japan and far east countries)
I don't find any reason why this should be a reason to abandon such project based on misplaced fears.

Unless someone has the habit of undermining every progressive move in Pakistan

 

[tarrar]

Of course India can't bare the sight of Pakistan going forward & CPEC is not only burning India heavily but US as well.

 

[RealNapster]

Few question about CPEC, how does the money invested by the China will be returned afterall the Bank of china is financing.

Now its a big project and its a collection of small projects

Now don't want to read all of it but main points

1. 6 lane Road connecting Xianlong to Gadawar --- Money collected from the toll for 10-20 years
2. Solar Park --- Sub charge on electricity Bill
3. Rail network --- Sub charge
4. Pipeline for fuel --- Annual Charge

Question arises, it all depends on the Chinese Trade from Gadawar, Now question is

1. If China decreases its oil dependency from Arabic nation and increases from Russia,
2. Chinese industrial demands increases in South East Asia, more and European demands decreases
3. Chabbar develops more and started giving competiton to Gadawar
4. Conditions in Afghanistan becomes better, and china start giving importance to the link connecting Afghanistan, China, kajakistan, central asia, and iran and Chabbar.
5. Indian Industires booms and starting exporting goods in middle east and europe.

And few more

1. Does China is developing Industrial Park in Pakistan.
2. Does with CPEC some new cities are also been build.

i can't answer your earlier questions as i don't know the "status" of this 46 billion $ . but i think it's MAINLY investment "not loan" that's why they call it "Chinese investment" .. but viper can answer this more effectively . @Viper0011.

but yes. it's a part of plan to build and develop "roundabout 20" industrial zones around the CPEC. and yes, more and more cities will be developed including gawadar, turbat etc and many new cities. just a matter of time.

How much easier is it to cut a major highway than it is to shut down an entire sea?

and who will cut that highway ??

 

[Pak_Sher]

Can you really earthquake-proof a road , rail or pipeline across the Karakorams? The terrain is far more difficult and only adds to the technical complexity and cost of any project. My argument is clear, consistent and concise.

Bridges, tunnels and paases can be flexible to sustain 8.0 earthquakes. I just visited Murree on my trip to Pakistan and saw multiple landslides. So according to your logic all development in Murree, the galiats , development of the lower Toppa PAF infrastructure should all be abandoned because occasionally there is an earthquake or landslide. CPEC is going to go on and infrastructure maintenance will be an ongoing activity. I live in an area of US that has heavy snowfall 5-6 months a year and roads are open. Pakistan at the moment lacks the equipment to handle heavy snow. It is not rocket science to have 100-150 snow ploughing trucks and crew. This should all come as part of the planning.

 

[VCheng]

Bridges, tunnels and paases can be flexible to sustain 8.0 earthquakes. I just visited Murree on my trip to Pakistan and saw multiple landslides. So according to your logic all development in Murree, the galiats , development of the lower Toppa PAF infrastructure should all be abandoned because occasionally there is an earthquake or landslide. CPEC is going to go on and infrastructure maintenance will be an ongoing activity. I live in an area of US that has heavy snowfall 5-6 months a year and roads are open. Pakistan at the moment lacks the equipment to handle heavy snow. It is not rocket science to have 100-150 snow ploughing trucks and crew. This should all come as part of the planning.

It is also not rocket science that all this increases the costs and relative to alternatives not as costly.

Not really, but there s an opportunity to make it earthquake resistant and to adjust it with current environment. Having said that, it doesn't stop earthquake prone countries to seek development.(japan and far east countries)
I don't find any reason why this should be a reason to abandon such project based on misplaced fears.

please see above.

 

[salarsikander]

please see above.

Hi,

Excuse me for my limited understanding here, please point me in the right direction

 

[VCheng]

Hi,

Excuse me for my limited understanding here, please point me in the right direction

Given the terrain, the costs of making any form of road, rail or pipe transport safe and reliable increase tremendously compared to alternatives available. It can be done, but it alters the cost:benefit ratio a lot.

 

[salarsikander]

Given the terrain, the costs of making any form of road, rail or pipe transport safe and reliable increase tremendously compared to alternatives available. It can be done, but it alters the cost:benefit ratio a lot.

Sir,

Please try to understand, unless it wasn't viable, a country like China wouldn't want to invest.

It offers alternative route ( though expensive in short term) yet safer route for oil supplies. Not to mention the amount of business activity will be generated in next few years.

It is a good opportunity for Pakistan's western undeveloped region to catch up with rest of Pakistan in term of employment generation and improving the regions outlook after a decade of lack of progress and development