USA Refused Israel Request for F-15 Silent Eagle

[jha]

Russian fighter look much better than the american ones...
Feel free to disagree

 

[Donatello]

They want Israel to buy F-35 rather than f-15? Is it just me or the fact that f-35 is not so capable.....

 

[graphican]

They want Israel to buy F-35 rather than f-15? Is it just me or the fact that f-35 is not so capable.....

F-15 Silent Eagle is 1/3rd of price + not at much parity with to F-35 and as American say, even F-15 is enough to counter Russian Flankers says something about the class of this aircraft.

 

[graphican]

I do not think Obama would let Israel have these birds anytime in near future. Israel is proving itself a MAD STATE and recent incident of flotila made America eat a lot of dust for supporting and for not-condemning Israel. Empowering such state with more weapons means more chaos for the world. Obama would be idiot to let such country have access to such a technology which as a state policty refuses to accept international norms. And don't forget, the Ghaza Issue is not over, its going to gain more momentum in the coming few months.

and Jews were not happy with Obama even when he was running for election the first time. If Jews couldn't stop him winning the election for the first time, they couldn't get on driving seat for the second time either. Americans will vote for Obama and if Americans are happy with his policies, this would decide if he elects for the second term or not.

 

[jha]

F-15 Silent Eagle is 1/3rd of price + not at much parity with to F-35 and as American say, even F-15 is enough to counter Russian Flankers says something about the class of this aircraft.

1/3 price is a propaganda at its best...so,a single F-35 costs 300 mil...??

 

[jha]

OT but when is next election in US...?

 

[hal-fgfa]

USA Refused Israel Request for F-15 Silent Eagle

President Barack Obama has rejected another Israeli request for advanced combat platforms.

Diplomatic sources said Obama refused a request by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for Israeli access to a proposed stealth variant of the F-15E fighter-jet.

Netanyahu, during what was termed a tough and unpleasant session, failed to win Obama's agreement to approve the export of U.S. offensive systems, including combat jets and helicopters produced by Boeing.

"Netanyahu asked that the United States expedite the export of military equipment and allow Boeing to export the stealth F-15 as part of the Foreign Military Sales program," a diplomatic source, briefed on the July 6 meeting at the White House, said. "Obama did not reply."

The sources termed the 90-minute one-on-one session between Obama and Netanyahu as "tough", with the two men far apart on such issues as a Palestinian state in the West Bank as well as Iran. They said Obama warned Israel against any military strike on Iran and stressed that Washington would resolve Iran's nuclear threat through a mixture of sanctions and diplomacy.

For the first time, the sources said, Netanyahu urged Obama to release weapons and platforms approved by the previous administration of then-President George W. Bush. This included air transports, attack helicopters, precision-guided munitions and other systems approved by Bush in 2007 and 2008 and since frozen by Obama.

A key request was for Obama to grant Israel access to Boeing's proposed F-15 stealth variant, called Silent Eagle and unveiled in 2009. Both Israel and Saudi Arabia have expressed interest in the stealth design, but the Obama administration has ordered the closure of the F-15 production line as the Defense Department prepares for the introduction of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

"Israel wants the stealth F-15 as its next aircraft, but Washington wants Israel to buy the F-35 ahead of every other international partner," the source said.

On July 10, the Silent Eagle completed its maiden flight in a demonstration of the F-15's stealth capabilities. Boeing said the 80-minute flight would soon be followed by a test of its weapons suite, including the firing of the AIM-120 air-to-air missile.

The sources said Obama also urged Netanyahu to accept Palestinian Authority conditions for the resumption of direct negotiations. One of the demands submitted by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas was for Israel to agree to a full withdrawal from the West Bank before talks begin.

"There is very heavy pressure on Netanyahu to make unilateral concessions to the Palestinians," the source said.

For his part, Netanyahu maintained that the alliance between Israel and the United States continued to be "stable and strong." Speaking to the Cabinet on July 11, the prime minister said his meeting with Obama included discussions on Iran, Palestinians and efforts to force Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. The Israeli premier did not report any agreement with the president.

"I gained the impression that the president is also attentive to the state of Israel's special security needs," Netanyahu said. "On these issues, we are working in concert."

The diplomatic sources said Obama's decision to stage a warm greeting for Netanyahu stemmed from an urgent call from the Democratic Party leadership. They said Jewish supporters have been withholding contributions for the party's campaign for congressional elections in November 2010.

A key victim of this has been Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid from Nevada, trailing in the polls in the race against his Republican challenger.

"Obama might come [to Israel] in the fall if he sees that the Jews are still not contributing to the campaign, and get some photo-ops at the Western Wall," another source said.

A White House official confirmed that the administration continues to press the Netanyahu government to agree to major and imminent concessions to the PA to ensure the establishment of a Palestinian state in the entire West Bank by 2012. The official said the fissures in the relationship between Jerusalem and Washington were deep and would take years to repair.

"An alliance is like china," the official said. "When you glue it together, the cracks don't disappear."

Obama rejected Netanyahu request for F-15E in 'tough' session

I think they just want their money back but from a different way

 

[ARCHON]

F-35 production costs are much lower then people realize. Over and over articles have been posted here to this effect but people refuse to get rid of the 150 million dollar price tag in their heads. part of it is the concerted media blitz that was mounted by f-35 critics.

Lockheed: F-35 Can Compete On Cost | AVIATION WEEK


Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The USAF's budget data in 2010 projects the F-35 to have a US$89 million flyaway cost based its planned production of 1,753 F-35As. Lockheed Martin expects to reduce government cost estimates by 20%"

 

[subject17]

Beautiful bird, looks lethal.

 

[Nahraf]

The Zionist lobby is too strong to let US administration to refuse any request from Zionist entity. This is probably just public relations stunt to show that Obama is showing displeasure after barbaric Gaza flotilla attack. The Zionist Nazis will get what they want at the end of the day from US.

 

[Archie]

Washington wants Israel to buy the F-35 ahead of every other international partner," the source said.

Well Israel had decided to buy 24 F35 , and i am pretty sure that they will recieve them at about the same time as USAF
However , there are two problems
1. F35 is an untested platform and even the US does not know how well it actually performs against a real threat which USAF has not yet faced since the Korean War 60 yrs ago , frankly the US has not yet brought its most advanced fighter , the F22 in combat , wether they are afraid that the russians and chinese will find out its short coming is another thing.

2. THE PRICE TAG OF A F35 IS AROUND 140 MILLION USD HENCE ISRAEL CANNOT PURCHASE A LOT OF THEM

3. F15 have been in service with irsael for 20 yrs , even though they have the older variant , but there pilots are well versed with them , and F15 silent eagle is basically a sprused up f15s , it might not be as stealthy as f35 but at par with the Eurofighter Typhoon.

 

[Nahraf]

THE PRICE TAG OF A F35 IS AROUND 140 MILLION USD HENCE ISRAEL CANNOT PURCHASE A LOT OF THEM

They get their arms free of cost from US. Just calculate the "defense" and economic aid that US provides and subtract it from their arms purchases. It is the US purse stings that keeps the Zionist entity committing war crimes.

 

[Tomahawk]

 

[Thomas]

They shud Dump the request for F-15s if US Not Providing or Buy Sukhoi 30s or Even Su-35 wud Be great

The advantages the Sukhoi's have with thrust vectoring are severely negated with the AIM-9X and the electronics of the F-35. So why would they ever go with a Sukhoi?

 

[RescueRanger]

The advantages the Sukhoi's have with thrust vectoring are severely negated with the AIM-9X and the electronics of the F-35. So why would they ever go with a Sukhoi?

Because this is the attitude of certain people... America stiffs you, go with the russians. By the way what russian fighter aircraft does IAF utilise at the moment!

Anyone know?