USA general threaten to destroy Russia

[LeGenD]

Even in a non-nuclear war, most of the US navy fleet involved in the battle will be obliterated and vanished. US can not win in this war, no matter how much of a fanboy you are. Both Russia and US are idiots if they start fighting each other.

You are terribly wrong about this.

No country in the world holds a candle to conventional warfare capabilities of USA, at present.

Why do you think Russia maintains such a massive stockpile of nuclear warheads? To offset American superiority in conventional spectrum and make the war unwinnable.

 

[Serpentine]

You are terribly wrong about this.

No country in the world holds a candle to conventional warfare capabilities of USA, at present.

Why do you think Russia maintains such a massive stockpile of nuclear assets? To offset American superiority in conventional spectrum and discourage American intervention.

I didn't say Russia will win. The point is, if US and Russia want to fight a conventional war, no side can win.

If history has shown anything, US can only take on weak countries militarily.

 

[LeGenD]

I didn't say Russia will win. The point is, if US and Russia want to fight a conventional war, no side can win.

If history has shown anything, US can only take on weak countries militarily.

American war-machine is superior to Russian war-machine in almost every aspect. A conventional conflict between the two sides would be largely one-sided in favor of the Americans. Believe it or not.

Russian doctrine is to offset American superiority in conventional spectrum through its nuclear arsenal. Therefore, Russia continues to maintain a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons.

As far as history is concerned, Americans have fought and defeated great powers in the battlefield such as British Empire, Spanish Empire, Germany and Japan. They are also masters of outwitting other states in a lengthy conflict as apparent from their victory in the Cold War.

 

[Penguin]

Russia has almost 800,000 active duty and around 2.5 million reserves. Stop copying and pasting everything from Wekipedia.

Then provide a better, verifiable source but at least stop without any source.

I believe I ended up with 750,000. How's that so different? You do have to take army only (not armed forces, which includes navy and air force etc)

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/personnel.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/armies.htm

With an estimated 766,000 troops under arms and another 2.5 million in reserve, Russia’s armed forces have shrunk under Mr Putin to the fourth largest in the world, behind China (2.3 million), India (1.4 million) and the United States (1.3 million)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-military-firepower-compares-to-the-West.html

Already corrected another member. You're only off by about about 3 million soldiers. I guess in your world 230,000 is close enough to 800,000 active duty and 2.5 million reserves.

NOT corrected by another member. Besides, you've not looked at the question in answer to which these numbers were given. We're not looking at armed forces in total.

 

[The SC]

Clear signs that the US is not in control. When a top general starts behaving like a monkey and hurling cheap words you know things are bad. Very bad.

There is going to be a US government transition in a few weeks, Obama just gave most foreign affairs policies concerning Russia to the Pentagon following the rift between the Foreign affairs department and the Pentagon after the last deal with Russia about peace in Syria failed..
SOME other Generals think the war with Russia is very likely and they were meeting with Obama to see what to do next..

American war-machine is superior to Russian war-machine in almost every aspect. A conventional conflict between the two sides would be largely one-sided in favor of the Americans. Believe it or not.

Russian doctrine is to offset American superiority in conventional spectrum through its nuclear arsenal. Therefore, Russia continues to maintain a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons.

As far as history is concerned, Americans have fought and defeated great powers in the battlefield such as British Empire, Spanish Empire, Germany and Japan. They are also masters of outwitting other states in a lengthy conflict as apparent from their victory in the Cold War.

They have defeated the Brits and the Spaniards in the US.. Without Russia they couldn't defeat Germany and Japan .. well it took a nuclear bomb ..or two! Think about it .. against Russia any use of Nukes will be responded in Kind

 

[Penguin]

A US Russia LAND Battle will happen on the continent of Europe

And that too only in the situation where Russia invades Europe

So?

DO you really think that US will send its entire Army to Europe

"Every year for nearly four decades, one-quarter of a million troops were billeted in West Germany, but by 1993 the number had dropped to 105,254. In 2000, just 69,203 American military personnel remained."

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/10/global-us-troop-deployment-1950-2003

2015 deployments: Back to Europe, Iraq, other hot spots
By: Army Times staff writers , December 27, 2014 (
https://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2014/12/27/army-deployments-2015/20861125/

Secondly the National Guard is for Homeland security

No, not really

Florida National Guard deploy to Horn of Africa
By Sgt. Christopher VannApril 14, 2016
https://www.army.mil/article/166003/florida_national_guard_deploy_to_horn_of_africa

National Guard 'Chinook' aviators prepare for Afghanistan Deployment
By Sgt. Maj. Corine LombardoJuly 14, 2016
https://www.army.mil/article/171589...k_aviators_prepare_for_afghanistan_deployment

65 Wisconsin Army National Guard soldiers deployed to Iraq, Kuwait

Posted 9:50 pm, January 4, 2016, by Katie DeLong
http://fox6now.com/2016/01/04/65-wisconsin-army-national-guard-soldiers-deployed-to-iraq-kuwait/

Use of the reserve components in support of overseas contingencies has increased significantly since September 11, 2001 and the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/ADA478163.pdf.

over 700 Guardsmen and women killed in the line of duty since 2001https://www.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/pages/casualties.xhtml
http://breakingdefense.com/2014/03/...ive-army-mg-ross-questions-guard-combat-role/

Army Guard and Reserve deployments to Europe on the rise
By JOHN VANDIVER | STARS AND STRIPES Published: January 11, 2016
http://www.stripes.com/news/army-guard-and-reserve-deployments-to-europe-on-the-rise-1.388152

Army wants more Guard, Reserve deployments in 2017
By Jared Serbu | @jserbuWFED February 29, 2016
http://federalnewsradio.com/army/2016/02/army-wants-guard-reserve-deployments-2017/

In USA there are so many Guns available and there is always the danger of law and order breaking down

Sure and we see civil unrest and armed resistance all the time .... NOT.

You are comparing a no power university general vs an acting four star general who is in command of US armed forces? Do you know that Chinese university general has no real military power?

Even PRC chairman Xi's wife , First Lady of PRC is also a general but a opera PLA general. Does she means she's in control of PLA and dictate starting war or not?

You are comparing orange to apple in this situation abt an acting 4star US general vs a no name Chinese university general and then try to claim China is acting barbaria like Americans.

The fact is people in top position in US command chain is acting more and more irrational. And China is far from barbarian like the American when comes to top of command.

Try harder.

Apparently I hit a nerve.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...threatens-to-use-military-in-south-china-sea/
http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...to-counter-offshore-security-threats-2950239/
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/05/china-warns-inevitable-war-us-over-south-china-sea/113680/

You try harder.

US generals are not in control. Even the president isn't all that powerful anymore. All decisions are made by state department, intelligence and think tanks controlled by Soros and other globalists now.

If that is so, I dont see why Beast would get so upset, or anybody here be so concerned about this general's statement.

 

[LeGenD]

They have defeated the Brits and the Spaniards in the US.. Without Russia they couldn't defeat Germany and Japan .. well it took a nuclear bomb ..or two! Think about it .. against Russia any use of Nukes will be responded in Kind

Regarding Germany:-

USSR definitely played a role in the downfall of Germany but its contribution is overrated. The American-led allied push from Normandy during 1944 forced the Germans to recommit valuable resources to the European front once again. Due to this factor, German positions in the Eastern front continued to weaken. In addition, Soviet war effort also tremendously benefited from the Lend Lease program.

Regarding Japan:-

USSR had its hands full with the Germans. Japanese were primarily contending with China and the US during WW2. However, Americans deserve full credit for defeating Japan during WW2.

 

[The SC]

Regarding Germany:-

USSR definitely played a role in the downfall of Germany but its contribution is overrated. The American-led allied push from Normandy during 1944 forced the Germans to recommit valuable resources to the European front once again. Due to this factor, German positions in the Eastern front continued to weaken. In addition, Soviet war effort also tremendously benefited from the Lend Lease program.

Regarding Japan:-

USSR had its hands full with the Germans. Japanese were primarily contending with China and the US during WW2. However, Americans deserve full credit for defeating Japan during WW2.

The Germans lost 2 millions of their best soldiers in Russia, and Russia lost 20 million man.. The US could not sustain losses like that.. And the US almost alone against those 2 million SS troops could have never set foot in Europe.

 

[YeBeWarned]

The Germans lost 2 millions of their best soldiers in Russia, and Russia lost 20 million man.. The US could not sustain losses like that.. And the US almost alone against those 2 million SS troops could have never set foot in Europe.

There is a Reason some People Refer Hitler as Stupid because he too underestimate the Russians .. and German's Paid the Price ..Without the Russians Contineously Engaging a chunck of German Forces , Tanks and Air Power with Russian the Allied and US see a Opportunity to Make their way into the Coast of France by breaking the German Defenses .. The Fire Power US have is indeed Greater but Russians are not in mood to play Games , they will lure American in Position where it suites them to Fight ..

so no matter what any fan boy thinks , the War will be devastating for both Countries and their Armed forces ,And the Benefit will go to China

 

[LeGenD]

The Germans lost 2 millions of their best soldiers in Russia, and Russia lost 20 million man.. The US could not sustain losses like that.. And the US almost alone against those 2 million SS troops could have never set foot in Europe.

So German forces committed to the European front were relatively inferior? Really?

Death toll is never a measure of success or combat efficacy in the battlefield. Much of that death toll includes civilians and conscripts, and miscalculations in tactics were also a contributing factor.

American losses were relatively much lower because they fought on their terms (they could dictate when and where to fight) and they were in a much better position to exploit weaknesses of the Third Reich than USSR. They bombarded German positions, supply lines, cities and Industrial complexes from the air with impunity, from great distances. On the ground, they pushed hard and fast enough to prevent German lines from regrouping and mounting a counter-offensive in an effective manner. Germans, by that time, had lost much of its naval and air power, and could not negate American advantages in these areas.

Recommended:

https://kansaspress.ku.edu/subjects/history-world-war-ii/978-0-7006-2209-2.html

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/allied-air-power-was-decisive-factor-in-western-europe.htm

There is a Reason some People Refer Hitler as Stupid because he too underestimate the Russians .. and German's Paid the Price ..Without the Russians Contineously Engaging a chunck of German Forces , Tanks and Air Power with Russian the Allied and US see a Opportunity to Make their way into the Coast of France by breaking the German Defenses .. The Fire Power US have is indeed Greater but Russians are not in mood to play Games , they will lure American in Position where it suites them to Fight ..

so no matter what any fan boy thinks , the War will be devastating for both Countries and their Armed forces ,And the Benefit will go to China

There is a hell of a difference between the capabilities of the Third Reich in 1940s and American War-Machine in the 21st century.

 

[Beast]

Apparently I hit a nerve.

http://www.breitbart.com/national-s...threatens-to-use-military-in-south-china-sea/
http://indianexpress.com/article/wo...to-counter-offshore-security-threats-2950239/
http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2015/05/china-warns-inevitable-war-us-over-south-china-sea/113680/

You try harder.


If that is so, I dont see why Beast would get so upset, or anybody here be so concerned about this general's statement.

Lol..

You are the one trying too hard. Maximus warrior is correct to point out between warmongering uncivilized behaviour of a acting US 4 star general talking like a thug. While you try to slander and smear Chinese ministry of defence civilise and responsible comment .

What is wrong with Chinese ministry of defence calling for safe guarding national territories and prepare for war? Did he even mention about butcher the enemy and trying to act like gang land mobster?

"The US military, despite all our challenges, will stop you, and we will beat you harder than you have ever been beaten before

“We will destroy any enemy, anywhere, any time.”

I do know your agenda and your poor level of English interpretation that cannot differential between civilise called for defending of land vs criminal barabarian invasion of beating up of others. It will not work. Maybe next time Dutch defence minster called for defending of own homeland and ask all dutch citizen to prepare. It can be consider barbaric and uncivilized. Of cos Penguin will set one standard for others and another standard for others.

Try harder

 

[forsigmar]

So?
If that is so, I dont see why Beast would get so upset, or anybody here be so concerned about this general's statement.

Nationalists of all stripes are easily agitated. Both Chinese and US.

American war-machine is superior to Russian war-machine in almost every aspect. A conventional conflict between the two sides would be largely one-sided in favor of the Americans. Believe it or not.

Russian doctrine is to offset American superiority in conventional spectrum through its nuclear arsenal. Therefore, Russia continues to maintain a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons.

As far as history is concerned, Americans have fought and defeated great powers in the battlefield such as British Empire, Spanish Empire, Germany and Japan. They are also masters of outwitting other states in a lengthy conflict as apparent from their victory in the Cold War.

If you look at the backers, i.e Mostly Jewish Freemasons,of all of these wars, you will find that US military history isn't all that dominant. US did defeat Japan. Japan had a much weaker industry and population, and was fighting, a multifront war. However, US would have lost against Soviet Union in Europe in WW2/ and most of cold war. Today Russia could win a limited land war in poland and east of poland. Russia wouldn't be able to project power anywhere else though. US ability to fight a war with Russia would need to activate a draft, and put in massive amount of ground forces to contest Russia, and casualties would be so bad, no US political leader would have the capital to agree to it. Liberals are so distrusted by the population, the war administration would collapse. Russians would however, defend their land to the death.

 

[T-Rex]

China will stay out of it.

China will try her best to stay out of it but Russia knows China can't afford to betray Russia because if Russia goes China will be next in line. This is what has made Putin so confident of Russia's alliance with China.

 

[gambit]

I didn't say Russia will win. The point is, if US and Russia want to fight a conventional war, no side can win.

This is a made up 'point'. Like it or not, the US military have a greater institutional store of warfare and combat knowledge than Russia.

If history has shown anything, US can only take on weak countries militarily.

Actually...History shown that small countries often have foolish leaders who overestimated themselves and ended up beaten.

such guy can be a general?

Yes. Your China wish it have such leaders.

You are comparing a no power university general vs an acting four star general who is in command of US armed forces? Do you know that Chinese university general has no real military power?

If you actually do basic research, as so often I have advised you guys to do so, you would not end up looking foolish.

General Mark Milley is US Army Chief of Staff, meaning he is NOT A COMBATANT COMMANDER.

http://www.defense.gov/Military-Services/Unified-Combatant-Commands

Milley, a four-star, cannot walk into any Army post and literally take over, even if the post CO is lower rank. A Chief of Staff is an administrative and advisory position, particularly to the President.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Staff_of_the_United_States_Army

While the CSA does not have operational command authority over Army forces proper...

Do you see the highlighted ?

CSA = Chief of Staff of the US Army.

A 'combatant commander' is someone who actually plans operations and leads. The CSA and other service chiefs are advisers. By virtue of long duration of service, which equals to high ranks, their experience are valuable to serve as repositories of how their respective services performs and what are needed to keep the services functional. How and when to fight in a war is reserved to the combatant commanders, who are lower ranked and in actual command of units.

Put it this way: the four-stars Milley cannot order even a private into combat.

Try harder.

Take your own advice.

 

[LeGenD]

China will try her best to stay out of it but Russia knows China can't afford to betray Russia because if Russia goes China will be next in line. This is what has made Putin so confident of Russia's alliance with China.

China has a policy of restraint in the matters of conflict; element of maturity I would say. It is due to this factor, China has not bothered to get involved in a pointless nuclear arms race with the US or Russia. China believes in minimum but credible deterrence.

Now, of-course, it is really difficult to predict what will happen if Russia is geopolitically isolated and its military capability is decimated in a strictly conventional armed conflict. China might be concerned, but China has strength of economy on its side; something that Russia doesn't have. China is a huge market and American investment in it cannot be overlooked without significant alternatives. India might emerge as a reasonable alternative in the future but this will take time.

I expect China to diffuse the situation between US and Russia should geopolitical terms reach boiling point between the latter two states. At present, it is mostly Sabre-rattling.