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what about Turko-Persian ?

Turko-Persian means Turkic tribes/nomads who adopted Persian culture.

SELJUKS were Oghuz TURKS with Turkic blood ..... nothing with Persian blood

Blood? wtf are you talking about? there is no such thing as ethnic/racial blood. Dont be stupid.

and TURKS conquered Iran ( Persia ) and Persians were our slaves ... nothing else

Our? Who the hell are you? Turks and Persians have been living in peace for over a thousand years. As an Iranian Turk, Persians are my brothers, not my slaves. Every single Turkic Dynasty in Iran embraced Persian culture and used Persian as lingua franca and in court.

-- Seljuk Bey
-- Tughril Bey
-- Chaghri Bey
-- Alp Arslan

In 1071, Alp Arslan fought the battle of Malazgirt and having defeated the Byzantine Emperor's forces in this battle opened the doors of Anatolia to the Muslim Turk

They were all Turkic Iranian rulers and have nothing to do with Turkey.

The year 1071 is considered to be the beginning of the Turks and that of Islam Anatolia. It is following this date that the Turks fully conquered the whole of Anatolia and established the Anatolian Seljuk state there as a part of the great Seljuk Empire

As I mentioned before, Turks lived in Iran long before in Turkey. The first real Turkic empire in Turkey was the Sultanate i Rum who was established by Iranian Turks.

so its my Turkish history since 209 BC

It is not your history, it is Iranian history. You are not Iranian, you are most likely not even Turk, but a Turkified Anatolian, (local population during the Byzantine Empire)

The Presidential Seal of Turkey is the official seal of the President of Turkey.
It has a large 16 pointed Sun which symbolizes the Republic of Turkey in the center, which is surrounded by 16 five-pointed stars, symbolizing the 16 Great Turkish Empires in history

and Great Seljuk Empire is one of them

Seljuk Empire was an Iranian dynasty founded by Iranian Turks who spoke Persian and adopted Persian Culture (Turko-Persian) Not a dynasty of Republic of Turkey.

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

TURKS are TURKS in Iran and in Iran 40 millions of TURKS are with Turkish culture and language

Turkish culture and language? Its Iranian culture and language. Are you so delusional that you think Iranian Turks are with Turkey instead of their own country?

Try to get this to your brain. Iranian Turks lived in Iran long before any Turk put his foot in Turkey.
 
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Turko-Persian means Turkic tribes/nomads who adopted Persian culture.



Blood? wtf are you talking about? there is no such thing as ethnic/racial blood. Dont be stupid.



Our? Who the hell are you? Turks and Persians have been living in peace for over a thousand years. As an Iranian Turk, Persians are my brothers, not my slaves. Every single Turkic Dynasty in Iran embraced Persian culture and used Persian as lingua franca and in court.



They were all Turkic Iranian rulers and have nothing to do with Turkey.



As I mentioned before, Turks lived in Iran long before in Turkey. The first real Turkic empire in Turkey was the Sultanate i Rum who was established by Iranian Turks.



It is not your history, it is Iranian history. You are not Iranian, you are most likely not even Turk, but a Turkified Anatolian, (local population during the Byzantine Empire)



Seljuk Empire was an Iranian dynasty founded by Iranian Turks who spoke Persian and adopted Persian Culture (Turko-Persian) Not a dynasty of Republic of Turkey.



Turkish culture and language? Its Iranian culture and language. Are you so delusional that you think Iranian Turks are with Turkey instead of their own country?

Try to get this to your brain. Iranian Turks lived in Iran long before any Turk put his foot in Turkey.
Dude we dont care if we were in persia before anatolia. even if they adopted certain persian cultural traits .Turkic states all over time adopted local cultures and systems to rule govern and life. We turks are proud of the previous empires before the ottomans because we know it was us ruling who created and ruled the empires. The locals were ofcourse for example persian armenian afghans etc

By your logic the current turkish republic that adopted a western system and maybe some cultural aspects is over 1000 years considered not turkish but western state? So i mean are people gonna say over 1000 years Republic of Turkey was not turkish because they ruled the country with a western system?


Seljuks are Turks.
End of discussion.
 
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Turko-Persian means Turkic tribes/nomads who adopted Persian culture

Persians were our slaves nothing else .... TURKS were great warrior and ruler in the Great Seljuk Empire

there was no even one Persian origin leader in the Great Seljuk Empire


Blood? wtf are you talking about? there is no such thing as ethnic/racial blood. Dont be stupid.

all leaders in the Great Seljuk Empire were TURKS ( Turkish blood )

-- Seljuk Bey
-- Tughril Bey
-- Chaghri Bey
-- Alp Arslan

They were all Turkic Iranian rulers and have nothing to do with Turkey.

there was no Turkey in 1040 and SELJUKS ( Alp Arslan ) conquered Anatolia in 1071 and Turkic tribes came to Anatolia from Iran


As I mentioned before, Turks lived in Iran long before in Turkey. The first real Turkic empire in Turkey was the Sultanate i Rum who was established by Iranian Turks.

what about Iranian Turks ? stop bullshit . TURKS in Iran
there are only OGUZ TURKS in Iran , in Azerbaijan , in Turkmenistan , in Turkey


Seljuk Empire was an Iranian dynasty founded by Iranian Turks who spoke Persian and adopted Persian Culture (Turko-Persian) Not a dynasty of Republic of Turkey.

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Seljuk Empire was an Turkish Dynasty in Iran and spoke Turkish
and Turkish Seljuk Dynasty from Iran conquered Anatolia and created Anatolian Seljuk State


TURKS in Iran , Turkey and Azerbaijan are same race ( OGHUZ TURKS )


its my Turkish History ...........
 
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Dude we dont care if we were in persia before anatolia. even if they adopted certain persian cultural traits .Turkic states all over time adopted local cultures and systems to rule govern and life. We turks are proud of the previous empires before the ottomans because we know it was us ruling who created and ruled the empires. The locals were ofcourse for example persian armenian afghans etc

By your logic the current turkish republic that adopted a western system and maybe some cultural aspects is over 1000 years considered not turkish but western state? So i mean are people gonna say over 1000 years Republic of Turkey was not turkish because they ruled the country with a western system?


Seljuks are Turks.
End of discussion.

Why is this even discussion? Turks are one of Irans ethnic minorities. The Turkic states that the other guy claimed to be Turkish were Iranian. its that simple. Seljuks are Turks but they are Iranian. Seljuk Empire was an Iranian dynasty not Turkish. Turkic and Turkish is not the same thing. I am Iranian and I am a Turk but I am not Turkish. End of discussion

BTW why do you say "we" ? Was your ancestors part of the turkic warriors that conquered Anatolia from Iran? How do you know your ancestors were not already in Anatolia and got Turkified later on? Or do you claim that The warrior Turks slaughtered the entire local population and repopulated entire Anatolia?
 
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Just trying to disrupt Turkish freedom , Just like a goon force is being setup on Pakistan's western front
 
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Persians were our slaves nothing else .... TURKS were great warrior and ruler in the Great Seljuk Empire

there was no even one Persian origin leader in the Great Seljuk Empire




all leaders in the Great Seljuk Empire were TURKS ( Turkish blood )

-- Seljuk Bey
-- Tughril Bey
-- Chaghri Bey
-- Alp Arslan



there was no Turkey in 1040 and SELJUKS ( Alp Arslan ) conquered Anatolia in 1071 and Turkic tribes came to Anatolia from Iran




what about Iranian Turks ? stop bullshit . TURKS in Iran
there are only OGUZ TURKS in Iran , in Azerbaijan , in Turkmenistan , in Turkey




nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Seljuk Empire was an Turkish Dynasty in Iran and spoke Turkish
and Turkish Seljuk Dynasty from Iran conquered Anatolia and created Anatolian Seljuk State


TURKS in Iran , Turkey and Azerbaijan are same race ( OGHUZ TURKS )


its my Turkish History ...........

I am glad you love my history so much that you claim it as your own.
 
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Why is this even discussion? Turks are one of Irans ethnic minorities. The Turkic states that the other guy claimed to be Turkish were Iranian. its that simple. Seljuks are Turks but they are Iranian. Seljuk Empire was an Iranian dynasty not Turkish. Turkic and Turkish is not the same thing. I am Iranian and I am a Turk but I am not Turkish. End of discussion


so what Ottomans were Anatolians ? wtf Iranians ?

Seljuks and Ottomans were same OGUZ TURKS ,,,,,, not Anatolians or Iranians

and SELJUKS ( TURKS ) were not ethnic minority ..... SELJUKS (TURKS ) were MASTERS in the Middle East
even as of 2018 Turkish population is bigger than Persian population in Iran
and in 1925 British destroyed Turkish Qajar Dynasty and gave power to Persian origin Reza Pehlavi

TURKS called themselves as Seljuks or Ottomans, not Iranians or Anatolians

and there was no Iran between 1037 and 1194 ...
Turkish GREAT SELJUK EMPIRE between 1037 and 1194 ( present day
Turkey,Iran,Iraq,Syria,Azerbaijan,Georgia,Armenia,Turkmenistan,Uzbekhstan )



its Turkish History and End of discussion

I am glad you love my history so much that you claim it as your own.

and if You are a TURK .. its also your history .... its history of the TURKS in all over the World
 
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so what Ottomans were Anatolians ? wtf Iranians ?

Seljuks and Ottomans were same OGUZ TURKS ,,,,,, not fcking Anatolians or Iranians

and SELJUKS ( TURKS ) were not ethnic minority ..... SELJUKS (TURKS ) were MASTERS in the Middle East
even as of 2018 Turkish population is bigger than Persian population in Iran
and in 1925 British destroyed Turkish Qajar Dynasty and gave power to Persian origin Reza Pehlavi

TURKS called themselves as Seljuks or Ottomans, not Iranians or Anatolians

and there was no Iran between 1037 and 1194 ...
Turkish GREAT SELJUK EMPIRE between 1037 and 1194 ( present day
Turkey,Iran,Iraq,Syria,Azerbaijan,Georgia,Armenia,Turkmenistan,Uzbekhstan )



its Turkish History and End of discussion



and if You are a TURK .. its also your history .... its history of the TURKS in all over the World

It’s not Turkish population in Iran. It’s Turkic. Turkish means exclusively from Turkey. Turkic and Turkish is not the same thing.

British didn’t destroy the Qajar Dynasty . It was the Iranian constitutional revolution that ended their rule. The leader of the constitutional revolution was Sattar Khan who was a Turk himself. Btw Qajar dynasty was not a Turkish dynasty it was a Turkic Iranian dynasty.

Yes there were Iran between 1037 and 1194. It was called Persia.

Seljuks are Iranian. Seljuk Empire was an Iranian Empire not Turkish.
 
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Seljuks were Turks.

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My Azeri friend, there is nothing called "Wahhabism". It is an imaginary word that describes Hanbali Muslims (1 of the 4 traditional Sunni Madahib) which not even the majority of the people in KSA follows.

Islam itself originates from modern-day KSA as does "Sunni Islam", "Shia Islam" and Sufism.

Secondly please don't talk about Islam in the context of Arabs and in particular Saudi Arabians since modern-day KSA is the cradle of Islam and 90% of all the most important Islamic/Muslim personalities originate from KSA or are Arabs. Hijazi dynasties (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimid) ruled the Islamic world from the very beginning to 1517. Almost 1000 years. 90% of the Islamic conquests were made by the ancestors of modern-day Arabs and in particular Saudi Arabians.

Thirdly, did I mention anything in my post that was not factual? Many Turks and neutral observers agree with me.

As for the West, last time I checked it is Turkey, not KSA, that is a member of NATO. Last time I checked it is Turkey that is almost totally dependent on trade with the West (EU) and not KSA.

Whatever Turkey does, Erdogan should learn from his many mistakes in Syria and elsewhere. Take inspiration of how Arabs in Iraq dealt with the Kurds recently.





Salah ad-Din had nothing Turkish/Turkic about him. We was of Kurdish and distant Arab ancestry and he was born on Arab land and was an Arabized Kurd. All of his descandnets today are Arabs and they live in modern-day KSA and Jordan.

Most of the soldiers that fought against the Crusaders and Mongols were LOCAL Arabs defending their ancient ancestral lands. A few 1000 Turkic arrivals (that modern-day Anatolians have very little to do with genetically (a well-established fact), is not going to change anything here.

Ibn Taymiyyah described this period in detail and he is the best source out there.

As for Mamluks (they were former slaves of Arabs) and mostly of Caucasian (Circassian and Georgian) origin, not Turkic. They only dominated the military but the Abbasids still retained the religious and bureaucratic power. The armies were a mixture of Arabs, Mamluks (mainly Caucasian) and Turkic people.





Funny how a bunch of foreigners (Anatolians in this case that have little to do with Arabs and real Turkic people) try to portray history differently in regions that are not their own.

As for Erdogan he has screwed up time and time again and I am not going to change my opinion in this regard unless I see the ground realities change. His lack of action created the mess that Turkey is now facing.

Anyway I don't bother with such discussions with foreigners. You can claim that Arabs played no role at all in their own lands. However only complete and utter ignorant idiots would even remotely believe such a claim.:lol:

Next time go claim that the Arabic-speaking and Arabized Salah ad-Din had no Arab soldiers when all the battles were fought on Arab land.:lol:

BTW my opinion about Kurdish terrorists in Iraq and Syria is well-known so I am not pro-Kurd here or in any other situation unless they are fighting directly against their cousins (Iranian Mullah's).

First of all, thanks for replying nice, appreciate it...
Second of all, you Arabs should take advantage of what Erdogan does right now to save Arabs, instead of being computer warrior.. Actually Turkey was doing good with Europe and Israel as it was Turkey who save Jews from Spain king but Erdogan was againts their acts in Palestine and said it without afraid.. it was also him who fighted with Asad for kiling his Arabic people even though he had good relations with him and he knew that it will take Turkish economy down.
I really feel crazy when i see an Arab come here and talk bad about him. Its the real stabbing from behind.. instead of being real and talking about his king who is next to Israel.. wth is that?
The advantage of Turkish people i think is if we think that government does bad, we just say it. You can see even here that some people against Erdogan, thats normal. Thats what brings the conversation and support reasons. Thats actually how Erdogan became great leader, as he just fixed all attitudes towards people mind..

On the other hand, without Erdogans approval, Irag wouldnt dear to attack, we saw it before. Also, kurds are sooo stupid that think 3 million people can stand against 80 millions Iran and Turkey, plus 30 million Irag. I also like that Irag didnt use any air force against them as they had left no excuse...
Actually you guys just have to be thankful to turkey that you still speak arabic. Show me any country in Russian occupation that stayed more than 200 years and kept their languages. They killed all those smart and nationalistic people. Even my grandpas were one of those..

You just dont understand that for Erdogan their is no nation, Arab or Turk. He thinks all muslims are brothers and thats how really he manage everything in Turkey and everywhere.. he helps more Arabic people even than Turkish Azerbaijan, but we are ok with that.. my saying is, you better take advantage of Erdogan and be thankful.. otherwise, any other Turkish president might turn Yemen war to a disastrous for GCC, for helping Kurds against Turkey.. sometimes i really wish he eventually does specially to Dubai, they talk like shit recently..
 
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Its my History
SELJUKS were 100% of TURKS and nothing with Persians

TURKS ( Ghaznavids,,Seljuks,,Safavid-Afsharid-Qajar Dynasties ) conquered Iran ( Persia) in the 10. century and ruled until 1925

so Seljuks-Ottomans were 100% of TURKS ( Turkish Dynasties ) and ruled Persians,Kurds,Arabs,Jews,etc in the Middle East

Even Safavids first king Shah Ismail Khetai made the Turkish language main language.. he wrote poems in Turkish.. who actually spreaded Shia Origin of Islam to attract army to go against Ag qoyunlular(Uzun Hasan) which means white ships, long Hasan who was 220cm according to some sources
 
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Turks like Kurds, persians and Balouch and ...... are one of the Iranian tribe and people so simple.
please stop insulting your brothers like calling them slave.
 
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Anyway I tell you what's the most logical step for Turkey. Yankees betrayed us and now we will betray them by closing eye to Assad regime for a while longer. Under an agreement we will drive Kurds to hell with Syrian Army after they are defeated we can be enemies again. Sounds dirty and I like it.
In what ways has Assad's regime affected Turkey?
 
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My Azeri friend, there is nothing called "Wahhabism". It is an imaginary word that describes Hanbali Muslims (1 of the 4 traditional Sunni Madahib) which not even the majority of the people in KSA follows.

Islam itself originates from modern-day KSA as does "Sunni Islam", "Shia Islam" and Sufism.

Secondly please don't talk about Islam in the context of Arabs and in particular Saudi Arabians since modern-day KSA is the cradle of Islam and 90% of all the most important Islamic/Muslim personalities originate from KSA or are Arabs. Hijazi dynasties (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimid) ruled the Islamic world from the very beginning to 1517. Almost 1000 years. 90% of the Islamic conquests were made by the ancestors of modern-day Arabs and in particular Saudi Arabians.

Thirdly, did I mention anything in my post that was not factual? Many Turks and neutral observers agree with me.

As for the West, last time I checked it is Turkey, not KSA, that is a member of NATO. Last time I checked it is Turkey that is almost totally dependent on trade with the West (EU) and not KSA.

Whatever Turkey does, Erdogan should learn from his many mistakes in Syria and elsewhere. Take inspiration of how Arabs in Iraq dealt with the Kurds recently.





Salah ad-Din had nothing Turkish/Turkic about him. We was of Kurdish and distant Arab ancestry and he was born on Arab land and was an Arabized Kurd. All of his descandnets today are Arabs and they live in modern-day KSA and Jordan.

Most of the soldiers that fought against the Crusaders and Mongols were LOCAL Arabs defending their ancient ancestral lands. A few 1000 Turkic arrivals (that modern-day Anatolians have very little to do with genetically (a well-established fact), is not going to change anything here.

Ibn Taymiyyah described this period in detail and he is the best source out there.

As for Mamluks (they were former slaves of Arabs) and mostly of Caucasian (Circassian and Georgian) origin, not Turkic. They only dominated the military but the Abbasids still retained the religious and bureaucratic power. The armies were a mixture of Arabs, Mamluks (mainly Caucasian) and Turkic people.





Funny how a bunch of foreigners (Anatolians in this case that have little to do with Arabs and real Turkic people) try to portray history differently in regions that are not their own.

As for Erdogan he has screwed up time and time again and I am not going to change my opinion in this regard unless I see the ground realities change. His lack of action created the mess that Turkey is now facing.

Anyway I don't bother with such discussions with foreigners. You can claim that Arabs played no role at all in their own lands. However only complete and utter ignorant idiots would even remotely believe such a claim.[emoji38]

Next time go claim that the Arabic-speaking and Arabized Salah ad-Din had no Arab soldiers when all the battles were fought on Arab land.[emoji38]

BTW my opinion about Kurdish terrorists in Iraq and Syria is well-known so I am not pro-Kurd here or in any other situation unless they are fighting directly against their cousins (Iranian Mullah's).
Hahaha you are actually funny. I suggest you watch those videos you sent yourself because I watched them before.

The rest of the stuff you said is just your usual paragraphs of rubbish.
 
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It’s not Turkish population in Iran. It’s Turkic. Turkish means exclusively from Turkey. Turkic and Turkish is not the same thing.

British didn’t destroy the Qajar Dynasty . It was the Iranian constitutional revolution that ended their rule. The leader of the constitutional revolution was Sattar Khan who was a Turk himself. Btw Qajar dynasty was not a Turkish dynasty it was a Turkic Iranian dynasty.

Yes there were Iran between 1037 and 1194. It was called Persia.

Seljuks are Iranian. Seljuk Empire was an Iranian Empire not Turkish


there are 40 million of TURKS in Iran
and I am saying again TURKS in Turkey ,Iran Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan are OGHUZ TURKS

TURKS in Kazakhstan , Kyrgyzstan also Tatars , Bashkirs are KIPCHAK TURKS

and British helped Persian origin Reza Pehlavi to destroy Turkish Qajar Dynasty in 1925

and there was no Persia between 1037 and 1194 ... it was called Great Seljuk Empire between 1037 and 1194

and Seljuk Dynasty was Turkish in Iran and Anatolia
and Seljuk Dynasty was ancestor of the Ottoman Dynasty

TURKS created 16 great Empires in 3 Continents ( in Central Asia-China , India , Iran , Anatolia , Egypt , Arabian Peninsula and Europe ) in the last 2500 years
 
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