USA attacked 70 countries since its birth 1776.

[Rasengan]

The fair index would be millions of death per year of existence to correct for the different time periods, plus adding the two major communist countries together to compare to USA, in view of your claim.

But that's 2 vs 1. That can't be fair. I guess you need to even out the odds I'm talking about a country with the same empire interfering in other countries business causing more damage than good. You do know the CPC were at odds with the Soviet Union? They weren't buddies, so how can you lump them together. Plus, didn't you agree with me early, how America is a badass country in conducting its national interests?

It is not. But am sure it is more than yours.

Why do I need a library when I have the internet to read books. It's more practical Thank you for telling me how wise you are. I will seek your counsel in the future

 

[VCheng]

But that's 2 vs 1. That can't be fair. I guess you need to even out the odds I'm talking about a country with the same empire interfering in other countries business causing more damage than good. You do know the CPC were at odds with the Soviet Union? They weren't buddies, so how can you lump them together. Plus, didn't you agree with me early, how America is a badass country in conducting its national interests?

Buddies or not, they are both communists. You made a claim that is simply FALSE.

May I suggest you take back your claim?

 

[gambit]

Why do I need a library when I have the internet to read books.

That is why you are flailing in this debate. And if you do not understand why, that is even further proof. You claimed that US interference in other countries is the worst the world have ever seen, and yet you offered nothing to support that charge. Not much to think about you, pal.

 

[Rasengan]

That is why you are flailing in this debate. And if you do not understand why, that is even further proof. You claimed that US interference in other countries is the worst the world have ever seen, and yet you offered nothing to support that charge. Not much to think about you, pal.

Somebody work up from the wrong side of the bed. You need to take a chill pill, it will loosen you up Why do you need to think about me? I suggest you click on some other site for such activities. You wanted an example I gave you one. The US has conducted more wars than any other country since 1776, so that alone speaks volume in how much you interfere in other nations business. You intervene in Iran during the 50s, then the Ayatollah came and he gave you the middle finger. You can continue to live in wonderland, but one day the tables will turn just like in Hunger Games.

Buddies or not, they are both communists. You made a claim that is simply FALSE.

May I suggest you take back your claim?

Then we should include all the democratic countries by that definition with America I must respectfully decline in taking back my claim.

 

[VCheng]

Then we should include all the democratic countries by that definition with America I must respectfully decline in taking back my claim.

Sure, we can do it that way, but that is not what you claimed earlier. Then we also need to include all other nations and empires, and not just for an arbitrary period just to suit your personal prejudice. Even if you persist with your claim as originally posted above, it is still proven wrong. But then again, please do not facts get in the way of your bias. It does not affect reality in any way.

 

[nahtanbob]

Somebody work up from the wrong side of the bed. You need to take a chill pill, it will loosen you up Why do you need to think about me? I suggest you click on some other site for such activities. You wanted an example I gave you one. The US has conducted more wars than any other country since 1776, so that alone speaks volume in how much you interfere in other nations business. You intervene in Iran during the 50s, then the Ayatollah came and he gave you the middle finger. You can continue to live in wonderland, but one day the tables will turn just like in Hunger Games.

what you do not say is that US pressured the Shah in the late 1970s on human rights

how many times has pakistan gone begging for help to USA ?

 

[VCheng]

how many times has pakistan gone begging for help to USA ?

Like most international geopolitics, the street is two-way. How many times has USA sought Pakistan's help?

 

[gambit]

The US has conducted more wars than any other country since 1776,...

So WW II was a bad war. Same for the Korean War that ended with the current SKR. The Vietnam War was a lost but according to Lee Kwan Yew, the US gave the rest of Asia time to resist an aggressive China.

100,000,000 deaths from Marxism. Cannot handle that, can ya?

 

[Rasengan]

So WW II was a bad war. Same for the Korean War that ended with the current SKR. The Vietnam War was a lost but according to Lee Kwan Yew, the US gave the rest of Asia time to resist an aggressive China.

100,000,000 deaths from Marxism. Cannot handle that, can ya?

I'm going to repeat this the third time. I know its difficult due to the nature of your one-dimensional thought process but read it carefully I have never denied the death toll under Marxism, so I don't know why you are parroting the same line. I shouldn't be hard on you. Weren't you a war veteran? I guess the communist must have scrambled your brains in Vietnam

Why would I regard WW2 a bad war? My grandfather and his three cousins participated in the war. The Korean war could be justified but the brutality used by the American's in bombing Korea and killing innocent people was wrong. China for all its faults isn't invading or interfering in other people's countries but America is. Cannot handle that, can ya?

Sure, we can do it that way, but that is not what you claimed earlier. Then we also need to include all other nations and empires, and not just for an arbitrary period just to suit your personal prejudice. Even if you persist with your claim as originally posted above, it is still proven wrong. But then again, please do not facts get in the way of your bias. It does not affect reality in any way.

What did I claim earlier? If you read my post carefully, the logic is really simple. America has been an empire since 1776, we know this because Trump is the 43rd US President. You can't include all the Chinese dynasties as they were separate entities. The Tang dynasty had nothing to do with the Song dynasty. Furthermore, China and the Soviet Union were separate countries and they weren't even allies after Khrushchev came to power. But more importantly, communism isn't a country its an ideology. It would make more sense to compare the death toll of democracy vs Communism.

 

[Microsoft]

I'm going to repeat this the third time. I know its difficult due to the nature of your one-dimensional thought process but read it carefully I have never denied the death toll under Marxism, so I don't know why you are parroting the same line.

Forgive him. Most Americans are like this they think because others commit evil deeds it gives them license to do it and advertise others' deeds while accepting their own as "oh collateral damage"

 

[Rasengan]

Forgive him. Most Americans are like this they think because others commit evil deeds it gives them license to do it and advertise others' deeds while accepting their own as "oh collateral damage"

It's tough work, I have repeated this answer three times, but he still keeps bringing up the death toll under Communism as if I'm denying its existence. The original question was related to America interefeing in other countries business and making that country a pothole. Obviously, this has some merit since they have conducted more wars than any other state since 1776.

 

[VCheng]

What did I claim earlier?

You claimed this:

You keep mentioning the communists. I have already agreed they have murdered millions of people. But American still takes pole position. In the Olympics, we have gold, silver and bronze medal. The US gets gold.

Your claim the America takes pole position compared to the millions murdered by the Communists is simply FALSE. Would you like to try and prove it again?

 

[Microsoft]

It's tough work, I have repeated this answer three times, but he still keeps bringing up the death toll under Communism as if I'm denying its existence. The original question was related to America interefeing in other countries business and making that country a pothole. Obviously, this has some merit since they have conducted more wars than any other state since 1776.

Believe me they love doing that you can't show them the mirror no matter how hard you try. This is only for the blind nationalists like the ones you'll run into on PDF. It's just the culture you can find this in presidents, other members of government, military, etc. Just have a look at a former president's words:

This is him talking about the shooting down of an Iranian commercial airliner 290 civilians on board, 66 children. I was in a thread on a different website about this (the anniversary is on Jul 3) and you can find blind nationalists, like the one above, a dime a dozen.

Don't get me wrong there are very good people too but there has been what seems to be a resurgence in nationalism.

 

[gambit]

I have never denied the death toll under Marxism,...

Then under what mechanism can you declare -- with any degree of validity -- that the US is worse? The 100,000,000 deaths cannot come unless there were interventions by those who believed in Marxism. So if 100,000,000 deaths figure is pretty much de facto standard for atrocity inflicted, you have to show a greater figure of deaths from US interventions. The issue we are trying to establish from you is not whether you can dispute that 100,000,000 deaths figure or not, but whether you can provide a greater death figure from US. Can you do that?

 

[Respect4Respect01]

Nope. USA is free to pursue its own national interests as best as it can, just as any other country.

what i understood from your comments is that its okay to invade any country and kill civilians for national interests, but that is against human rights, and your country is guilty of that.
I don't have any problem with pursuing national interests as long as innocent people are not killed, and i hope next superpower nation actually works for betterment of the world rather than destroying it for "national interests".