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US will go for other states after Iran and Iraq, says Margolis

What a stu_id discussion. firstly US will attack iran and then Pakistan. i tell u one thing. forget abt iran conflict abt ten years. cuz we have seen how capable US army is in recent conflicts. their performance against countries (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) having no airforce, no navy and no modern army is before us. And talking abt attacking iran is another rhetoric sort of thing. and about Pakistan surley will become the graveyard of another super power. I will just say that they dont know us.
 
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tahirkhely said:
What a stu_id discussion. firstly US will attack iran and then Pakistan. i tell u one thing. forget abt iran conflict abt ten years. cuz we have seen how capable US army is in recent conflicts. their performance against countries (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) having no airforce, no navy and no modern army is before us. And talking abt attacking iran is another rhetoric sort of thing. and about Pakistan surley will become the graveyard of another super power. I will just say that they dont know us.

What makes you think they wont learn from their mistakes???And also remember its a small part of the US force thats doing the fighting.They used 150,000 foot soldiers to defeat a entire antion,ofcourse with the help of Airforce.

Id US goes against any country other than russia,with full force then god alone can help them.
 
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i think (with my sincere apologize) US will never commit suicide by attacking any country with regular armed forces(whether nuclear or unnuclear). Keep in mind the results of previous campaigns. I will again say it will be a suicide by US.
Rather, it will continue to follow its policies in more agressive manner, like firstly, bleeding the economies of hostile opponents with the help of security council sanctions and IAEA sort of stuff(for our country Pakistan). Secondly , making sure that they (enemies) are brought to the verge of collapsing and then giving them a full blooded punch with its advance weaponry.
Taking on Pakistan or Iran right now is a bit suicide sort of thing.
 
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tahirkhely said:
Rather, it will continue to follow its policies in more agressive manner, like firstly, bleeding the economies of hostile opponents .

They are doign that already by keeping the oil prices high,rememebr what sword told abt high opil prices and the gulf campaign and the impact on emergingmarkets.



tahirkhely said:
Taking on Pakistan or Iran right now is a bit suicide sort of thing.

Immeditae threat is on iran.I dont think so its going to be more difficult than iraq.
 
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I will qualifiy myself here. I find the quality of South Asian news articles quoting other sources to be extremely of low value. Every single time I reference the original article, it does not even come close to what the South Asian article is implying.

That being said, Eric Margolis is a well known hack in Canada. He writes for the Sun Newspapers and his facts might as well be toilet paper.

A simple fact for you Gents. This is Bush Jr's last term as President.
 
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Officer of Engineers said:
I will qualifiy myself here.
That being said, Eric Margolis is a well known hack in Canada. He writes for the Sun Newspapers and his facts might as well be toilet paper.

Can you provide us with some proof that Eric Margolis is a "hack" ? ...or are you just fustrated because he doesnt write blatantly pro indian trash articles that appear in some news rags?
 
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I really don't care about his views of South Asia. I'm Canadian. The most obvious is his support of the ethnic Albanians during the Kosovo War; never mentioning that they were just as bad bunch of thugs as the Serbs. The only difference was that the Serbs got bigger guns.

Even this article is full of holes. There is absolutely no guarrantee that the next President of the United States will carry on the same policies as Bush Jr. In fact, it's pretty well certain that Bush's policies will end with his Presidency no matter which party goes in. The majority of the voters are tired of war but will continue as a matter of course. There is no stomache for new wars.
 
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Here's one


Rumsfeld feels heat
By ERIC MARGOLIS

In 53 BC, Consul Marcus Licinius Crassus, Rome’s co-ruler with Pompey and Caesar, sought military glory and political primacy by launching an invasion of the Parthian Empire. His only previous military experience was crushing the great slave revolt led by Spartacus.

Ignoring cautionary advice from his generals, Crassus led his army deep into the wastes of western Iraq. A local chieftain, secretly working for Parthia, assured Crassus he would be greeted as a liberator, and the Parthian army would flee.

At Carrhae, close to where U.S. Marines were fighting in Iraq’s Anbar province this week, Crassus’ plodding army was outmanoeuvred and annihilated by Parthian mailed knights and horse archers, whose deadly arrow fire gave posterity the wonderful term for a parting zinger, “Parthian shaft.”

Carrhae, one of Rome’s worst defeats, bears many resemblances to America’s modern debacle in Iraq. The Bush administration showed the same arrogance and ignorance as Crassus, ignoring expert advice while heeding disinformation from those with hidden agendas.

Recently, six retired American generals stunned the nation by publicly accusing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld of “arrogance and mismanagement” in the Iraq war. The White House and Pentagon unleashed a massive PR counterattack.

The most devastating criticism came from Marine Lt. General Gregory Newbold: “Commitment of our forces to this fight was done with the casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute these missions — or bury the results.” Meaning superhawks President George Bush and VP Dick Cheney. Semper fi, General!

Retired Marine general Anthony Zinni blasted Rumsfeld and the conduct of the war which he repeatedly warned would produce an Iraq far more dangerous than one under Saddam. Former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski joined the fray, saying the aggression against Iraq has led to “delegitimization” of America across the world.

Humiliating defeat

Having served in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam era, I recall vividly how another arrogant secretary of defense with a poor understanding of military science, Robert McNamara, led America to a humiliating defeat in Indochina. The generals should have taken him on then, but remained mute.

Today, no Washington official will yet admit it, but the U.S. has suffered a major strategic defeat in Iraq by failing to achieve its political objective of turning it into an obedient colony. The generals’ revolt reflects this unspoken fact and is clearly intended to lay blame for the Iraq fiasco where it belongs — the White House. These patriots are not going to suffer another Robert McNamara in silence.

Once the “who lost Iraq?” cry goes up, the White House will try to blame the military — just as it sought to lay blame on CIA for so-called “intelligence failures” over Iraq’s non-existent WMDs. America’s soldiers are not going to be framed for a war many opposed.

Rumsfeld has become a lightning rod for military opponents and the fast-growing numbers of Americans fed up with Bush’s war. Republicans and military men who cannot bring themselves to openly criticize Bush and Cheney’s policies in Iraq find Don Rumsfeld a handy whipping boy.

So they rebuke Rumsfeld for failing to provide enough U.S. troops to pacify Iraq, and lack of post-invasion plans. He is guilty, on both counts. But these are lesser failings.

As a longtime admirer of Rumsfeld, I was deeply dismayed he did not refuse to send American soldiers into an illegal and calamitous colonial war.

To preserve what honour he retains, Rumsfeld should admit the war was wrong and resign.

I have absolutely no idea where he got the idea the generals were against the war. They are against how Rumsfeld was micro-managing the war. And where was Margolis when the famous Rumsfeld-Powell fued erupted. Gen Powell was against the war, at least delaying it and argueing for larger numbers. Rumsfeld was pro-war.
 
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Neo said:
Prash,Its widely believed that US has some kind of plan to secure Pak nukes in case it falls to islamists or to some rogue general.

welll they dont know abt our system and every bug head is out there just to hilight those biase reports that what if nukes fell into islamists'hand ??

well the islamists are not that stronger here its just the US policies have made them against it.
As i live in a part where the islamists are more in numbers but i know and others also know the worth of these peopel.
the western countries and their media had made them a giant wlthough they dont have power and any access to nukes not even the head of our country has the access to these.
So its mere propoganda as Musharraf or no Musharraf our system of nukes is safe enough.
By the way why would US need to attack :) as she needs us
 
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Jana said:
welll they dont know abt our system and every bug head is out there just to hilight those biase reports that what if nukes fell into islamists'hand ??

well the islamists are not that stronger here its just the US policies have made them against it.
As i live in a part where the islamists are more in numbers but i know and others also know the worth of these peopel.
the western countries and their media had made them a giant wlthough they dont have power and any access to nukes not even the head of our country has the access to these.
So its mere propoganda as Musharraf or no Musharraf our system of nukes is safe enough.
By the way why would US need to attack :) as she needs us

well i dont believe that that islamists are weak in pakistan,but then other than the same press reports and studies that all of us have read i dont have any other proof with me to prove it.

But u being speaking from the ground,these views are confidence inspiring.

And also US atack scenario wont work out now,but then if nukes fall into woring hands definiltly they will move in.

OHHh and before u pounce on me for thisremarks let me clarify- they will have similar plans for any other country for eg like India or Russia.
 
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Jana said:
welll they dont know abt our system and every bug head is out there just to hilight those biase reports that what if nukes fell into islamists'hand ??

well the islamists are not that stronger here its just the US policies have made them against it.
As i live in a part where the islamists are more in numbers but i know and others also know the worth of these peopel.
the western countries and their media had made them a giant wlthough they dont have power and any access to nukes not even the head of our country has the access to these.
So its mere propoganda as Musharraf or no Musharraf our system of nukes is safe enough.
By the way why would US need to attack :) as she needs us


Jana, these veiws are screamed out by the indians to show their fustrations over the Pak-US engagement on the WOT. when their pm went to Washington DC.....he went on his little tirade on Pakistans Nukes falling into the wrong hands to the media and the Bush Administration. !!

These antics are repeated whenever the world community turns up the heat on india for its Nuclear help to Iraq and now Iran as well as its ill intentions against all its neighbours. It will have to forgo future nuclear testing now if it wants the Nuclear Deal with the US.
 
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RAPTOR said:
Jana, these veiws are screamed out by the indians to show their fustrations over the Pak-US engagement on the WOT. when their pm went to Washington DC.....he went on his little tirade on Pakistans Nukes falling into the wrong hands to the media and the Bush Administration. !!

These antics are repeated whenever the world community turns up the heat on india for its Nuclear help to Iraq and now Iran as well as its ill intentions against all its neighbours. It will have to forgo future nuclear testing now if it wants the Nuclear Deal with the US.

u cant accuse indians of doing their work, to meet their interests and demands.
 
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Officer of Engineers said:
I have absolutely no idea where he got the idea the generals were against the war. They are against how Rumsfeld was micro-managing the war. And where was Margolis when the famous Rumsfeld-Powell fued erupted. Gen Powell was against the war, at least delaying it and argueing for larger numbers. Rumsfeld was pro-war.


Some of the Generals actually were against the war, as is now evident by the public statements by retired Generals. Powell and Armitage were againt the Rumsfeld and cheney evil cabal that began in the Ford Administration. He also said that Rum/cheney are holding the Pentagon hostage and have turned the US armed forces into the greatest Zionist Power the world has ever seen.
 
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RAPTOR said:
Some of the Generals actually were against the war, as is now evident by the public statements by retired Generals.

Name one.

RAPTOR said:
Powell and Armitage were againt the Rumsfeld and cheney evil cabal that began in the Ford Administration. He also said that Rum/cheney are holding the Pentagon hostage and have turned the US armed forces into the greatest Zionist Power the world has ever seen.

That is a whole bunch of crap. I know General Powell. I've met him. He is not an anti-semite nor does he believe that Israel runs the US.
 
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