US warns Pakistan of ‘multiple repercussions’

[gubbi]

The intervention in Bosnia and Kosova was more about fighting a proxy war with the Soviets/Russians than helping Muslims per se.

Where did you get THAT information? Didnt you know that SU was already falling apart and Russia was holding on dearly to its territories to save itself? It was the genocides in the Yugoslav wars which prompted NATO action.

 

[Secur]

It is not a question of whether Pakistan opens up the routes but how soon........

Do we have a variety of jokers here ?

Wasn't exactly the same being said by your lot 6 months ago too ? Do you notice any change ?

 

[Developereo]

Where did you get THAT information? Didnt you know that SU was already falling apart and Russia was holding on dearly to its territories to save itself? It was the genocides in the Yugoslav wars which prompted NATO action.

No it was not. The Russians were committed to helping their fellow slavic Serbs, no matter what. The US actions were designed to signal the Russians that the US would oppose their slavic proxies. The Europeans were mostly sitting around twiddling their thumbs as usual, hoping the US would take the lead, which it did.

The fact that the Serbs were committing genocide only made it easier for the US to justify the NATO actions.

 

[Coltsfan]

The intervention in Bosnia and Kosova was more about fighting a proxy war with the Soviets/Russians than helping Muslims per se.

Soviets in the 1990s? What history books are they teaching in local madarasas now a days?

Why would US fight a proxy war with Russians when they had already defeated them in cold war........ and when Russia was tethering on edge of bankruptcy?

Your blind hatred against USA makes you deny the good things US did by saving muslim lives.....

 

[Developereo]

Soviets in the 1990s? What history books are they teaching in local madarasas now a days?

Why would US fight a proxy war with Russians when they had already defeated them in cold war........ and when Russia was tethering on edge of bankruptcy?

Your blind hatred against USA makes you deny the good things US did by saving muslim lives.....

More madrassa nonsense. It you are ashamed of your ignorance, just admit it instead of making an imbecile of yourself.

I wrote Soviets/Russians because NATO opposed Soviet/Russian proxy slavs in Europe throughout the 20th century. Tensions within Soviet satellite states existed even during the Soviet days and NATO exploited them.

 

[gubbi]

No it was not. The Russians were committed to helping their fellow slavic Serbs, no matter what. The US actions were designed to signal the Russians that the US would oppose their slavic proxies.

There were hundreds examples of such interference by both sides during the height of the cold-war. And yet, never did NATO interfere with the 'cold-war' games. Yet, when it came to the Yugoslav wars, NATO intervened.

The fact that the Serbs were committing genocide only made it easier for the US to justify the NATO actions.

There, you spelt it out. Yet in your previous post, you smack of hatred, refusing to accept the altruistic nature of NATO's intervention.

 

[khanz]

desperate people getting more desperate by the day pakistan really is squeezing their balls keep up the good work people

 

[Secur]

Ha, good old "strategy"! Apparently the meaning seems to be lost upon you. Anywho, if you'd care to read up history of the region, you would know that neither the British nor the Maharaja of Kashmir had actual control over that forsaken area. China did not militarily "win" Aksai Chin. Demchok is under Indian control, just FYI.
As for Arunachal Pradesh, it was indeed a military humiliation for India - an act of paranoia by Mao who was convinced that SU, US and India had expansionist agenda vis-a-vis China. However, if they claimed AP why is that they went back into their barracks immediately after the world's attention was relieved when Cuban crisis was resolved? Cold feet, eh? And oh, there was no ceasefire 'agreement' by the belligerants. China unilaterally declared ceasefire when the Cuban missile crisis was over and pulled back its troops. And you call that a "victory"? Noice standards, you have there kid.
India, otoh, stopped Chinese aggression during both 67 and 87 incidents. Due to Indian action, China knew it would be prudent to contain the skirmish and realized it was in its best interest not to aggravate the situation. Objectives achieved for India.

Yeah , Good old strategy so the USSR doesn't open another front and comes to the rescue ! Nice planning , huh ?
Could have explained the meaning of strategy then if it seemed to be lost upon me
Really ? I am sure that Maharaja had no power over any part of Kashmir after signing the Instrument of Accession ... Are you telling me that IA wasn't there in Aksai Chin for the whole time ? You left it on God to guard it ? And if it wasn't taken militarily , how was it lost ? Did the Chinese just walk in and faced no resistance ? Yeah , I am well aware of the " unilateral ceasefire " declared by Beijing ... But then again , it is unbinding ... If you were so keen to fight and liberate your areas , why did you accept it and sat quietly ? Cold feet ? I think the Indians had cold feet putting up absolutely zero resistance and loosing all those areas and allowing PLA to march upto Tezpur ... The CCP considered Aksai Chin as its area having been unfairly awarded to the Maharaja by the British ... Chinese achieved their objectives and withdrew ... They gained the highly strategic area in Kashmir ... What should i call it ? Defeat ?

Chinese aggression in '67 and '87 ? I think you need to look up the meaning of the word before using it up with some minor skirmishes and incidents ...

FYI , The Chinese claim on AP is as recent as 84 ...

In the 1962 Sino-Indian War, China seized a Switzerland-sized area, Aksai Chin (Aksayqin), and overran Arunachal Pradesh (an Indian state the size of Austria). There are also other, smaller pockets of disputed area.[1] The PRC withdrew from virtually all of Arunachal Pradesh to the Line of Actual Control (LAC), which approximates the McMahon Line that is found in a 1914 agreement initialed by British, Tibetan, and Chinese representatives.[2] - International Boundary Consultants

 

[Developereo]

There were hundreds examples of such interference by both sides during the height of the cold-war. And yet, never did NATO interfere with the 'cold-war' games. Yet, when it came to the Yugoslav wars, NATO intervened.

There, you spelt it out. Yet in your previous post, you smack of hatred, refusing to accept the altruistic nature of NATO's intervention.

Resorting to hyperboles like 'hate' and 'madrassas' is expected when you guys fail on facts.

During the 'hundreds' of such incidents, the covert proxy wars were ongoing. The whole point about Bosnia/Kosova is that the scale of the Serb atrocities gave NATO cause to engage Russia's slavic proxies up front, with full UN and public support.

 

[gubbi]

Are you telling me that IA wasn't there in Aksai Chin for the whole time ? You left it on God to guard it ? And if it wasn't taken militarily , how was it lost ? Did the Chinese just walk in and faced no resistance ?

Yes. China was already present militarily when India started demanding withdrawal of Chinese troops. Read up.

the CCP considered Aksai Chin as its area having been unfairly awarded to the Maharaja by the British

CCP's claim of Aksai Chin is based on their claim of Tibet. Aksai Chin was a part of Xinxing province and a warlord had comissioned the Soviets to map the area. British grew wary and came up with Johnson line which infact was criticized by the British themselves! Historically its Tibet territory.

... Chinese achieved their objectives and withdrew ... They gained the highly strategic area in Kashmir ... What should i call it ? Defeat ?

What objectives? Aksai Chin was already under Chinese control. AP is NOT, and their claim on AP is as old as that of Aksai Chin. So victroy according to you is marching into enemy territory and pulling troops back into the barracks? No wonder many Pakistanis consider Kargil a victory! Good, keep it up.

Chinese aggression in '67 and '87 ? I think you need to look up the meaning of the word before using it up with some minor skirmishes and incidents ...

Lol. The fact that you ignore IA's actions which led to the containment of the conflict is ridiculous to say the least.

FYI , The Chinese claim on AP is as recent as 84 ...

BS.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

You can also add N Korea, and the list of countries being ruled by dictators would go on........

The U.S. is the global dictatorship of the world, North Korea doesn't even come close when it comes to dictatorships. There is no democracy in the West in case you thought there was.

What was the name of the country that came to the rescue when Muslims were being massacred in Bosnia? Apparently that wasn't the "right thing to do".........

The name of that imperialist and aggressive rogue state is the U.S. That "intervention" had absolutely NOTHING to do whatsoever with saving Bosnians or "humanity". Frankly, you sound rather immature and ignorant about the harsh realities of international politics and in particular aggressive western imperialism. Buy some of William Blum's books and you might learn the truth behind all those wars and conflicts. Trust me, the U.S. has never "intervened" in order to save others or for "humanitarian" causes.

 

[gubbi]

Resorting to hyperboles like 'hate' and 'madrassas' is expected when you guys fail on facts.

The hatred is clear for everyone to see. You conveniently ignore that NATO actions saved Muslims lives and give its quarrel with the erstwhile SU as an excuse.

During the 'hundreds' of such incidents, the covert proxy wars were ongoing. The whole point about Bosnia/Kosova is that the scale of the Serb atrocities gave NATO cause to engage Russia's slavic proxies up front, with full UN and public support.

What is it? Russia or Soviet Union? Make up your mind. These are two different entities with different perspectives. SU was a spent force then falling apart, its downfall had begun with the fall of Romania's communist regime back in the '80s. No way was SU involved in 'helping' the Serbs then. It was the Serb hatred against Kosovars/Bosnia that led to genocides and NATO stepped in. How hard is it to understand THAT?

 

[Secur]

Yes. China was already present militarily when India started demanding withdrawal of Chinese troops. Read up.

CCP's claim of Aksai Chin is based on their claim of Tibet. Aksai Chin was a part of Xinxing province and a warlord had comissioned the Soviets to map the area. British grew wary and came up with Johnson line which infact was criticized by the British themselves! Historically its Tibet territory.

Lol. The fact that you ignore IA's actions which led to the containment of the conflict is ridiculous to say the least.

Leave it all for another thread ... Even though i have a couple of sources that say otherwise ...

Aksai Chin was being intruded by Chinese way before '62 but only fully invaded in the war ...

 

[Developereo]

The hatred is clear for everyone to see. You conveniently ignore that NATO actions saved Muslims lives and give its quarrel with the erstwhile SU as an excuse.

Injecting facts into a debate does not denote hatred. I exposed your ignorance of history and geopolitics, so it is understandable that you guys will throw a tantrum. NATO's actions in former Yugo were about proxy wars; the Muslim angle was merely PR icing on the cake.

What is it? Russia or Soviet Union? Make up your mind. These are two different entities with different perspectives. SU was a spent force then falling apart, its downfall had begun with the fall of Romania's communist regime back in the '80s. No way was SU involved in 'helping' the Serbs then. It was the Serb hatred against Kosovars/Bosnia that led to genocides and NATO stepped in. How hard is it to understand THAT?

I am guessing you are having trouble reading English today. As I wrote earlier, NATO's engagement against the slavs was on ongoing affair throughout the 20th century, whether they were Soviet proxies or Russian proxies.

 

[parkland]

pakistan gets warnings everyday= humiliation everyday.