US wants to impose 300KM Restriction on Iranian BMs!

[PurpleStone]

Why this step brotherly treatment towards Iran but not Pakistan?

Both Pakistan and Iran do not recognize Israel.

Both Pakistan and Iran have missiles.

Pakistan's nukes are much advanced than Iran.

Why sanctions on Iran but not on Pakistan?

 

[SubWater]

lol
after reading title.
nobody can destroy homegrown knowledge.
2000 km range is what Iran announce for its missiles. Who can believe khoramshar missile range is 2000 km not more.

 

[Blue In Green]

That's the problem isn't it, they see honesty and concessions as weakness.

Iran should have just gone nuclear the second they were threatened by the US, just like China went nuclear when the US threatened to nuke us during the Korean War.

Funny how the US is so desperate to punish Iran for seeking a nuclear energy program, while the US itself received zero punishment for using nuclear weapons on civilian populations (twice) after they had already won the war. I guess America thinks that nuclear weapons are only acceptable after a country has already used them on civilian population centres.

Absolutely agreed, but I will say something first.

So I will respond but I just want my position to be known incase there are PDF members that were curious. In my honest opinion (meaning this is just what I think). Irans government needs to change some aspects in order to lessen the unfair criticism that it gets and increase local optimism in the government. As well there NEEDS to be change regarding internal policies regarding economy and management of funds (basically stop the massive amounts of corruption that is happening).

On to your post. The US, with no exaggeration, does not care what any other country has to say. It will do what it wants to nations that are weaker since it's the current world hegemonic power. It's very hard to deal with any country that will always say you're lying, you're bad, you're Hitler incarnate etc, etc....Iran truthfully only has so many options in its arsenal. What Iran should do is double down on relationships with Russia and especially China (Iran and China can really change the world balance if they play their cards right) in order to save Iran from sure destruction/capitulation.

This is one of the things that I admire about China (that being it's strength in economy, relationships with many nations, non-interventionist policy and strategic placement of its military) but it took China decades of economic growth plus taking certain steps to get to where it is today. Iran is quite literally being attacked from many angles, economic, military, cyber-warfare, culturally and on and on... Also Iran just isn't China.

So going for nukes is a last ditch option since Iran has made it known formally on many occasions (too many to count) that it explicitly doesn't want any nukes at all. It would take a drastic change in the regional dynamics for Iran to want nukes.

The future is still unknown but what I can only guess given current trends and evidence, Irans future does not rest with the West or Europe (they cannot be trusted, idk about China but they have more trust than Europeans at-least at a first glance). But I have my own problems with China myself so lol.

Iran is an Asian country... and should focus its future in the East. The West is just done.

 

[hussain0216]

Why this step brotherly treatment towards Iran but not Pakistan?

Both Pakistan and Iran do not recognize Israel.

Both Pakistan and Iran have missiles.

Pakistan's nukes are much advanced than Iran.

Why sanctions on Iran but not on Pakistan?

Because Pakistan by immense effort did what the west includings U.S did not think was possible

We spent years developing and then tested a nuclear warhead

We now have 150+ nuclear warheads and a array of offensive missiles from surface to surface cruise missiles, air launched cruise missiles, SLCMs, anti ship cruise missiles, Ballistic missiles of various distances and MIRV capable Ababeel

They can do sweet fcuk all about Pakistan now!!!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

But I have my own problems with China myself so lol.

I think there are a lot of problems that stand in the way of a proper Sino-Iranian partnership. From China's point of view, siding with Iran could be risky if it is perceived from a sectarian angle (like Russia's involvement is perceived), because we have so many important friends and allies in the Sunni Muslim world. Many of whom we are invested in, in a very strategic sense.

From Iran's point of view, they find it hard to trust China. There is a perception in Iran that China was exploiting Iran during the sanctions era for our own benefit, and of course China will always look after its own national interests first. This is compounded by a lot of stories in the Western media about low-quality goods flooding the Iranian market, stalled projects, and a host of other such issues.

If Iran wants to stand on its own, without any mutual defence treaty with China or Russia, I think that nukes are the best bet. If that is not an option, Iran's current strategy of building a massive conventional ballistic missile arsenal is not the worst idea, China uses the same strategy (ballistic missiles for conventional strikes).

Currently Iran can inflict enough damage on American assets and Israeli assets to deter a proper military campaign against them, but who knows with those maniacs in the White House. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Blue In Green]

I think there are a lot of problems that stand in the way of a proper Sino-Iranian partnership. From China's point of view, siding with Iran could be risky if it is perceived from a sectarian angle (like Russia's involvement is perceived), because we have so many important friends and allies in the Sunni Muslim world. Many of whom we are invested in, in a very strategic sense.

From Iran's point of view, they find it hard to trust China. There is a perception in Iran that China was exploiting Iran during the sanctions era for our own benefit, and of course China will always look after its own national interests first. This is compounded by a lot of stories in the Western media about low-quality goods flooding the Iranian market, stalled projects, and a host of other such issues.

If Iran wants to stand on its own, without any mutual defence treaty with China or Russia, I think that nukes are the best bet. If that is not an option, Iran's current strategy of building a massive conventional ballistic missile arsenal is not the worst idea, China uses the same strategy (ballistic missiles for conventional strikes).

Currently Iran can inflict enough damage on American assets and Israeli assets to deter a proper military campaign against them, but who knows with those maniacs in the White House. Better safe than sorry.

No qualms here.

 

[alphapak]

Why this step brotherly treatment towards Iran but not Pakistan?

Both Pakistan and Iran do not recognize Israel.

Both Pakistan and Iran have missiles.

Pakistan's nukes are much advanced than Iran.

Why sanctions on Iran but not on Pakistan?

For this Israeli's are chucking the Indians in front.
They will fight Pakistan till the last Indian.

 

[PurpleStone]

For this Israeli's are chucking the Indians in front.
They will fight Pakistan till the last Indian.

That is 1 billions Indians.

 

[jamal18]

How about leading by example?

 

[AmirPatriot]

They are making an absurd offer as a negotiation tactic in order to make what they really want seem reasonable. They want for Iran to agree to restrictions on its BM range so that Israel is no longer in range of any long range BM.

So a 1000KM cap may eventually be proposed to Iran to accept.

So they're negotiating with the Europeans?

I'm sure they don't think Iran will accept any limits on its program. I don't think Trump even intends to negotiate. He'll just make a demand and say if you don't accept it, sanctions. And sanctions are of course the objective, since Iran obviously isn't going to accept.

I think there are a lot of problems that stand in the way of a proper Sino-Iranian partnership. From China's point of view, siding with Iran could be risky if it is perceived from a sectarian angle (like Russia's involvement is perceived), because we have so many important friends and allies in the Sunni Muslim world. Many of whom we are invested in, in a very strategic sense.

From Iran's point of view, they find it hard to trust China. There is a perception in Iran that China was exploiting Iran during the sanctions era for our own benefit, and of course China will always look after its own national interests first. This is compounded by a lot of stories in the Western media about low-quality goods flooding the Iranian market, stalled projects, and a host of other such issues.

If Iran wants to stand on its own, without any mutual defence treaty with China or Russia, I think that nukes are the best bet. If that is not an option, Iran's current strategy of building a massive conventional ballistic missile arsenal is not the worst idea, China uses the same strategy (ballistic missiles for conventional strikes).

Currently Iran can inflict enough damage on American assets and Israeli assets to deter a proper military campaign against them, but who knows with those maniacs in the White House. Better safe than sorry.

One possible way I think that could bind together Chinese-Iranian relations is OBOR. With a major part of OBOR going through Iran (plus the nostalgia of the "silk road" which historically was a trade link between our two great empires), I would hope China would find Iran to be a major part of its strategic calculus and a strategic ally, seeing as OBOR is such a high profile project made to ensure Chinese trade with Eurasia/Europe. This is important for Iran as it has long sought a great power ally that could help it in times of economic/diplomatic/military (materiel) OBOR would also be very important for Iran as the trade, infrastructure and trade hub opportunities are enormous for Iran and could even be a major part of Iran's economy. My only concerns are:

1. The project seems to be going quite slowly right now, at least in Iran

2. Competition with India (Chabahar and associated projects) could lead to disputes.

3. Pushback from the US in economic/political pressure that could prevent China from implementing OBOR in Iran.

4. If China will actually see Iran as a strategic ally, rather than just a business partner.

 

[Kastor]

Iranians are neither daft nor stupid. This was an honest effort on Irans part to do a diplomatic deal with the Europeans and US, The US completely dropped the ball and Europe will tug the line.

You know, I've been around the Genteel types for quite a while, they will honor deals when it suits them, most of the time I've been shocked to see their behavior behind closed doors. I'm not surprised the U.S. President will try and abrogate this deal. the stereotypical old gentlemen of Victorian England is long dead and Trump needs a win. The Iran deal (And the wall, Mexicans, Muslims and Chinese. Do you see a pattern?) is one of the campaign promises he harped on time after time.

I'm sure they don't think Iran will accept any limits on its program. I don't think Trump even intends to negotiate. He'll just make a demand and say if you don't accept it, sanctions. And sanctions are of course the objective, since Iran obviously isn't going to accept.

Exactly.....Trump probably still does not know what JCPOA stand for, he's just following Bannon's lead....this guy is a useful idiot to people in the U.S. with an agenda. He's the consummate bully, haggler, and lier. The only way you deal with Trump is the way Stormy Daniels's lawyer is dealing with him, 2x as loud and 2x as damaging. Iran needs to be on TV everyday....talking about how it's been singled out, how it kept it's part of the bargain and how the President of the USA is damaging America and it's standing in the world.

 

[Stryker1982]

lol
after reading title.
nobody can destroy homegrown knowledge.
2000 km range is what Iran announce for its missiles. Who can believe khoramshar missile range is 2000 km not more.

Shhhhh. Don't tell them that!

 

[XDescendantX]

Why are you guys complaining on a thread with no source? OP should post proof first!

 

[TheImmortal]

Why this step brotherly treatment towards Iran but not Pakistan?

Both Pakistan and Iran do not recognize Israel.

Both Pakistan and Iran have missiles.

Pakistan's nukes are much advanced than Iran.

Why sanctions on Iran but not on Pakistan?

Because Pakistan is a banana country with no threat to the West. The country is already poor by many economic standards and doesn’t threaten US/NATO interests.

Just because you have nuclear weapons doesn’t make you some great military power. Just look at North Korea it Has nukes, yet it’s citizens eat leaves and grass to survive and it’s military uses equipment from the 50’s and 60’s.

You know Pakistan is a banana country when the world’s superpower is flying drones in your airspace and killing your citizens at will. Pakistan is being used by two major world powers (US and china).

Pakistan is not a threat to the West or Israel and will never be. If one day Pakistan so much dreams of being a threat they will be put in their place rather quickly. Pakistan is a country that is dominated by many terrorist groups, a fractured and corrupt military. It is basically a worse version of Syria prior to 2010. The West could start a civil war fairly quickly in that country and Pakistan knows this.

Pakistan doesn’t threaten control the most important water ways in the Middle East, Pakistan doesn’t control the largest non-state armies of the world, Pakistan doesn’t have top 3 largest oil reserves and 1st largest gas reserves in the Middle East.

Pakistan has not demonstrated competency to be able to engage the West military and never will. Plus Pakistan is basically Saudis Arabia's mercenary army and Saudi Arabia is the biggest banana country In the Middle East. They put the Shah of 1970’s to shame at how well they serve the West.

Compare that to Iran that has conducted proxy wars against the US(Iraq war) and Israel (2006 war) among many other things.

It’s so weird that Pakistan users come into these threads bumping their chest at how great Pakistan is and how no one dares attack. Pakistan has no geopolitical significance on the world stage. The 3 countries the west cares about is Russia, China, and iran. Even North Korea is a geopolitical ploy so the US can overthrow North Korea and have military bases on China’s border.

The West really does NOT care about North Korea, just like it didn’t care about Iraq or Libya. They are ploys to reach the 3 remaining threats to US/NATO domination of world order.

You don’t hear the term “Pakistan’s expanding power and influence across the Middle East”; now why is that? Because it doesn’t have power beyond its borders. It’s whole existence is built on a Pakistan vs India rivalry. Similar to North Korea vs South Korea.

So you have your answer.

 

[rambro]

Its official, americans are not the ones running USA.

it has been taken over from the inside, hhmm