US vows to keep Gulf waterway open despite Iran's threats

[hazzam]

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[raptor22]

Iranian money is not for the "Poor" of those countries...But to fill the Pockets of "Few"...
Hezbollah is not poor... Assad isn't neither Houthis and neither Those Iraqi groups... Quite the Opposite tbh... They live better than a large majority of Iranians themselves... and those "people" don't even show gratitude for that...


Let's hope, that when the moment come..They will choose other options instead of pulling the Trigger on Thousands and Thousands of ppl.

Do you know how much Iran helps these countries annually ?

 

[HannibalBarca]

Do you know how much Iran helps these countries annually ?

There isn't a precise Number...But some Analyst give around 20-30Bil$ each Years for the Main groups (Hezb-Assad-Iraq-Pal) Add a bit more for the Recently Houthis one and you have a wide understanding on how much Iran gives... The Number is a value of Assets, could be Money / Arms / Services / Oil / Food etc...

Per exemple the Syrian conflict...Many think that RU is the True savior of ASSad... and Most Pro-Assad Syrians believe so... While the Truth is quite different... It's indeed Iranian Billions that kept ASSad where he is today... not "only" the Russians... and till this Day... Iran is still pumping money/Aid in it While RU doesn't waste a dime in Syria and yet ASSad already gave him the Master fruit (The Oil and the Syrian Gas in Med (Gazprom & Rosneft))... Even for the Reconstruction Market... Russia is already in it, with Iraq/Leb and Egypt...
If you take Future Iranian restriction... She will get even less from the Pie than originally intended...

"Since 2011 'The start of the Revos...Iran lost almost 200Bil$ in GDP..."

 

[Sineva]

How is the failed Mullah regime going to close the Strait of Hurmuz when half of the strait belongs to Oman and UAE (territorial waters)?

Not to say that the GCC (vastly superior military, economic and diplomatic clout) is just around the corner not to mention the US and all world powers (China too depends on oil and gas imports from the region and they would never allow a disruption to occur either).

Just the usual pathetic fantasy from those deluded Mullah's.

Would not impact KSA either way.



The beautiful Red Sea is a 100 times more important passage for trade. Over 10% of the world's trade (almost all the trade in the world is done through maritime trade) passes through the Red Sea which is the domestic domain and backyard of KSA and Egypt.

BTW the Mullah regime is once again giving us all one of their "greatest hits" (in other words most idiotic statements). A most recent example (that I read at least, properly more gold coins have been thrown since then) that I read a few days ago, was an Mullah official (general even, lol) claiming that the reason for the droughts in Iran were due to "cloud theft" by USrael.

http://www.euronews.com/2018/07/05/iranian-general-accuses-israel-of-cloud-theft-the-cube

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
The GCC?,LOL!,are you fu@king serious??!!,the same GCC that despite squandering $100,000,000,000s could not even defeat the remnant of the yemeni military allied with a militia!?,and they`re going to take on iran!?,yeah!,right!,somehow I just dont think so.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!.Gosh!,if you GCC bois are so tough and ornery then what do you need uncle sam for then,right?.
Seriously the only ones having the pathetic fantasies here are completely deluded gulfie fanbois like yourself.
Oh and by the way you might just want to take some time to consider just how vulnerable a pipeline is to interdiction,or indeed those red sea port facilities as well,so dont count on the red sea pipeline route as the answer to a hormuz blockade,because it isnt.Even in the unlikely event that the pipelines were not interdicted they can currently transport less than half of what goes thru the straits by ship each day.
This is why I love the me&a forum because its literally an insane asylum masquerading as a w@nkpit run by the inmates ie the wahabists/gulfies/arab stronkians all frantically stronking themselves over who is the more stronk amongst them all.LOL!
PS
You might want to take note of some of the facts and figures mentioned in this
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-key-oil-shipping-route-idUSTRE6062OG20100107

 

[Saif al-Arab]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
The GCC?,LOL!,are you fu@king serious??!!,the same GCC that despite squandering $100,000,000,000s could not even defeat the remnant of the yemeni military allied with a militia!?,and they`re going to take on iran!?,yeah!,right!,somehow I just dont think so.LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!.Gosh!,if you GCC bois are so tough and ornery then what do you need uncle sam for then,right?.
Seriously the only ones having the pathetic fantasies here are completely deluded gulfie fanbois like yourself.
Oh and by the way you might just want to take some time to consider just how vulnerable a pipeline is to interdiction,or indeed those red sea port facilities as well,so dont count on the red sea pipeline route as the answer to a hormuz blockade,because it isnt.Even in the unlikely event that the pipelines were not interdicted they can currently transport less than half of what goes thru the straits by ship each day.
This is why I love the me&a forum because its literally an insane asylum masquerading as a w@nkpit run by the inmates ie the wahabists/gulfies/arab stronkians all frantically stronking themselves over who is the more stronk amongst them all.LOL!
PS
You might want to take note of some of the facts and figures mentioned in this
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-key-oil-shipping-route-idUSTRE6062OG20100107

I did not read your nonsense post but what I wrote initially were mere facts.

As for Yemen, when somebody does not know jackshit about a topic, the wisest thing is to keep quite.

The Arab coalition controls 90% of Yemen, all the oil and gas facilities, all the strategic ports (Hudaydah being the last port and the operations there have only lasted 3 weeks, while the challenge is similar to Mosul which took 10 + months with an international coalition doing the bombing from air). All with minimal casualties against the most heavily armed terrorist cult in the world and as you yourself states against remnants of the Yemeni army loyal to the terrorist cult. All this in a country twice the size of Syria with 1000 times moeis challenging geography (Yemen is mostly a heavily mountainous country) and a history dating back to antiquity of Yemen being extremely difficult to conquer let alone control.

All this while reconstructing an entire new Yemeni army in the past 3 + years.

Back to topic. The second that the failed Mullah regime even seriously attempts to block the strait, Iran can (worst case scenario) end up as Afghanistan next door.

You must be a deluded Mullah drone to even take such ridiculous statements seriously.

 

[hazzam]

I did not read your nonsense post but what I wrote initially were mere facts.

As for Yemen, when somebody does not know jackshit about a topic, the wisest thing is to keep quite.

The Arab coalition controls 90% of Yemen, all the oil and gas facilities, all the strategic ports (Hudaydah being the last port and the operations there have only lasted 3 weeks, while the challenge is similar to Mosul which took 10 + months with an international coalition doing the bombing from air). All with minimal casualties against the most heavily armed terrorist cult in the world and as you yourself states against remnants of the Yemeni army loyal to the terrorist cult. All this in a country twice the size of Syria with 1000 times moeis challenging geography (Yemen is mostly a heavily mountainous country) and a history dating back to antiquity of Yemen being extremely difficult to conquer let alone control.

All this while reconstructing an entire new Yemeni army in the past 3 + years.

Back to topic. The second that the failed Mullah regime even seriously attempts to block the strait, Iran can (worst case scenario) end up as Afghanistan next door.

You must be a deluded Mullah drone to even take such ridiculous statements seriously.

true

 

[mangekyo]

What is the connection btw poor people in Iran and helping Iraq, Syria and Lebanon?

Ehhhh... Instead of spending billions of dollars on other countries, they could spend it on Iranians? After Lebanon-Israel war of 2006 or something, Iran paid Lebanese victims of war millions of dollars in cash. Whoever had a small shitty house or apartment that got damaged, got a free mansion.. What did Iranian victims of war receive? What did victims of earthquake receive?

 

[raptor22]

There isn't a precise Number...But some Analyst give around 20-30Bil$ each Years for the Main groups (Hezb-Assad-Iraq-Pal) Add a bit more for the Recently Houthis one and you have a wide understanding on how much Iran gives... The Number is a value of Assets, could be Money / Arms / Services / Oil / Food etc...

Per exemple the Syrian conflict...Many think that RU is the True savior of ASSad... and Most Pro-Assad Syrians believe so... While the Truth is quite different... It's indeed Iranian Billions that kept ASSad where he is today... not "only" the Russians... and till this Day... Iran is still pumping money/Aid in it While RU doesn't waste a dime in Syria and yet ASSad already gave him the Master fruit (The Oil and the Syrian Gas in Med (Gazprom & Rosneft))... Even for the Reconstruction Market... Russia is already in it, with Iraq/Leb and Egypt...
If you take Future Iranian restriction... She will get even less from the Pie than originally intended...

"Since 2011 'The start of the Revos...Iran lost almost 200Bil$ in GDP..."

Ain't true .. your numbers is too much even the worse scenarios is saying 16 billion $ which are wrong 'cause they don't understand the way Iran spends its money , base upon the UN reports Iran spends almost 6 billions dollars in Syria annually, and base upon isreal's Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Gadi Eizenkot Iran spends 800 million to 1 billion $ for Hezbollah and 100 millions for Hamas:

“Just glance at the scale of Iranian investment in order to achieve regional hegemony - it adds up to giving (Lebanese militia) Hezbollah between $1 billion and $700 million each year,” he said in a speech to the IDC Herzliya university.

“In recent months, investment in the Palestinian arena has also been growing out of a desire to influence it - with an increase in the (annual) funding in the Gaza Strip for (militant groups) Hamas and Islamic Jihad to $100 million.”​

So your estimation seems so wrong.

Ehhhh... Instead of spending billions of dollars on other countries, they could spend it on Iranians? After Lebanon-Israel war of 2006 or something, Iran paid Lebanese victims of war millions of dollars in cash. Whoever had a small shitty house or apartment that got damaged, got a free mansion.. What did Iranian victims of war receive? What did victims of earthquake receive?

The problem is you guys think the war in Syria and Iran aids to them cause economical problem while it's not.
Didn't we have economical problems before these wars? before 2006?
On the other hand the damage we received in Iran-Iraq war was 1000 billion dollars next to people we lost and 8 years tat halted our progress ... so if we could do something that fight our enemies outside of our borders :
1, while we help our friends we would defeat our enemies through cooperation, win win for both.
2, our lands and infrastructures would remain intact.
3, daily life of people would not get disturbed ...
4, we could get back our money we spent as Iran and Syria agreed to return Iran money by selling Syrian oil, gas and phosphate mines ...
5, Instead of some fanatic extremists in Iraq or Syria people that we could talk and have interaction are in power.

Beside the military part has done its job very well by protecting Iranian borders even protected our interests beyond our borders in Aden gulf, Syria and Iraq ... instead of nagging to them go ask :
Ministry of Economic Affairs and Finance
Ministry of Cooperatives, Labour, and Social Welfare
Why they can not cure our economy.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Ain't true .. your numbers is too much even the worse scenarios is saying 16 billion $ which are wrong 'cause they don't understand the way Iran spends its money , base upon the UN reports Iran spends almost 6 billions dollars in Syria annually, and base upon isreal's Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Gadi Eizenkot Iran spends 800 million to 1 billion $ for Hezbollah and 100 millions for Hamas:

“Just glance at the scale of Iranian investment in order to achieve regional hegemony - it adds up to giving (Lebanese militia) Hezbollah between $1 billion and $700 million each year,” he said in a speech to the IDC Herzliya university.

“In recent months, investment in the Palestinian arena has also been growing out of a desire to influence it - with an increase in the (annual) funding in the Gaza Strip for (militant groups) Hamas and Islamic Jihad to $100 million.”​

So your estimation seems so wrong.

Well...Even 16Bil/year is a lot for Iran budget... It's almost the Entire Yearly Budget Of Civil Servant+Gov Retirees (11+% of the pop) or 2.5x of the Military Budget or 3x The Education Budget or 8x Health Budget or 10x Energy/Agricultural Budget and so on and so on...

And remember it been like that each year... Without taking into account Post-Syrian Conflict decades of Funding...

In The End... The reality is as such... "You could have used your money for better things for you own People" And things seems to get even worse... While The Aid pipe are still fully open abroad / and even increasing AND Economic pressure building up with the US and affiliate...

Iran would have to choose one way or another... Her or Them... Till then, Millions of Iranians will continue to suffer in their daily life for the sake of few...

 

[T-Rex]

Well...Even 16Bil/year is a lot for Iran budget... It's almost the Entire Yearly Budget Of Civil Servant+Gov Retirees (11+% of the pop) or 2.5x of the Military Budget or 3x The Education Budget or 8x Health Budget or 10x Energy/Agricultural Budget and so on and so on...

And remember it been like that each year... Without taking into account Post-Syrian Conflict decades of Funding...

In The End... The reality is as such... "You could have used your money for better things for you own People" And things seems to get even worse... While The Aid pipe are still fully open abroad / and even increasing AND Economic pressure building up with the US and affiliate...

Iran would have to choose one way or another... Her or Them... Till then, Millions of Iranians will continue to suffer in their daily life for the sake of few...

Somebody has been paying for the blood sucking vampire's attempt to cling to power by hook or by crook and Putin is definitely not the major donor of the blood sucker. This is the price for standing by a blood sucker. This is why the Zionists have no problem with the blood sucker clinging to power like a leech.

 

[raptor22]

Well...Even 16Bil/year is a lot for Iran budget... It's almost the Entire Yearly Budget Of Civil Servant+Gov Retirees (11+% of the pop) or 2.5x of the Military Budget or 3x The Education Budget or 8x Health Budget or 10x Energy/Agricultural Budget and so on and so on...

And remember it been like that each year... Without taking into account Post-Syrian Conflict decades of Funding...

In The End... The reality is as such... "You could have used your money for better things for you own People" And things seems to get even worse... While The Aid pipe are still fully open abroad / and even increasing AND Economic pressure building up with the US and affiliate...

Iran would have to choose one way or another... Her or Them... Till then, Millions of Iranians will continue to suffer in their daily life for the sake of few...

Those who come up with 16 billion include Iranian people donation to reconstruct Shia shrines in Syria too which is mostly paid by people, they consider Iran annual salary for Shia fighter over 1.2 billion dollar while it's wrong it couldn't exceed more than 200 million $ and many other things ... As I said official estimation of Iran expenditure in Syria by UN is 6 billion $ which is roughly 10 % of Iran oil revenue while Iran has got other sources too (except 2013~2014 which this number was higher) ...
In total Iran has not spent more than 36~40 billion dollars in Syria.
On the other hand Qatar former FM said that Arab countries involved in bringing peace and security in Syria spent something around 137 billion dollars ..

The former Prime Minister of Qatar announced that a total of 137 billion dollars was wasted on the attempts to topple Assad’s government since the beginning of the war, while some of these funds were stolen by various field commanders that became millionaires overnight. In addition, considerable resources were wasted on the attempts to bribe Syria’s military brass, in attempt to persuade them in betraying their country or desert their positions. On average, a Syrian officer would receive from 15 to 30 thousand dollars for betraying his country.

The former Qatari official would announce that the ex-Prime Minister of Syria Riyad Farid Hijab was persuaded in fleeing Syria by his cousin, who had been a Jordanian resided for a long while. For this betrayal, Riyadh would pay him a handsome sum of 50 million dollars. In addition, the former commander of the Republican Guard Manaf Tlass would trade his home state for a chance to seek support of the UAR due to his sister’s successful attempts to persuade him into leaving. The sister, Madihi Tlass enjoyed French citizenship ever since she became the widow of the Syrian-Saudi businessman Akram Aja. This fact allowed French intelligence services to approach her to carry out the above mentioned operation.​

Trump says the USA has spent 7 trillion $ in the region through invasion, occupation, CIA secret operations .. all these countries have poor people have economical problems for example only in the USA there are more than 40 million people whom don't know would they receive next meal or not , recent estimation shows employment ratio in Saudi Arabia getting to 12 percent while none of them face sanctions and has much more oil revenue.
Just last year Iranian spent 6.5 billion $ in Turkey and Georgia and Armenia (as far as I remember) for having fun ... some other went to Haj, our military expenditure is comparison by other expenditures is nothing even to the tiny countries of the southern part of Persian gulf in a way that many people in Iran are concern about our military strength .
Even if millions of Iranians suffer their daily life it ain't about our presence in Syria .. how it could be? albeit I prefer to spend less money for war and more for infrastructure, standing idle doing nothing regarding Iraq and Syria could have had dire repercussions for Iran and also entire region. but the point is we fought Saddam before any others (actually others were helping) as we fought Taliban before any others (actually others were helping) as we fought isis before any others (actually others were helping) and no one saw what we did .. the same happening in Syria too. we helped Iraqis in Arbil and Baghdad regardless being Sunni or Shia ..
What others want? secession of Iraq :

Just imagine the ethnical wars and conflicts these bas*** (Saudi and israelis) seek to bring to the region ..
we helped Syrians to fight against terrorists while always insisted on diplomatic approach .. we helped people in Afghanistan more that 3.5 million Afghan people live in Iran as refugee and receive education job and other service just because of some idiots in Riyadh and Washington turned back the clock for the Afghan people .. many Iranian border guards have been martyred (more than 3.5k) in fight against opium smuggling other shiny example of American policy in the region ... and still we have Iran to blame.
The American bomb people in way that the ran out of bombing but who cares they have Hollywood and Media .. what Iran has? some stupid neighbors ...

 

[HannibalBarca]

Those who come up with 16 billion include Iranian people donation to reconstruct Shia shrines in Syria too which is mostly paid by people, they consider Iran annual salary for Shia fighter over 1.2 billion dollar while it's wrong it couldn't exceed more than 200 million $ and many other things ... As I said official estimation of Iran expenditure in Syria by UN is 6 billion $ which is roughly 10 % of Iran oil revenue while Iran has got other sources too (except 2013~2014 which this number was higher) ...
In total Iran has not spent more than 36~40 billion dollars in Syria.
On the other hand Qatar former FM said that Arab countries involved in bringing peace and security in Syria spent something around 137 billion dollars ..

The former Prime Minister of Qatar announced that a total of 137 billion dollars was wasted on the attempts to topple Assad’s government since the beginning of the war, while some of these funds were stolen by various field commanders that became millionaires overnight. In addition, considerable resources were wasted on the attempts to bribe Syria’s military brass, in attempt to persuade them in betraying their country or desert their positions. On average, a Syrian officer would receive from 15 to 30 thousand dollars for betraying his country.

The former Qatari official would announce that the ex-Prime Minister of Syria Riyad Farid Hijab was persuaded in fleeing Syria by his cousin, who had been a Jordanian resided for a long while. For this betrayal, Riyadh would pay him a handsome sum of 50 million dollars. In addition, the former commander of the Republican Guard Manaf Tlass would trade his home state for a chance to seek support of the UAR due to his sister’s successful attempts to persuade him into leaving. The sister, Madihi Tlass enjoyed French citizenship ever since she became the widow of the Syrian-Saudi businessman Akram Aja. This fact allowed French intelligence services to approach her to carry out the above mentioned operation.​

Trump says the USA has spent 7 trillion $ in the region through invasion, occupation, CIA secret operations .. all these countries have poor people have economical problems for example only in the USA there are more than 40 million people whom don't know would they receive next meal or not , recent estimation shows employment ratio in Saudi Arabia getting to 12 percent while none of them face sanctions and has much more oil revenue.
Just last year Iranian spent 6.5 billion $ in Turkey and Georgia and Armenia (as far as I remember) for having fun ... some other went to Haj, our military expenditure is comparison by other expenditures is nothing even to the tiny countries of the southern part of Persian gulf in a way that many people in Iran are concern about our military strength .
Even if millions of Iranians suffer their daily life it ain't about our presence in Syria .. how it could be? albeit I prefer to spend less money for war and more for infrastructure, standing idle doing nothing regarding Iraq and Syria could have had dire repercussions for Iran and also entire region. but the point is we fought Saddam before any others (actually others were helping) as we fought Taliban before any others (actually others were helping) as we fought isis before any others (actually others were helping) and no one saw what we did .. the same happening in Syria too. we helped Iraqis in Arbil and Baghdad regardless being Sunni or Shia ..
What others want? secession of Iraq :

Just imagine the ethnical wars and conflicts these bastards seek to bring to the region ..
we helped Syrians to fight against terrorists while always insisted on diplomatic approach .. we helped people in Afghanistan more that 3.5 million Afghan people live in Iran as refugee and receive education job and other service just because of some idiots in Riyadh and Washington turned back the clock for the Afghan people .. many Iranian border guards have been martyred (more than 3.5k) in fight against opium smuggling other shiny example of American policy in the region ... and still we have Iran to blame.
The American bomb people in way that the ran out of bombing but who cares they have Hollywood and Media .. what Iran has? some stupid neighbors ...

Anyway... If you find it normal...Then so be it... in The End your are the one paying the bills..;don't come later on by saying "We shouldn't have done it".

And please don't compare you with the US... They have the money for it, Iran don't... And would have even less in the coming Months/Years at this rate.

As for Syria... Just Remind yourself that ISIS and co weren't around Till late 2013 in Syria... As for Iraq..?they were AQ Friends who were there for the US...
So Btw 2011-2013... The Money/Aid was only to keep ASSad on his chair, For Regional purposes... nothing more nothing less...

 

[raptor22]

Anyway... If you find it normal...Then so be it... in The End your are the one paying the bills..;don't come later on by saying "We shouldn't have done it".

And please don't compare you with the US... They have the money for it, Iran don't... And would have even less in the coming Months/Years at this rate.

As for Syria... Just Remind yourself that ISIS and co weren't around Till late 2013 in Syria... As for Iraq..?they were AQ Friends who were there for the US...
So Btw 2011-2013... The Money/Aid was only to keep ASSad on his chair, For Regional purposes... nothing more nothing less...

Well back in 2012:

2012 Defense Intelligence Agency document: West will facilitate rise of Islamic State “in order to isolate the Syrian regime"

• Al-Qaeda drives the opposition in Syria
• The West identifies with the opposition
• The establishment of a nascent Islamic State became a reality only with the rise of the Syrian insurgency (there is no mention of U.S. troop withdrawal from Iraq as a catalyst for Islamic State’s rise, which is the contention of innumerable politicians and pundits; see section 4.D. below)
• The establishment of a “Salafist Principality” in Eastern Syria is “exactly” what the external powers supporting the opposition want (identified as “the West, Gulf Countries, and Turkey”) in order to weaken the Assad government
• “Safe havens” are suggested in areas conquered by Islamic insurgents along the lines of the Libyan model (which translates to so-called no-fly zones as a first act of ‘humanitarian war’; see 7.B.)
• Iraq is identified with “Shia expansion” (8.C)
• A Sunni “Islamic State” could be devastating to “unifying Iraq” and could lead to “the renewing facilitation of terrorist elements from all over the Arab world entering into Iraqi Arena.”

So the US did see the rise of isis in Syria back in 2011~12, knew that the Salafists the MB and AQI were major forces driving insurgency in Syria and knew it could lead to the establishment of "Islamic State" and not only did nothing (as they didn't don anything in Iraq while isis took over Iraqi major cities in a way that in presence of American troops they asked us to come to their aid) they facilitated arming them ..

Actually they brought them themselves in 2011:

How US Ambassador Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked To Jihadist Rebels In Syria

In March 2011 Stevens became the official U.S. liaison to the al-Qaeda-linked Libyan opposition, working directly with Abdelhakim Belhadj of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group — a group that has now disbanded, with some fighters reportedly participating in the attack that took Stevens' life.

In November 2011 The Telegraph reported that Belhadj, acting as head of the Tripoli Military Council, "met with Free Syrian Army [FSA] leaders in Istanbul and on the border with Turkey" in an effort by the new Libyan government to provide money and weapons to the growing insurgency in Syria.

Last month The Times of London reported that a Libyan ship "carrying the largest consignment of weapons for Syria … has docked in Turkey." The shipment reportedly weighed 400 tons and included SA-7 surface-to-air anti-craft missiles and rocket-propelled grenades.​