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Civilian planes do not have the payload to carry something as large as a HQ-16 SAM mobile launcher. Disassembling is not recommended if you want things to work properly.
China has not traditionally been projecting power beyond its border. All logistical needs are taken care of by rail and road internally. Within China, we can deploy massive armor divisions using our high-speed railways.
China's >50 ton heavy transport Y-20 will be in service next year. Right now we have two prototypes. We prefer not to buy if we can make it ourselves.
You are welcome.
We have established nothing on this point. My point is that deception and lack of information from Pakistani leadership (Military and Civilian) have given rise to speculations in this aspect. Simple.
You think that only ISI knows how to identify a terrorist? CIA does not knows it work?
I concur with the objective of prevention of Anti-Pakistani missions and activities. However, I believe that we have played too much in to the hands of the politics of the superpowers concerning Afghanistan during the COLD WAR era. We have played a major part in radicalising this nation. And now it is highly unstable.
Stable and friendly Afghanistan is/should be our ultimate objective. But for this, we need to broaden are strategic mission and think beyond just Taliban.
Yes, this is one issue that I also acknowledge. However, Musharraf did send a delegation to Afghan Taliban to convince it to hand over Osama Bin Laden to us (Pakistan). This delegation came back empty handed. Afghan Taliban failed to realize the gravity of the circumstances right after 9/11 event, which angered Bush administration and it was running short on patience. For Afghan Taliban, quick decision-making would have helped.
Your point is valid. However, I am skeptical about the assumption that majority of the Afghans support Afghan Taliban now. Narrow down your focus on just the Pashtun populace and you will be fooled. Afghanistan is actually split between Pro-Taliban and Anti-Taliban elements. Therefore, the only viable solution is settlement between both of these elements for peace.
I acknowledge that US should consider our concerns vis-a-vis Afghanistan. But we need to look at the other side of the coin as well.
Read following:
- The haqqani network represents a strategic threat to the enduring stability of the afghan state and U.S. national security interests in the region. The haqqanis are currently afghanistans most capable and potent insurgent group, and they continue to maintain close operational and strategic ties with al-qaeda and their affiliates. These ties will likely deepen in the future.
- Unlike the quetta Shura taliban in southern afghanistan, the counterinsurgency campaign has not weakened the Haqqanis military capabilities significantly. Few of the surge resources deployed to their strongholds in eastern afghanistan. the haqqani network has increased its operational reach and jihadist credentials over the past several years. the haqqani network has expanded its reach toward the quetta Shura talibans historical strongholds in southern afghanistan, the areas surrounding kabul, as well as the afghan north.
- The haqqanis serve Pakistans interests by dominating key terrain along the border and beyond in Afghanistans south and east, serving as a Pakistani-influenced firewall against national, northern, U.S. and Indian influence. The Haqqanis would also serve Pakistans interests by being the primary influence in afghanistans Ghilzai Pashtun lands, as well as the tribal areas in north waziristan, organizing these tribal areas in ways consistent with Pakistans interests.
- The haqqanis execute spectacular attacks in kabul in order to generate a disproportionate psychological and propaganda effect. The Haqqanis have strengthened their presence in logar and Wardak, surrounding the southern and western approaches to kabul. they have also expanded into kabuls eastern approachs in the provinces of nangarhar, Lahgman, and kapisa. the network will use these positions to increase their destabilizing attacks in kabul.
- The haqqanis are ideologically committed insurgents, and they are increasing their territorial reach. The group also has ties to al-qaeda and its affiliates. The Haqqanis have never given any indication that breaking ties with al-qaeda was either possible or in their interests. Consequently, the Haqqani Network is not reconcilable. they also do not fully follow the guidance of the quetta Shura taliban, because they maintain a separate power base and leadership structure.
Now you understand the problem?
By supporting Afghan Taliban movement, we have made some enemies in Afghanistan. These enemies are in power since 2001, and it does not surprises me if these enemies have/are engaged in Anti-Pakistani activities to give us a message. But these enemies are still open to reconciliation. Problem is with the Haqqani network which is not open to reconciliation. Therefore, we need to factor-in the concerns of every stakeholder in Afghanistan and be ready to make some concessions if required to do so. US may leave Afghanistan in 2014 but it has made it clear that it will continue to play its role in Afghanistan this time unlike USSR which left and did not looked back. Therefore, we are dealing with a committed superpower now which also happens to be the victor of the COLD WAR. So we need to calculate our options carefully.
Good point. But our current leadership (Military and Civilian) is not doing a good job at reasoning with the ally and your point supports my argument that we suck at deals. Our current leadership (Military in particular) is supporting a militant network which is not willing to reconcile with US. The greatest concern of US is that this network has not even denounced support to al-Qaeda network and US does not wants Afghanistan to become a staging ground for terrorist activities worldwide once again. At least, Musharraf had managed these affairs in a much better manner then Kayani.
Agreed.
Therefore, this validates my point that competency is lacking in the matters of foreign affairs in case of Pakistan.
Yes. But is this the path that Pakistani leadership (Military and Civilian) should choose to adopt?
It is not my POV. Taliban demonstrated its potential first and then ISI stepped in.
And your assumption is based on conspiracy theories? US used to be a very open country prior to 9/11 event. Their were no stringent security systems and mechanisms in place. US was regarded as a land of opportunities due to its openness to foreigners prior to 9/11. The al-Qaeda network used this to its advantage and conducted sophisticated attacks. Of course, one former US military official of Muslim origin (M. Atta) was involved in this mission to ensure its success.
Thanks to 9/11, US have become a lot less hospitable place to visit.
You are comparing a civilized society like China with fundamentalists?
The difference between the two is that you cannot reason with a fundamentalist.
And infiltration of RAW/CIA/MOSSAD/KGB have occurred in Pakistan regardless of our alliance with some Taliban factions.
So you realize this? Stability cannot be achieved with fundamentalism. It can be achieved with reconciliation, development and investment.
Read this: The Complicated Relationship Between the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban | Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
All of these Taliban factions are making a fool out of us. And gullible Pakistani fall for their ruse easily. TTP gets its recruits from Pakistan too and operates in same regions. Do the math.
Yes. And we are failing in our duties.
You trust this Finance ministry?
Even if we get ample funds, they will be still mismanaged.
And source of your information is?
This is not my thinking. This is a fact that many Pakistani fail to acknowledge. Our lobby is insignificant and our engagements are mostly limited to diplomatic levels. Their is no reasonable cultural engagement between the two countries. Many Americans do not understand the situation of Pakistan properly.
Just watch this excellent interview:
You still fail to realize the truth.
Following are the fruits of this militancy culture:
1. Afghanistan became a staging ground for foreign terrorists
2. Birth of TTP
3. Lawlessness in Tribal regions
4. WOT
This militancy culture has led us to the current mess. Reason is that militancy will spread, if not kept in check. And this is exactly what has happened. It began to spread its tentacles worldwide and 9/11 and many other terrorist attacks happened due to this. And when we took measures against militancy, we witnessed another tentacle in the form of rise of TTP.
Militancy cannot exist peacefully. Once its purpose is served, it finds another one to fight for.
A cruise missile might as well hit their ship, but it won't be Babur, rather it would be Tomahawk painted with a Pakistani False-Flag
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It's frequently observed phenomena now that they depict scenarios similar to their planned actions in movies. Not sure what they achieve from doing so, but a guess is that it is to mat down the knee-jerk-reaction of masses. To remove the apprehension associated with "experiencing something for the first time".
Like they showed "Lone Gunman" just few months prior to actually slamming remote-controlled planes into WTCs for real,,, Like they showed "Head of State" before bringing Black president into place,,, Like "Broken Arrow" like incident has been speculated to have occurred when that B52 that "accidentally" flew with 6 nukes & returned with one less(five), & 6-7 crew working at the 2 of involved bases are confirmed to have died in "accidents"... Like Aaron Russo was told 1st hand by one of Rockefellers, 8 months prior, about plans to invade Afghan...
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cruise missile 00:50+ === alleged at Pakistan 01:45+
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Submarine commander said at the end of movie trailer, "Test us and we will ALL burn together. You have been warned" ...
Last Resort Trailer - YouTube
US violates int
Karachi: After failing to strike a deal on Nato supply with Pakistan, violating international laws the US has moved its USS Enterprise, the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, into Pakistani territorial waters near Gawadar city of Balochistan province.
After the deployment of the aircraft in Pakistani sea the countrys security agencies are now investing into the matter. The movement apparently shows the increasing interest of the US in Balochistan province of Pakistan, sources said.
The US has moved its biggest aircraft carrier 65 to 70 nautical miles away from Gawadar in the second week of June, a well informed source told The News Tribe correspondent.
The USS Enterprise, which holds a crew of over 4,000, had taken part in several wars.
I guess this thread needs to be moved outta here to some other formidable place........Isn't it time this thread gets shut down? It is so far off topic it isn't recognizable as a navy thread.
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Gwadar is brought up all the time as a perfect base for Chinese Navy. Can somebody tell the Chinese to please bring their own water bottles with them because along with electric loadshedding in Gwadar apparently we have also run out of water !!!
"Gwadar risks becoming ghost town due to water shortage"
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
And these jokers think we can take on [ or should ] USA and the entire NATO or otherwise the entire Western world. We are not China [ rising superpower ] that went nuclear in 1964 when had not even learnt to spell that word. We are not North Korea either. ever seen the North Korean Army on drill? Koreans are a very hard working homogenous and disciplined nation as can be seen by the success of South Korea.
And nuclear weapons are not for offensive purpose but to used in defence and only as a absolute last resort because they will invite nuclear retaliation. Such a exchange with USA would still leave USA unharmed but there would be no Pakistan left after US retaliation.
Don't people realize any attack on Bahrain, Qatar or Saudia Arabia [ US bases ) would mean millions of dead Pakistani ex pat workers and the so called 'Arab brothers'.
All that for knocking out couple of thousand Yanks !!!
lol at pakistanis...an unconfirmed report stated an AC into international water 130 km away(i think some people doesn't know what 60-70 NM actually) with no intention of attacking Pakistan...and they started pi**ing...
Dar k age baro...dar k age jeet hai..(thank goes to mountain dew)
jo dar gaya so mar gaya...(thank goes to Gabbar Singh)
anyway...i think its for Iran,not for Pakistan..
@OP..is there any other source of this news???
US violates int
Karachi: After failing to strike a deal on Nato supply with Pakistan, violating international laws the US has moved its USS Enterprise, the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, into Pakistani territorial waters near Gawadar city of Balochistan province.
“After the deployment of the aircraft in Pakistani sea the country’s security agencies are now investing into the matter. The movement apparently shows the increasing interest of the US in Balochistan province of Pakistan,” sources said.
“The US has moved its biggest aircraft carrier 65 to 70 nautical miles away from Gawadar in the second week of June,” a well informed source told The News Tribe correspondent.
The USS Enterprise, which holds a crew of over 4,000, had taken part in several wars.
SC might it be possible China sell/give a few aircraft killers. We need 2 for India and at the moment 1 for Americans. Maybe we can test how effective they are for you.
@Mave3rickVery wise......by the examples of water etc., Afghans should have surrendered before the US (or Soviet) invasion even began. But I guess they must have been stupid to prove you wrong
@Mav3rickAnd precise attacks on American bases in the middle east would not take out millions of Pakistanis/Arabs as the attacks would be concentrated only on precise locations and that too only if those bases are being used for anti Pakistan missions.
@Mave3rickAnd on top of that, one of the best trained and respected armies of the world is being discounted in favour of Korean Army exercises...........God!!!
@Mave3rickFinally, if the aim of the US is to leave behind another Afghanistan, would it not be better to take out as much of the US as possible with Nukes for atleast the rest of the world, to make the world a safer place?