US very concerned about successful Iranian rocket launch

[Dexon]

Iran playing it part to help american oil producers!

good job Iran!

 

[Aspen]

I highly doubt that Iran and Pakistan will form an alliance based on common interests in near future. Pakistan sees herself as an ally to Saudi Arabia for religious and historical reasons. Saudis financially helped Pakistan acquire nuclear weapons or so I have read on PDF many times. Arabs have employed tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of Pakistanis in their countries which gives them a certain leverage over Pakistan. Iran cannot trust Pakistan under these circumstances. Not to mention that Pakistan has helped Saudi Arabia destabilize Iranian Baluchistan in the past. Our relations have had too many ups and downs in the past to be honest.

Pakistan has failed to materialize the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline even though that Iran has finished the construction of her side of the pipeline since a decade ago. Our volume of trade hasn't increased that much in recent decades because of Pakistan following US sanctions and her alliance with the Saudis. Also, Pakistan's economy is too fragile to make independent decisions when it comes to her foreign affairs with her neighbors. So, in short, Pakistan's alliance with the US, Saudi Arabia and the UAE makes an alliance highly unlikely in near future.

Pakistan has relations with Saudia vis a vis Iran but in my opinion it is not different from Iran's relations with India vis a vis Pakistan. There are some sketchy gray areas regarding activities of both sides but I would not necessarily say it is an impediment since both sides are playing the same game. Saudis funded Pakistan's nuclear program but there was transfer of nuclear knowledge from Pakistan to Iran as well. Balochistan is a relatively easy to resolve issue given that both Pakistan and Iran are on the same page and have cooperated on there as a matter of mutual interest. The most tricky issue will end up being how many Pakistanis work in Arab countries and I will admit I do not have an answer for that. If Pakistan gets the economy back on track and people move back from Gulf back into Pakistan for better job opportunities, that may eventually change the equation and reduce Pakistan's dependence on Arab states. I do agree that trade should increase and to be honest I am baffled why it has not increased. Trade between Pakistan and Iran should not be that difficult via bartering and having a direct land border means that it should basically be impossible for sanctions to stop it. As far as IP pipeline is concerned, my understanding is that project has officially resumed and gov't is aiming to complete it this time. I think the holdup on the IP pipeline most likely has something to do with Pakistan and China trying to integrate Iran into CPEC for some kind of modified bartering system where Pakistan will buy some imports from China on behalf of Iran to barter with Iranian oil and then connecting Gwadar and Chabahar via direct road links and upgrading infrastructure for this bartering to happen.

In the grand scheme of things, I do think Iran and Pakistan will see the benefit of mutual cooperation at some point to counter the Indo-Israeli detente, but I do not know when or in what form. I think it is inevitable but time will tell. There are some things Iran has that Pakistan wants and there are some things Pakistan has that Iran wants. Given certain common regional interests, I think Iran knows procuring cooperation with Pakistan will be much easier than with other countries, and Pakistan knows that procuring cooperation with Iran will be much easier than with other countries (besides China). I am not sure where Turkey fits into all of this but I would not rule them out either in some kind of military research cooperation between Turkey-Iran-Pakistan. Turkey's speciality is drones, Iran's specialty is missiles, Pakistan's speciality is planes. For all I know they could already be cooperating secretly and maybe we just don't know about it. It wouldn't surprise me. There is a good deal of knowledge to be exchanged here so all sides can learn from each other. Increasing closeness of Israel-Saudia-India will likely reinforce this trend in the future.

 

[Draco.IMF]

USA is concerned....

 

[Hack-Hook]

I saw several people talking earlier about how Iran's civilian space program was infested with spies sabotaging it while their IRGC launch was flawless.

the people are talkig nonsense , Iran civillian program works on a more powerful SLV and the first stage work god the problem is second stage . when that is fixed they'll have their launch . by the way you think who provide them with the rockets they need

 

[graphican]

We are still waiting for the arrival of our mighty JF-17 block 3 from the past 7 years and u are talking about SLV.. Lol

Having big dreams, which take you years to accomplish, is the key to success. Have difficult long-term goals that take you a lot will benefit you tremendously more than short term 2-3 years long objectives.

JF-17 as Block-II is such a success that USA brought F-15 to fight against it. You literally have 0 space to complain that Block-III has taken 7 years.

 

[QWECXZ]

Pakistan has relations with Saudia vis a vis Iran but in my opinion it is not different from Iran's relations with India vis a vis Pakistan. There are some sketchy gray areas regarding activities of both sides but I would not necessarily say it is an impediment since both sides are playing the same game. Saudis funded Pakistan's nuclear program but there was transfer of nuclear knowledge from Pakistan to Iran as well. Balochistan is a relatively easy to resolve issue given that both Pakistan and Iran are on the same page and have cooperated on there as a matter of mutual interest. The most tricky issue will end up being how many Pakistanis work in Arab countries and I will admit I do not have an answer for that. If Pakistan gets the economy back on track and people move back from Gulf back into Pakistan for better job opportunities, that may eventually change the equation and reduce Pakistan's dependence on Arab states. I do agree that trade should increase and to be honest I am baffled why it has not increased. Trade between Pakistan and Iran should not be that difficult via bartering and having a direct land border means that it should basically be impossible for sanctions to stop it. As far as IP pipeline is concerned, my understanding is that project has officially resumed and gov't is aiming to complete it this time. I think the holdup on the IP pipeline most likely has something to do with Pakistan and China trying to integrate Iran into CPEC for some kind of modified bartering system where Pakistan will buy some imports from China on behalf of Iran to barter with Iranian oil and then connecting Gwadar and Chabahar via direct road links and upgrading infrastructure for this bartering to happen.

I think there's a huge difference between Iran-India relations and Pakistan-Saudi relations. To begin with, let's say that no Iranian feels loyalty to India and no one in Iran associates himself or herself with India. You don't see Iranians having a feeling of brotherhood with Indians. Pakistan is divided. Sunnis in Pakistan loathe Iran while Shia Pakistanis love Iran. And we all know how strong a factor religion is in Pakistan. That's the main difference, besides the economic factor I said earlier.

As you said, trade between Iran and Pakistan have never increased much because of the reasons I mentioned. We are neighbors, but our volume of trade does not promise a future of partnership and cooperation. Saudis and Persian Gulf Arabs will not let Pakistan get close to Iran and they have economic leverage over Pakistan to prevent this from happening.

I hope that Pakistan finally proceeds with the construction of the IP line. It is important not only for Iran, but for peace and stability in South Asia as well. It is in the interest of Pakistan to finish it because it can boost your industry and economy but the US and Saudis will probably exert pressure on Pakistan and offer alternatives to not let it happen.

In the grand scheme of things, I do think Iran and Pakistan will see the benefit of mutual cooperation at some point to counter the Indo-Israeli detente, but I do not know when or in what form. I think it is inevitable but time will tell. There are some things Iran has that Pakistan wants and there are some things Pakistan has that Iran wants. Given certain common regional interests, I think Iran knows procuring cooperation with Pakistan will be much easier than with other countries, and Pakistan knows that procuring cooperation with Iran will be much easier than with other countries (besides China). I am not sure where Turkey fits into all of this but I would not rule them out either in some kind of military research cooperation between Turkey-Iran-Pakistan. Turkey's speciality is drones, Iran's specialty is missiles, Pakistan's speciality is planes. For all I know they could already be cooperating secretly and maybe we just don't know about it. It wouldn't surprise me. There is a good deal of knowledge to be exchanged here so all sides can learn from each other. Increasing closeness of Israel-Saudia-India will likely reinforce this trend in the future.

I think Iran-Turkey relations should set an example for a future Iran-Pakistan relations. Iran and Turkey have their own differences about regional developments, but we continue to cooperate with each other based on mutual interests.

the people are talkig nonsense , Iran civillian program works on a more powerful SLV and the first stage work god the problem is second stage . when that is fixed they'll have their launch . by the way you think who provide them with the rockets they need

Having 3 attempts, all failed, in 7 years is more than a good reason to accuse the Rouhani administration of not doing enough. Particularly when your space activities during the previous administration had a high success rate. There are very good reasons to accuse the Rouhani administration of treason when it comes to Iran's nuclear and space programs. The very first one is that the ISA didn't have any satellite launches in the first 5 years of the Rouhani administration and it is way behind the 1404 development plan schedule. To cut it short, your president is a treasonous UK-made Europhile fool that hindered Iran's progress in science and technology for 5 years at least.

 

[TNT]

We are still waiting for the arrival of our mighty JF-17 block 3 from the past 7 years and u are talking about SLV.. Lol

A JF17 program is way more complicated than an SLV. If fighter jets were that easy, iran would have made many instead of showing models.

Most of the ppl here have no knowledge and no idea and commenting as if experts in space technology. Some pakistanis sincere to irani mullahs even curse Pakistan and show as if Pakistan is bavkward lol. Some even blame SUPARCO and what not. These idiots think space technology is all about launching rockets, infact that is the easiest part. Iran might as well just wouldve launched a rock, an SLV is just multi staged rocket. Pakistan can make its own SLV in no time if required but why waste money and reinvent the wheel??? If china provide cheap taxi service, why we need an SLV? Space technology actually has nothing to do with "launch technology", tjere are way more complicated things in space technologies than SLV.

 

[Sineva]

Seriously, Pakistan's space program needs a major kickstart.

I saw several people talking earlier about how Iran's civilian space program was infested with spies sabotaging it while their IRGC launch was flawless.

I wonder if Pakistan has the same problem with Indian spies sabotaging Pakistan's civilian space program. A Pakistani military space program made from scratch could have much better results if this IRGC launch is anything to learn from.

I personally doubt that irans civilian program was infested with spies,in fact irans counter intel capabilities are pretty good with the main problem being iranian traitors/fifth column rather than foreign agents.
The main problem was that rouhanis regime,either as a "goodwill gesture" to the west or as part of an unwritten section of the jcpoa,basically shut down the space program.This was not done officially of course,it was done by allowing it to just rot away due to a total lack of funding.The irony of course was that once the jcpoa collapsed and rouhani began to get more desperate he then turned to the space program in the hope of revving up some nationalist sentiment.Unfortunately for him there was little of the space program left at that point and certainly not enough left to pull off successful launches.......as we saw,with every attempt including even the theoretically low risk safir launches being failures.....with one even being lost to a pre-launch fire on the pad!!.
So frankly I`m not surprised that the irgc stepped in at this point,basically its up to them now,tho one is of course hopeful that rouhanis replacement will rebuild the space program and try and make up for all of that precious lost time.
I am somewhat surprised tho that pakistan hasnt yet followed the dprk and irans example and used the same rodong based engine technology that it has at its disposal via its ghauri missiles to build launchers as these would at least allow it to put up small satellites and gain valuable experience.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Space technology actually has nothing to do with "launch technology"

Tell that to SpaceX

 

[aryobarzan]

I personally doubt that irans civilian program was infested with spies,in fact irans counter intel capabilities are pretty good with the main problem being iranian traitors/fifth column rather than foreign agents.
The main problem was that rouhanis regime,either as a "goodwill gesture" to the west or as part of an unwritten section of the jcpoa,basically shut down the space program.This was not done officially of course,it was done by allowing it to just rot away due to a total lack of funding.The irony of course was that once the jcpoa collapsed and rouhani began to get more desperate he then turned to the space program in the hope of revving up some nationalist sentiment.Unfortunately for him there was little of the space program left at that point and certainly not enough left to pull off successful launches.......as we saw,with every attempt including even the theoretically low risk safir launches being failures.....with one even being lost to a pre-launch fire on the pad!!.
So frankly I`m not surprised that the irgc stepped in at this point,basically its up to them now,tho one is of course hopeful that rouhanis replacement will rebuild the space program and try and make up for all of that precious lost time.
I am somewhat surprised tho that pakistan hasnt yet followed the dprk and irans example and used the same rodong based engine technology that it has at its disposal via its ghauri missiles to build launchers as these would at least allow it to put up small satellites and gain valuable experience.

Pakistan ,Iran and Turkey are the only three scientifically advanced Muslim countries that we can speak of and it would be ideal if the three countries can work together at least in the space arena which requires multinational efforts. Imagine a space station manned by crew from these three nations... Pakistan and Turkey have enough political wiggle room to ward off any US and/or Arab protests...If US and Russian can work together on space ..then why not Pakistan Iran and Turkey!!..As for Rohanni...you give him too much credit...here is a short list of his Treasons (I am sure in few decade MI6 will reveal how they were able to infiltrate in to Iran via Rohanni as their prime agent).
1- closed Iran's enrichment facilities for two years (got nothing in return when he was nuclear negociator)
2- Closed Iran's Space agency for 5 years (when he became president)
3- made Iran's 50% share of Caspian sea in to 11% (caved in to Russian)
4- Signed JCPOA and implemented all of Iran's closures and Uranium destruction in the first few month before American even lifting a finger!.
5- Sold 18 billion dollars of Iranian gold reserves when Trump tore up the deal which resulted in further slide in Iranian currency (UAE and Saudi Arabs bought most of that gold at cheap Iranian currency and removed the gold from Iran).
6- Managed to be one of the few initial countries outside China to bring Corona virus by refusing to implement border and flight closures.

Now ...If I was an MI6 director I would put Rohannis name in a golden emblem as the UK's most valuable agent.

 

[Philosopher]

If they're concerned now they should remember something, this was just one satellite! Expect many 10's if not 100's of satellites to be launched in the coming years. IRGC is not the regular space agency. They do not play around.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Having 3 attempts, all failed, in 7 years is more than a good reason to accuse the Rouhani administration of not doing enough. Particularly when your space activities during the previous administration had a high success rate.

not exactly , and that previous administration worked on a known design Aka Shahab-3
by the way who provided those launcher that failed to ISA ?

A JF17 program is way more complicated than an SLV. If fighter jets were that easy, iran would have made many instead of showing models.

Most of the ppl here have no knowledge and no idea and commenting as if experts in space technology. Some pakistanis sincere to irani mullahs even curse Pakistan and show as if Pakistan is bavkward lol. Some even blame SUPARCO and what not. These idiots think space technology is all about launching rockets, infact that is the easiest part. Iran might as well just wouldve launched a rock, an SLV is just multi staged rocket. Pakistan can make its own SLV in no time if required but why waste money and reinvent the wheel??? If china provide cheap taxi service, why we need an SLV? Space technology actually has nothing to do with "launch technology", tjere are way more complicated things in space technologies than SLV.

the question is who builds more part of its airplane . Iran or Pakistan ?

even the theoretically low risk safir launches being failures.....with one even being lost to a pre-launch fire on the pad!!.

safir never was low risk , it is a rocket at its limits and even before rouhani it didn't had high succcess rate , when it come to safir every thing is at its limit and there is no place for tolerance.

 

[QWECXZ]

not exactly , and that previous administration worked on a known design Aka Shahab-3
by the way who provided those launcher that failed to ISA ?

Does it matter what rocket they used? It worked. Didn't it? That's all that matters. If you can modify V2 to put a satellite into orbit, then kudos to you. That aside, Shahab-3 has been the basis for most of our missiles before the Fateh family became operational.

So, if I provide you with a functioning missile and you screw up, the blame is on me? What if they sabotaged the mission on purpose in the ISA? And what about doing absolutely nothing in 5 years? Do you want to blame the IRGC for that too? lol What about talking about JCPOA-2 after Trump pulled out of the JCPOA? Give me a break.

 

[Hack-Hook]

So frankly I`m not surprised that the irgc stepped in at this point,basically its up to them now,tho one is of course hopeful that rouhanis replacement will rebuild the space program and try and make up for all of that precious lost time.
I am somewhat surprised tho that pakistan hasnt yet followed the dprk and irans example and used the same rodong based engine technology that it has at its disposal via its ghauri missiles to build launchers as these would at least allow it to put up small satellites and gain valuable experience.

IRGC is the provider of Safir and Simorgh , not ISA

 

[Hack-Hook]

Does it matter what rocket they used? It worked. Didn't it? That's all that matters. If you can modify V2 to put a satellite into orbit, then kudos to you. That aside, Shahab-3 has been the basis for most of our missiles before the Fateh family became operational.

So, if I provide you with a functioning missile and you screw up, the blame is on me? What if they sabotaged the mission on purpose in the ISA? And what about doing absolutely nothing in 5 years? Do you want to blame the IRGC for that too? lol What about talking about JCPOA-2 after Trump pulled out of the JCPOA? Give me a break.

the shahab part worked what didn't worked was second stage and we see in qased the used a different second stage . so I doubt simorgh second stage was problem free