US tough talk could push Pakistan closer to Russia, China

[wiseone2]

Russia already directly deals with Central Asian nations through CSTO. They do not even like SCO's foray into their sphere of influence so the less said about Pakistan here the better.

Russia is already directly dealing with Israel, Turkiye, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Indonesia and Malaysia. What can Pakistan offer with regards to the Islamic world and/or middle east?

Pakistan's nukes are useless for Russia.

It does not serve interests of Russia to prop up Pakistan against India or Iran.

Russia is already directly dealing with China. So Pakistan's help is of no use.

The only place Russia needs Pakistan is in Afghanistan to prop up Taliban against the ISAF forces. This is where China and Russia may need Pakistan's help. This is what was discussed during Russia-China-Pakistan Trilateral meeting on Afghanistan.

Let's see how this goes..

as a weapons exporter and major producer of energy Russia deals with most Muslim countries. Pakistan is the one of the Muslim countries with whom they have the minimum contact

 

[StraightShooter]

as a weapons exporter and major producer of energy Russia deals with most Muslim countries. Pakistan is the one of the Muslim countries with whom they have the minimum contact

And I would not be surprised if Russia throws Pakistan under the bus and make a deal with USA later once the tactical gains have been realized with the help of Pakistan propping up Taliban against ISAF. Russians have a long memory and they know how Pakistan supported the mujahideen against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

 

[wiseone2]

And I would not be surprised if Russia throws Pakistan under the bus and make a deal with USA later once the tactical gains have been realized with the help of Pakistan propping up Taliban against ISAF. Russians have a long memory and they know how Pakistan supported the mujahideen against the Soviets in Afghanistan.

Russia wants economic sanctions lifted in the short term. as they fall behind technologically they will join the Western bloc.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

As if the objective of the US policymakers is to make "Russia/China axis great again". They are losing Pak, Turkey etc. But, for what price????? Only winner will be Russia/Chin axis almost in all fronts....

 

[Pakistani E]

Pakistan should withdraw from the global war on terror, concentrate on eliminating terrorists that threaten it and find a localised solution to the issues here, and leave the rest for whoever else wants a round two in Afghanistan. A balanced relationship based on mutual respect, or no relationship at all. Hostility is better than slavery.

Friendship with U.S has given Pakistan nothing but thousands of dead Pakistanis and a volatile western border as well as destroying the multicultural fabric of Pakistani society. Right from the beginning, Pakistan should have stayed away from both camps. But no, we like being used by world powers, especially the lot in our establishment, who are content as long as their retirement funds are sorted, the rest can go to hell.

 

[karakoram]

@WebMaster webby the quality of this website is falling day by day look at members from both side abusing each other openly and there is no one to ban or kick them out. Defence.pk team should look after these matters. Quality matter should be given preference at any cost.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Russia is a very cautious player. There is no big China-Russia axis, nor such an exist never existed.

Russia has it's own plan to dominate the asia, as she sits in the Eurasian region unlike many countries.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I think it's time for Pakistan to get tough, real tough on the Americans. We need to make a demand on US and stick with it - You are either with us or against us. If you are with us will you [Americans] fcukin provide India with toilets because the cross-border stink by the open defecation network in India is killing us.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I think it's time for Pakistan to get tough, real tough on the Americans. We need to make a demand on US and stick with it - You are either with us or against us. If you are with us will you [Americans] fcukin provide India with toilets because the cross-border stink by the open defecation network in India is killing us.

A good one indeed.

Pakistan can give Russia a footprint in the Sunni Muslim world.

Iran is really an oddball in the Muslim world.

 

[S Hussain]

The Hindu Zionist crusader alliance should be countered at all costs. Pakistan should develop closer ties with Iran, Turkey and China who are also facing similar problems.

 

[StraightShooter]

Pakistan can give Russia a footprint in the Sunni Muslim world.

Iran is really an oddball in the Muslim world.

What can Pakistan provide that Saudia, Turkiye & Iran cannot provide to Russia?

 

[Zarvan]

There's a catch-22 here.

Pakistan moves closer to Russia/China, USA takes a tough stand.
Washington takes a tough stand, Islamabad has no choice but to look towards Beijing and/or Moscow.

Though, it certainly appears that the "marriage of convenience" lasting around almost seventy years is about to result in a bitter divorce. And Pakistan wouldn't necessarily be at disadvantage if it can play its cards right.

Well Well Well Good to see you back Sir so you are back.

As for the situation it was coming for long time. We were only a little slow in bringing Russia on our side but as we are already buying Mi-35 testing Ak-103 and Russia also wants to join CPEC let's get rid of USA alliance provide them the only few necessary things and stop focusing more on them and move to China and Russia.

 

[wiseone2]

Pakistan should withdraw from the global war on terror, concentrate on eliminating terrorists that threaten it and find a localised solution to the issues here, and leave the rest for whoever else wants a round two in Afghanistan. A balanced relationship based on mutual respect, or no relationship at all. Hostility is better than slavery.

Friendship with U.S has given Pakistan nothing but thousands of dead Pakistanis and a volatile western border as well as destroying the multicultural fabric of Pakistani society. Right from the beginning, Pakistan should have stayed away from both camps. But no, we like being used by world powers, especially the lot in our establishment, who are content as long as their retirement funds are sorted, the rest can go to hell.

Pakistan benefited from US largess. You could have gotten more. To the degree you got in trouble it is your own fault - grandeur and delusion of your own elite still on vivid display on PDF

 

[Jlaw]

Pakistan can give nothing to Russia

India has a TEN time bigger market
And even the Afghans support ; prefer ; like India

Russia know India is siding with US now. They won't forget.

 

[HAIDER]

US will never invite India to play any major role insde Afghan land. ... that will complicate the situation beyond control..