US to hit militant safe havens in Pakistan

[Munir]

It is typical US. Invading a nation. Kiling civilians including women and children. First denying everything. Then denying civilian casualties. Then saying it was not avoidable. Now even with the fact the top Pakistani military say it is based on false intellegence (probably Afghanistani harrami kutteh) and the did not share not a single sorry... What should they expect from Al Qaida if they act this unhuman way?

 

[RabzonKhan]

This is certainly a gross violation of Pakistan's territory integrity, such actions are absolutely counter-productive and will not help us in our fight against our common enemy.

Having said that, I think time has come for our establishment to give-up the good (Afghan Taliban)........bad (Pakistani Taliban) terrorist policy, because of this policy today in the entire international community we our totally isolated even our Arab and Chinese friends are getting fed up with us.

It is time to wake-up before it is too late!




U.S. confirms raid in Pakistan

Cross-border ground assault against Taliban killed at least 15
New York Times
Sept. 3, 2008, 11:56PM

DERA ISMAIL KHAN, PAKISTAN — Helicopter-borne U.S. Special Operations troops attacked al-Qaida militants in a Pakistani village near the border with Afghanistan early Wednesday in the first publicly acknowledged case of U.S. forces conducting a ground raid on Pakistani soil, American officials said.
Until now, allied forces in Afghanistan have occasionally carried out airstrikes and artillery attacks in the border region of Pakistan against militants hiding there, and U.S. forces in "hot pursuit" of militants have had some latitude to chase them across the border.

But the commando raid by the American forces signaled what top U.S. officials said could be the opening salvo in a much broader campaign by Special Operations forces against the Taliban and al-Qaida inside Pakistan, a secret plan that Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has been advocating for months within President Bush's war council.

White House scolding

The Bush administration has criticized Pakistan in recent months for not doing enough to curb attacks by the Taliban and al-Qaida, which conduct cross-border attacks from bases inside the Pakistani tribal region.
There were conflicting reports about civilian casualties in the operation. American officials said one child was killed in the strike; a Pakistani military spokesman said the American troops opened fire on villagers, killing seven people.

After the attack, Pakistan lodged a "strong protest" with the American government and reserved the right of "self-defense and retaliation," said the Pakistani military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas.

Any incursion by American or NATO aircraft and helicopters into Pakistan in pursuit of Taliban militants is a contentious issue for Pakistan. Publicly, the Pakistani authorities say their country's sovereignty must be respected, and they always condemn such raids.

Many details of Wednesday's attack remain unclear, including how many commandos and helicopters were involved, and whether the strike was pre-planned against the al-Qaida targets or precipitated by militant attacks against allied forces in Afghanistan.

Sketchy details of raid

The governor of North-West Frontier Province, Owais Ahmed Ghani, said the helicopter attack occurred at about 3 a.m. and killed 20 people. Local residents said most of the dead were women and children, but this could not be confirmed.

One American official said that at least one child was killed, and that several women who died in the attack were helping the al-Qaida fighters.

A senior Pakistani official called the commando raid a "cowboy action" and said it had failed to capture or kill any senior Qaida or Taliban leaders.
According to accounts of the military action given by a Taliban commander and local residents, the latest attack was aimed at three houses in the Pakistani village of Jalal Khel, also known locally as Moosa Nika.

The village is in the Angoor Adda area of South Waziristan, near a known stronghold of the Taliban and al-Qaida and less than a mile from the border with Afghanistan.

The Taliban commander, known by the nom de guerre Commander Malang, said three helicopters were used in the attack, which took place close to a Pakistani military position on the border and killed 15 people.

 

[dr.umer]

If democracy can work in India…. why not in Pakistan?

Zardari, the corrupt personality of all is going to be your President, enjoy your democracy.

India don't have Zardari, world famous Mr. 10% now declared mentally unstable and it's good for them. You say you have seen lot of dictatorship supporters on this forum but on the same time there are many posts & threads full of documents stating how your beloved democratic leaders did corruption? Why did you turn a blind eye to them?

Also try to be a supporter of Pakistan first & then think about military or democracy...

 

[RabzonKhan]

Zardari, the corrupt personality of all is going to be your President, enjoy your democracy.

India don't have Zardari, world famous Mr. 10% now declared mentally unstable and it's good for them. You say you have seen lot of dictatorship supporters on this forum but on the same time there are many posts & threads full of documents stating how your beloved democratic leaders did corruption? Why did you turn a blind eye to them?

Also try to be a supporter of Pakistan first & then think about military or democracy...

If you want to know the people, look at their rulers.

Nation gets the leader they deserve. If we want decent leaders, we need to change ourselves first.

 

[dr.umer]

If you want to know the people, look at their rulers.

Nation gets the leader they deserve. If we want decent leaders, we need to change ourselves first.

No doubt about that.

 

[Spring Onion]

Reuters - Pakistan raid based on bad intelligence: official​

3 Sep 2008

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Suspected U.S. commandos blamed for killing 20 people in Pakistan were acting on faulty intelligence that was never shared with Pakistani forces inside the country, a Pakistani official said on Wednesday.

Nadeem Kiani, spokesman for the Pakistani Embassy in Washington, told Reuters that all those killed in the pre-dawn raid near Pakistan's border with Afghanistan in South Waziristan were unarmed civilians and not militants.

"The intelligence was not correct," Kiani said in an interview.

"This is Pakistan's territory. Being an ally, any action taken on this side of the border should have been taken by Pakistani forces. There was a need to share that information with the Pakistani side.

"We do have the capacity to share intelligence, and if there is any intelligence, our forces are in a position to take action immediately," he said.

Pentagon officials declined to comment on the incident.

(Reporting by David Morgan; Editing by Bill Trott)

Time to train tribesmen to kill these Yanki commandos targeting them specifically and you can have justification if they land here without sharing information with Pakistan they can be killed and we have no responsibility in this regard.

 

[dr.umer]

Time to train tribesmen to kill these Yanki commandos targeting them specifically and you can have justification if they land here without sharing information with Pakistan they can be killed and we have no responsibility in this regard.

This will surely work.

 

[Spring Onion]

This will surely work.

This has to be done umer and that too without bringing the pupets onboard as these puppets are the ones who soon after brefied by intellegence about the sensitive issues and proved Indian, CIA involvment in terrorism in NWFP rushed to US to transfer the information.

 

[dr.umer]

This has to be done umer and that too without bringing the pupets onboard as these puppets are the ones who soon after brefied by intellegence about the sensitive issues and proved Indian, CIA involvment in terrorism in NWFP rushed to US to transfer the information.

Also, what US don't realize is that it can loose support of Pakistan by performing such cheap stunts. As Maj. General Abbas said the attack would undermine Pakistan’s efforts to isolate militants and could threaten NATO’s major supply lines, which snake from Karachi through the tribal region into Afghanistan.

CH-47 Chinook transport helicopter was used in the attack.

 

[dr.umer]

Ok here goes Mr. 10%

Zardari says global terror Pakistan's priority

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) — The front-runner in Pakistan's presidential election says global terrorism is the biggest challenge facing the country and that it will continue to stand by the United States.

The comments from Asif Ali Zardari come after U.S. troops carried out their first known cross border ground attack on a suspected militant target. Pakistan's government, which is dominated by Zardari's party, issued strong protests.

However, Zardari said in a newspaper article published Thursday that Pakistan stood with the U.S. and other countries who have been attacked by terrorists.

He said an apparent assassination attempt on the prime minister hours after the U.S. raid underlined that global terrorism was Pakistan's primary challenge.

It sounds like he is trying to defend this US attack.

 

[Munir]

puppet... Just there to fill pockets and if that means allowing everything...

What did they say about Mush? I think Ghaddari and ppp shows that there is no limit.

 

[Skywalker]

Well Kasnjer ki nasal kanjer he rahey gi, no matter whatever we say, its his in his blood to eat haram and do haram khori on anybodys blood.

Once again I repeat the same that because of 60% of our nation is ***** so what else you could expect from the ***** majority with the enemy of stat media like GEO.

 

[batmannow]

American Forces Attack Militants on Pakistani Soil

THE HIDDIEN TRUTH
NYTimes.com
By PIR ZUBAIR SHAH, ERIC SCHMITT and JANE PERLEZ
Published: September 3, 2008

This article is by Pir Zubair Shah, Eric Schmitt and Jane Perlez.
DERA ISMAIL KHAN, Pakistan — Helicopter-borne American Special Operations forces attacked Qaeda militants in a Pakistani village near the border with Afghanistan early Wednesday in the first publicly acknowledged case of United States forces conducting a ground raid on Pakistani soil, American officials said.
Until now, allied forces in Afghanistan have occasionally carried out airstrikes and artillery attacks in the border region of Pakistan against militants hiding there, and American forces in “hot pursuit” of militants have had some latitude to chase them across the border.

But the commando raid by the American forces signaled what top American officials said could be the opening salvo in a much broader campaign by Special Operations forces against the Taliban and Al Qaeda inside Pakistan, a secret plan that Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has been advocating for months within President Bush’s war council.
It also seemed likely to complicate relations with Pakistan, where the already unstable political situation worsened after the resignation last month of President Pervez Musharraf, a longtime American ally.

“What you’re seeing is perhaps a stepping up of activity against militants in sanctuaries in the tribal areas that pose a direct threat to United States forces and Afghan forces in Afghanistan,” said one senior American official, who had been briefed on the attack and spoke on condition of anonymity because of the mission’s political sensitivity. “There’s potential to see more.”
While most American troops in Afghanistan operate under a NATO chain of command, the Special Operations forces who carried out this attack answer only to American commanders.

The Bush administration has criticized Pakistan in recent months for not doing enough to curb attacks by the Taliban and Al Qaeda, which keep bases inside the Pakistani tribal region and cross the border to attack American and NATO forces in Afghanistan. The action by the American forces on Wednesday in the border village appeared to be an effort to stanch the raids by Al Qaeda, the Taliban and other militants.
There were conflicting reports about civilian casualties in the operation. American officials said one child had been killed in the strike; a Pakistani military spokesman said the American troops had opened fire on villagers, killing seven people.

After the attack, Pakistan lodged a “strong protest” with the American government and reserved the right of “self-defense and retaliation,” said the Pakistani military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas.
Former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld had weighed plans to kill or capture top leaders of Al Qaeda inside Pakistan, but Mr. Rumsfeld, for all his public bravado, wanted to tread cautiously in Pakistan for fear of undermining Mr. Musharraf. With Mr. Musharraf’s resignation, that issue is no longer a concern.
Many details of Wednesday’s attack remain unclear, including how many commandos and helicopters were involved, and whether the strike was planned earlier against the Qaeda targets or precipitated by militant attacks against allied forces in Afghanistan.

American military spokesmen at the Bagram air base in Afghanistan, the United States Central Command in Tampa, Fla., and the Pentagon declined to comment on the strike. The spokesmen did not deny that the attack had occurred.
Three other senior American officials provided some details of the attack, but only on the condition of anonymity because of the secrecy surrounding any aspect of the Joint Special Operations Command, whose “special mission units” carry out the military’s most secret counterterrorism missions.
In a telephone interview, General Abbas, the Pakistani military spokesman, said the soldiers from the International Security Assistance Force, which is made up of NATO and American forces, had created “new problems” for the Pakistani soldiers based along the border.
By killing civilians, General Abbas said, there was now a great risk of an uprising by the tribesmen who supported the Pakistani soldiers in the border area. The tribesmen, who oppose the Taliban and support the Pakistani forces, will now be extremely angry, he said.
“Such actions are completely counterproductive and can result in huge losses, because it gives the civilians a cause to rise against the Pakistani military,” he said.

The governor of North-West Frontier Province, Owais Ahmed Ghani, said the helicopter attack occurred about 3 a.m. and killed 20 people. Local residents said most of the dead were women and children, but this could not be confirmed.
One American official said that at least one child had been killed, and that several women who died in the attack were helping the Qaeda fighters.

The governor, the most powerful civilian leader in the province, which abuts South Waziristan, condemned the attacks and called for retaliation by Pakistan.

A senior Pakistani official called the commando raid a “cowboy action” and said it had failed to capture or kill any senior Qaeda or Taliban leaders.

“If they had gotten anyone big, they would be bragging about it,” he said.

The Pakistani official said that American military officers in the field had become increasingly vocal about the need for unilateral strikes inside the tribal areas, but that their intelligence about the location of militant leaders was no better than it had been in the past.

But in the past, the senior ranks of the Pakistani military have supported, in principle, these kinds of missions. The country’s civilian political leadership at a minimum may have to criticize such missions on the grounds of sovereignty and the risk of civilian casualties.

According to an earlier description of the military action on Wednesday given by a Taliban commander and local residents, the attack was aimed at three houses in the village of Jalal Khel, also known locally as Moosa Nika, in the Angoor Adda area of South Waziristan, near a stronghold of the Taliban and Al Qaeda and less than a mile from the border with Afghanistan.
The Taliban commander, known by the nom de guerre Commander Malang, said the attack took place close to a Pakistani military position on the border and killed 15 people. But the Pakistani military took no action, he said.

According to Commander Malang, three helicopters flew into the Pakistani side of the border and one of them, carrying soldiers, landed. Soldiers who came out of the helicopter opened fire on people in the village, he said, while the other two helicopters hovered overhead.

The commander, who is based in the town of Wana, said he was not at the scene. He received the description via radio, he said. The soldiers “killed innocent people” in the village adjacent to a security post of the Pakistani Frontier Corps. There was no immediate way to independently confirm the account of the Taliban leader.
General Abbas, the Pakistani military spokesman, said the American commandos spilling from the helicopter had opened fire on villagers, killing seven people.

Any incursion by American or NATO aircraft into Pakistan in so-called hot pursuit of Taliban militants is a contentious issue for Pakistan.

Publicly, the Pakistani authorities say their country’s sovereignty must be respected, and they always condemn such raids.
At the same time, Washington has become more vocal about increased attacks by Taliban and Qaeda forces crossing into Afghanistan from Pakistan to fight coalition forces.
Last week, Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met secretly with the Pakistani army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, on an aircraft carrier in the Arabian Sea to discuss how to combat the escalating violence along the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Officials briefed on the meeting said a wider campaign by American Special Operations forces in the tribal areas was not discussed, although there had been growing expectations among Pakistanis that American units would respond by attacking more forcefully into Pakistani territory.
The Angoor Adda area is on the border with Afghanistan, and its mud-walled compounds are known as a center of Taliban and Qaeda strength.

Sher Khan, a phone company employee in Angoor Adda, said in a telephone interview that 19 people were killed in the raid. He said most of the dead were women and children.
A Pakistani intelligence official in South Waziristan said in a telephone interview that a group of Taliban had crossed the border into Afghanistan before an attack late Tuesday. In response, the Afghan National Army called for air support, the intelligence official said, speaking in return for customary anonymity.
The helicopters chased the Taliban militants across the border back into South Waziristan, according to the intelligence official’s account.

But the Taliban militants escaped, the official said.
Pir Zubair Shah reported from Dera Ismail Khan, Jane Perlez from Islamabad, Pakistan, and Eric Schmitt from Washington. Mark Mazzetti contributed from Orlando, Fla.


Thursday September 4, 10:27 PM
Pakistan condemns cross-border raid on village


ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Pakistan condemned Thursday a cross-border raid by Afghanistan-based international troops on a tribal village as "shameful" and unjustified, saying that only civilians had been targeted.

The fiery criticism from the foreign minister came after the US ambassador to Islamabad was summoned in protest at the incident in tribal South Waziristan, in which local officials said at least 15 people were killed.

Wednesday's raid marked the first time Pakistan has accused international troops based in Afghanistan of a direct attack on its soil since they were deployed in late 2001 to oust the hardline Taliban regime from power in Kabul.

Both the US-led coalition and the separate NATO-led security force operating in Afghanistan have said they have no knowledge of any such incident in South Waziristan, a known haven for Taliban and Al-Qaeda militants.

A Pentagon spokesman declined to comment.

Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi decried the raid as unjustified, saying there had not been a "high-value target" in the village attacked, and called on foreign forces to review their rules of engagement.


Like always, only talking... no actions

 

[Human]

Pakistan's army at the moment is the most impotent army in the world... our country gets attacked by foreign elements and our army is busy killing its own people. why do we contribute more then 60% for our annual budget to the army??? they take our money and then use it to kill us... our army is living on our blood, each bullet they make is equivalent to days of hunger by poor family... we stay hungry so that our army can protect us and we afford our army's elaborated lavishness... but I think it is not enough for our army that is why now they are drinking our blood in swat and fata doing some target practice... we should ask ourselves a few questions.. why were the tribal people living in harmony before musharraf came into power?? what happened to them now?? why have they started hating us in a few years??

The army's share in the annual budget should be debated in parliament and should be cut down considerably. Our army is doing nothing; our borders are violated almost everyday and innocent people are being killed. It is that our army should be held accountable and should be told about their place in the country.

 

[dr.umer]

ISAF action shameful, regrettable and surprising: Qureshi ​

ISLAMABAD, Sep 4 (APP): Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Thursday termed the ISAF action in Angoor Adda shameful, regrettable and surprising and said it was an ‘unforgivable incident.’ Speaking in the National Assembly, he said Pakistan’s sovereignty and territory has been violated despite its central role in the war against terrorism.

“Pakistan is committed to fight against extremism and terrorism and our track record proves that Pakistan Army has laid down their lives to fight this monster,” he stated.

He said Foreign Office has already lodged a strong protest with the US by summoning its ambassador and conveying Pakistan and its people’s reservations over the attack.

Qureshi said he was surprised at the attack because rules of engagement are already decided and the NATO spokesman was also unaware of the attack inside Pakistan’s territory.

Shah Mahmood Qureshi said the attack was also violation of international norms and principles of UN charter.

He said only innocent people including women and children died in the attack and there has been no reports of any high value target being hit.

He said Border Coordination Centres (BCCs), set up on Torkham border and having representation of Afghanistan, ISAF and Pakistan, were not consulted prior to taking such action.

He said the number of terrorists that Pakistan has arrested surpasses those arrested by the ISAF.

He said in order to check Afghanistan’s claim of Pakistanis entering their territory for terrorist attacks, Pakistan has offered partial fencing of the border, identification of vehicles travelling across the border and biometrics identification system.

Qureshi, however, regretted that the Afghan government’s response had not been positive.

He told the Afghan authorities in clear terms that Pakistan should not be blamed for incidents inside their territory as they have serious issues of governance, law and order and narcotics trade.

“I tell the Afghan government that nothing will be gained from incidents like Angoor Adda. You must review your policies.”

He said government’s efforts for political dialogue in Hangu has seen tribal chiefs rising against the militants and assuring support for the government.

“We weaned them from extremist elements...such incidents will fuel hatred and the tribals who are cooperating with us will change their minds,” Qureshi added.

The opposition and the government, he added, has no division over Pakistan’s interests and self-respect.

“We will defend our territorial integrity,” he added.

The foreign minister said the government will take opposition into confidence for formulating a national consensus on important national matters.

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Only condemnation in National Assembly is not enough. Some practical steps need to be taken now to keep US ba$tards out of our borders.

This message in its full strength should have been conveyed by Mr. 10% but his message (posted already) seems to justify this action.

Mr. Qureshi, better you or ask Mr. 10% to bark it out on US & tell him to stop acting like a national disgracer (with his cheap smile). as the video below shows some different side of you.

Mr. Qureshi seems totally confused as Kashif Abbasi asks him questions as what can be done to prevent US attacks on Pakistan soil.