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US to deploy 16 F-35 stealth fighters at west Japan base next year

Mind your language.

US was brave against Germany, USSR and Japan as well.

US gave Iraq 1 year to leave Kuwait in 1990. US also ignored Afghanistan until 9/11 event. However, invasion of Iraq was wrong. But keep in mind that US offered even the likes of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Qaddafi a chance to step down from leadership and safe passage.

Americans warn you first (i.e. prioritize diplomacy); take disciplinary action against you later (when you don't heed the warning). This is how a responsible state should behave.

Saddam was wrongly accused of possessing WMDs, the US didn't invade Iraq because Saddam was a dictator, so there's no question of the US asking Saddam to step down, you're twisting facts in order to defend the greatest terrorist state in the history of the world.
 
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Yes, the US has always been scared of Iran ever since the failed rescue attempt in 1979. Now Iran has Russia and China firmly supporting her. As for timidness, you couldn't deny that Chamberlain's diplomacy with Nazi Germany was actually timidness.



Will you take part in the war? No, so what makes you different? The only difference is you see China through the Hollywood lenses, we don't.
There is a difference between diplomatic solution and appeasement...Chamberlain literally wrote parts of Czechoslovakia to the Nazis. The US could have wiped Iran of the map in 1979...but Carter was a pacifist and did not go ahead with such a drastic measure....only a delusional fool would think that Russia or China would actively engage the US in a war against Iran. The Soviet Union is dead...and Iran is worth much less to China than its relations with the US.
 
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There is a difference between diplomatic solution and appeasement...Chamberlain literally wrote parts of Czechoslovakia to the Nazis. The US could have wiped Iran of the map in 1979...but Carter was a pacifist and did not go ahead with such a drastic measure....only a delusional fool would think that Russia or China would actively engage the US in a war against Iran. The Soviet Union is dead...and Iran is worth much less to China than its relations with the US.

According to your logic no country is worth anything to China compared to the US if we consider the sheer volume of trade between those two states but the fact is China was willing and is willing to go to war with the US over Pakistan. This is the only reason why the US hasn't attacked Pakistan so far. India and her puppets like you won't ever be able to comprehend this, it's too complicated for them or perhaps they are too full of sh!t to see it.
 
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According to your logic no country is worth anything to China compared to the US if we consider the sheer volume of trade between those two states but the fact is China was willing and is willing to go to war with the US over Pakistan. This is the only reason why the US hasn't attacked Pakistan so far. India and her puppets like you won't ever be able to comprehend this, it's too complicated for them or perhaps they are too full of sh!t to see it.
Hahaha....history speaks otherwise....China will NEVER go to war with a much powerful US over Pakistan...they didn't even touch a much weaker India in 1971 to save Pakistan...you just proved that you know jackshit about international politics...you might feel like you are a very smart analyst but your conflating of diplomacy with weakness and confident statements about historically unreliable allies proves you are nothing but a fanboy on a defence forum. China will never go to direct conflict with the US over any country other than their own.
 
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Hahaha....history speaks otherwise....China will NEVER go to war with a much powerful US over Pakistan...they didn't even touch a much weaker India in 1971 to save Pakistan...you just proved that you know jackshit about international politics...you might feel like you are a very smart analyst but your conflating of diplomacy with weakness and confident statements about historically unreliable allies proves you are nothing but a fanboy on a defence forum. China will never go to direct conflict with the US over any country other than their own.

Jackshit coming from jackass like you, I'm not surprised. Why don't you just post on your master's defence forum? On those indian forums they regularly pass jackshit as gold.
 
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According to your logic no country is worth anything to China compared to the US if we consider the sheer volume of trade between those two states but the fact is China was willing and is willing to go to war with the US over Pakistan. This is the only reason why the US hasn't attacked Pakistan so far. India and her puppets like you won't ever be able to comprehend this, it's too complicated for them or perhaps they are too full of sh!t to see it.

If the US is attacking Pakistan, then China has to go to the war.

Because China already knows that the US is willing to break the bound, and such trade relationship cannot be maintained unilaterally.
 
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If the US is attacking Pakistan, then China has to go to the war.

Because China already knows that the US is willing to break the bound, and such trade relationship cannot be maintained unilaterally.

You can have trade if you have a state, the security of the state takes precedence over trade when push comes to shove. Indian puppets on this forum know it but because of their bird brain which is infected by Pakistan and China phobia they cannot handle it.
 
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You can have trade if you have a state, the security of the state takes precedence over trade when push comes to shove. Indian puppets on this forum know it but because of their bird brain which is infected by Pakistan and China phobia they cannot handle it.

That's right. What is the point for China to keep maintaining a trade relationship with the US when she wants to attack to attack China and its allies?

The wish for the peace cannot be maintained unilaterally, it has to reach the consensus bilaterally.
 
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The $400bn F-35 is 'not on a path to success': Damning test report warns fighter jet is 'running out of time and money'
  • Fifth-generation fighter has been plagued with issues
  • $400bnbn development schedule has stretched to 15 years
  • Weeks ago military bosses claimed it was finally 'combat ready'
By MARK PRIGG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 16:28 EST, 25 August 2016 | UPDATED: 19:04 EST, 25 August 2016

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter has been hailed as the 'most expensive weapon in history,' and with a price tag of $400 billion for 2,457 planes, the fifth-generation fighter has been plagued with issues.

But it appeared the tide had finally turned earlier this month when the U.S. Air Force has declared an initial squadron of Lockheed Martin Corp F-35A fighter jets ready for combat.

Now, the Pentagon's director of operational testing has poured cold water on the announcement, slamming the planes readiness.

Michael Gilmore, stated the F-35 is 'actually not on a path toward success but instead on a path toward failing to deliver' the plane's full combat capabilities on time, according toBloomberg.

Gilmore also said the plane is 'running out of time and money' to address deficiencies

'Achieving full combat capability with the Joint Strike Fighter is at substantial risk' of not occurring before development is supposed to end and realistic combat testing begins, he said of the F-35.


The U.S. Air Force has declared an initial squadron of Lockheed Martin Corp F-35A fighter jets ready for combat, marking a major milestone for a program that has faced cost overruns and delays.

However, the most complex software capabilities 'are just being added' and new problems requiring fixes and verification testing 'continue to be discovered at a substantial rate,' Gilmore wrote to Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James; General David Goldfein, the service's chief of staff; and Frank Kendall, the Pentagon's acquisitions chief.

The action is another achievement for the $379 billion program, the Pentagon's largest weapons project.

The Air Force's decision follows one by the U.S. Marine Corps in July 2015 declaring a first squadron of F-35s ready for combat.

'The U.S. Air Force decision to make the 15 F-35As ... combat ready sends a simple and powerful message to America's friends and foes alike - the F-35 can do its mission,' the program's chief, Air Force Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan, said in a statement.

Dan Grazier, a fellow of the Project On Government Oversight, said, however, 'This is nothing but a public relations stunt.'
He added that it would not be possible to know if the F-35 jets were ready for combat until after initial operational testing.

'The program is not doing everything they wanted it to do ... But they're at a point now where it is stabilizing and so it is progress,' said Todd Harrison, a defense analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies

Officials say the F-35 will give the U.S. military the ability to detect enemy aircraft and other threats far beyond current ranges, allowing the jets to strike targets and disappear long before they are detected.

The U.S. Air Force plans to buy a total of 1,763 F-35A conventional takeoff and landing jets in coming years and will operate the largest F-35 fleet in the world.

Air Force General Herbert Carlisle, commander of Air Combat Command, said work to upgrade the jet would continue in areas such as software, making the displays more intuitive and boosting the ability to share information between aircraft.
The aircraft could provide basic air support at this point but did not have everything the final version would, such as an infrared pointer, Carlisle said, adding that he would try to get the jets deployed to Europe and the Pacific within 18 months.

Lockheed is building three models of the F-35 Lightning II for the U.S. military and 10 countries that have already ordered the jets: Britain, Australia, Norway, Italy, Turkey, Denmark, the Netherlands, Israel, South Korea and Japan.

The Pentagon's F-35 program office said it remained in negotiations with Lockheed over long-delayed contracts for the next two batches of F-35 jets, deals worth about $15 billion.

'We're seeking a fair deal for the F-35 enterprise and industry,' said F-35 program spokesman Joe DellaVedova.

The program, launched in 2001, has made strides in recent years after huge cost overruns and technical problems that sent the project's cost up nearly 70 percent.

Problems with the fighter jet included issues with the radar software and increased risk of neck injury to lower-weight pilots when they ejected from the aircraft.
Industry and U.S. defense officials say they are working hard to continue driving down the cost of the new warplanes to $85 million per plane by 2019, as well as the cost of operating them.

Senator John McCain, the Republican chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he welcomed the announcement but made clear he intended to keep a close eye on the hugely expensive program.
'The Senate Armed Services Committee will continue to exercise rigorous oversight of the Joint Strike Fighter program's long-delayed System Development and Demonstration phase as well as the start of the operational test and evaluation phase,' McCain said in a statement.


To become battle ready, at least a dozen individual F-35 must demonstrate their ability to drop bombs and shoot down other planes.

Each jet must be upgraded to a specific software package, and plugged into the complex logistics cloud that manages maintenance.
The F-35 project office had previously set an Aug. 1 target date.



The project has been plagued with delays.

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter's record on cost, schedule and performance has been a scandal and a tragedy, Senator John McCain told senior Pentagon officials earlier this year.

McCain, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the aircraft's development schedule has stretched to 15 years, deliveries of the F-35 have been delayed, and costs have skyrocketed.

'It's been a scandal and the cost overruns have been disgraceful,' McCain said.


Most recently, problems with its logistics software system grounded the entire fleet.

The issue is with what the Department of Defense officials call the 'brains' of plane, also known as the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS).

A Government Accountability Office report says a failure 'could take the entire fleet offline' because there is no backup system.

The report also says a lack of testing done of the software will mean it's not ready for its deployment by the Air Force in August and the Navy in 2018.

The 'brains' of the F35 are one of three major components, with the other two being the engine and airframe.

CNN points out that the software runs on ground computers rather than operating on the plane itself.

It is designed to support operations, mission planning and to spot any maintenance issues with the vehicle.

'Program officials said that if ALIS is not fully functional, the F-35 could not be operated as frequently as intended,' the report said.

'But a DoD commissioned plan found that schedule slippage and functionality problems with ALIS could lead to $20-100 billion in additional costs.'

So far, the software has been so flawed that maintenance crews have had to resort labour-intensive alternatives.

According to National Interest, in one instance maintainers had to manually burn data onto CDs and to send the massive files across a civilian WiFi network.

One major problem, the report said, is that the F-35 data produced goes through a single main operating unit which has no back up.

'The F-35 is still in development, and this is the time when technical challenges are expected,' Lt. Genernal Chris Bogdon told CNN.

'However, we believe the combined government and industry team will resolve current issues and future discoveries,' he said.

Lead defense contractor for the plane, Lockheed Martin, insists development of the logistics software is on schedule.

'As ALIS development continues, our focus is on the warfighter and delivering the most effective, efficient fleet management system to sustain the F-35 over the next five decades of operations,' said Sharon Parsley, a spokeswoman for Lockheed Martin.

'The recommendations by the GAO are in line with the actions already underway in preparation for full-rate production and worldwide sustainment.'
This isn't the only problem to plague the program.

Last month, it has emerged the jets complex radar system has a problem - it keeps crashing.

The software glitch that interferes with the ability of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter's AN/APG-81 AESA radar working in flight.


This poses the greatest threat to delaying US Air Force (USAF) plans to declare its jets operationally deployable, a top service official told Janes.

Major General Jeffrey Harrigian, director of the air force's F-35 integration office at the Pentagon, described the problem as 'radar stability - the radar's ability to stay up and running'.
'What would happen is they'd get a signal that says either a radar degrade or a radar fail -something that would force us to restart the radar,' Maj Gen Harrigian said

Another Pentagon report revealed a massive list of potentially lethal bugs still facing the jet.

It also found problems with the computer software, including 'in fusion, electronic warfare, and weapons employment result[ing] in ambiguous threat displays, limited ability to respond to threats, and a requirement for off-board sources to provide accurate coordinates for precision attack.'

Last year researchers revealed the hugely delayed and over budget project has finally fired its first shots in the air.

The F-35A Lightning II completed the first three airborne gunfire bursts from its internal Gun Airborne Unit (GAU)-22/A 25mm Gatling gun system during a California test flight on October 30th.

The F-35 also has a smart parts system to ensure everything is working within its limits, and can warn when parts need to be replaced.

However, the computerized maintenance management System, or CMMS, 'incorrectly authorizes older/inappropriate replacement parts.' the report said.
It also fails to detect if it's been flying too fast and 'randomly prevented user logins' into its computerised control system.


In the first live firing test, three bursts of one 30 rounds and two 60 rounds each were fired from the aircraft's four-barrel, 25-millimeter Gatling gun.

In integrating the weapon into the stealthy F 35A airframe, the gun must be kept hidden behind closed doors to reduce its radar cross section until the trigger is pulled.

'The successful aerial gun test sortie was a culmination of several years' planning, which intensified in the first half of 2015 at the Edwards F-35 Integrated Test Force (ITF) Flight Test Squadron with a team of Air Force, Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney, General Dynamics, and Northrop Grumman personnel,' said Mike Glass, Edwards ITF flight test director.
'The results of this testing will be used in future blocks of testing, where the accuracy and mission effectiveness capabilities will be evaluated.'

The 25mm gun is embedded in the F-35A's left wing and is designed to be integrated in a way to maintain the F-35's very low observable criteria.

It will provide pilots with the ability to engage air-to-ground and air-to-air targets.

'At the end of the program's system development and demonstration phase in 2017, the F-35 will have an operational gun.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ort-warns-fighter-jet-running-time-money.html
 
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That's right. What is the point for China to keep maintaining a trade relationship with the US when she wants to attack to attack China and its allies?

The wish for the peace cannot be maintained unilaterally, it has to reach the consensus bilaterally.
The Chinese are not in a position to wage war even for SCS at present and why would they go to war for pakistan?

You can have trade if you have a state, the security of the state takes precedence over trade when push comes to shove. Indian puppets on this forum know it but because of their bird brain which is infected by Pakistan and China phobia they cannot handle it.
Economic globalization has made it a point neither china nor US can afford to go to war at present- Simple reason is security which is brought by the bilateral trade . Forget about the Indian brains , from which archeological dig they found ur brain?
 
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The Chinese are not in a position to wage war even for SCS at present and why would they go to war for pakistan?


Economic globalization has made it a point neither china nor US can afford to go to war at present- Simple reason is security which is brought by the bilateral trade . Forget about the Indian brains , from which archeological dig they found ur brain?

We all know that most indians think that China and india are in the same league. This is why they are held in such high 'esteem' on this forum, they play the role of jokers to keep the other members entertained.
 
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The $400bn F-35 is 'not on a path to success': Damning test report warns fighter jet is 'running out of time and money'
  • Fifth-generation fighter has been plagued with issues
  • $400bnbn development schedule has stretched to 15 years
  • Weeks ago military bosses claimed it was finally 'combat ready'
By MARK PRIGG FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 16:28 EST, 25 August 2016 | UPDATED: 19:04 EST, 25 August 2016

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter has been hailed as the 'most expensive weapon in history,' and with a price tag of $400 billion for 2,457 planes, the fifth-generation fighter has been plagued with issues.

But it appeared the tide had finally turned earlier this month when the U.S. Air Force has declared an initial squadron of Lockheed Martin Corp F-35A fighter jets ready for combat.

Now, the Pentagon's director of operational testing has poured cold water on the announcement, slamming the planes readiness.

Michael Gilmore, stated the F-35 is 'actually not on a path toward success but instead on a path toward failing to deliver' the plane's full combat capabilities on time, according toBloomberg.

Gilmore also said the plane is 'running out of time and money' to address deficiencies

'Achieving full combat capability with the Joint Strike Fighter is at substantial risk' of not occurring before development is supposed to end and realistic combat testing begins, he said of the F-35.


The U.S. Air Force has declared an initial squadron of Lockheed Martin Corp F-35A fighter jets ready for combat, marking a major milestone for a program that has faced cost overruns and delays.

However, the most complex software capabilities 'are just being added' and new problems requiring fixes and verification testing 'continue to be discovered at a substantial rate,' Gilmore wrote to Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James; General David Goldfein, the service's chief of staff; and Frank Kendall, the Pentagon's acquisitions chief.

The action is another achievement for the $379 billion program, the Pentagon's largest weapons project.

The Air Force's decision follows one by the U.S. Marine Corps in July 2015 declaring a first squadron of F-35s ready for combat.

'The U.S. Air Force decision to make the 15 F-35As ... combat ready sends a simple and powerful message to America's friends and foes alike - the F-35 can do its mission,' the program's chief, Air Force Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan, said in a statement.

Dan Grazier, a fellow of the Project On Government Oversight, said, however, 'This is nothing but a public relations stunt.'
He added that it would not be possible to know if the F-35 jets were ready for combat until after initial operational testing.

'The program is not doing everything they wanted it to do ... But they're at a point now where it is stabilizing and so it is progress,' said Todd Harrison, a defense analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies

Officials say the F-35 will give the U.S. military the ability to detect enemy aircraft and other threats far beyond current ranges, allowing the jets to strike targets and disappear long before they are detected.

The U.S. Air Force plans to buy a total of 1,763 F-35A conventional takeoff and landing jets in coming years and will operate the largest F-35 fleet in the world.

Air Force General Herbert Carlisle, commander of Air Combat Command, said work to upgrade the jet would continue in areas such as software, making the displays more intuitive and boosting the ability to share information between aircraft.
The aircraft could provide basic air support at this point but did not have everything the final version would, such as an infrared pointer, Carlisle said, adding that he would try to get the jets deployed to Europe and the Pacific within 18 months.

Lockheed is building three models of the F-35 Lightning II for the U.S. military and 10 countries that have already ordered the jets: Britain, Australia, Norway, Italy, Turkey, Denmark, the Netherlands, Israel, South Korea and Japan.

The Pentagon's F-35 program office said it remained in negotiations with Lockheed over long-delayed contracts for the next two batches of F-35 jets, deals worth about $15 billion.

'We're seeking a fair deal for the F-35 enterprise and industry,' said F-35 program spokesman Joe DellaVedova.

The program, launched in 2001, has made strides in recent years after huge cost overruns and technical problems that sent the project's cost up nearly 70 percent.

Problems with the fighter jet included issues with the radar software and increased risk of neck injury to lower-weight pilots when they ejected from the aircraft.
Industry and U.S. defense officials say they are working hard to continue driving down the cost of the new warplanes to $85 million per plane by 2019, as well as the cost of operating them.

Senator John McCain, the Republican chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said he welcomed the announcement but made clear he intended to keep a close eye on the hugely expensive program.
'The Senate Armed Services Committee will continue to exercise rigorous oversight of the Joint Strike Fighter program's long-delayed System Development and Demonstration phase as well as the start of the operational test and evaluation phase,' McCain said in a statement.


To become battle ready, at least a dozen individual F-35 must demonstrate their ability to drop bombs and shoot down other planes.

Each jet must be upgraded to a specific software package, and plugged into the complex logistics cloud that manages maintenance.
The F-35 project office had previously set an Aug. 1 target date.



The project has been plagued with delays.

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter's record on cost, schedule and performance has been a scandal and a tragedy, Senator John McCain told senior Pentagon officials earlier this year.

McCain, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the aircraft's development schedule has stretched to 15 years, deliveries of the F-35 have been delayed, and costs have skyrocketed.

'It's been a scandal and the cost overruns have been disgraceful,' McCain said.


Most recently, problems with its logistics software system grounded the entire fleet.

The issue is with what the Department of Defense officials call the 'brains' of plane, also known as the Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS).

A Government Accountability Office report says a failure 'could take the entire fleet offline' because there is no backup system.

The report also says a lack of testing done of the software will mean it's not ready for its deployment by the Air Force in August and the Navy in 2018.

The 'brains' of the F35 are one of three major components, with the other two being the engine and airframe.

CNN points out that the software runs on ground computers rather than operating on the plane itself.

It is designed to support operations, mission planning and to spot any maintenance issues with the vehicle.

'Program officials said that if ALIS is not fully functional, the F-35 could not be operated as frequently as intended,' the report said.

'But a DoD commissioned plan found that schedule slippage and functionality problems with ALIS could lead to $20-100 billion in additional costs.'

So far, the software has been so flawed that maintenance crews have had to resort labour-intensive alternatives.

According to National Interest, in one instance maintainers had to manually burn data onto CDs and to send the massive files across a civilian WiFi network.

One major problem, the report said, is that the F-35 data produced goes through a single main operating unit which has no back up.

'The F-35 is still in development, and this is the time when technical challenges are expected,' Lt. Genernal Chris Bogdon told CNN.

'However, we believe the combined government and industry team will resolve current issues and future discoveries,' he said.

Lead defense contractor for the plane, Lockheed Martin, insists development of the logistics software is on schedule.

'As ALIS development continues, our focus is on the warfighter and delivering the most effective, efficient fleet management system to sustain the F-35 over the next five decades of operations,' said Sharon Parsley, a spokeswoman for Lockheed Martin.

'The recommendations by the GAO are in line with the actions already underway in preparation for full-rate production and worldwide sustainment.'
This isn't the only problem to plague the program.

Last month, it has emerged the jets complex radar system has a problem - it keeps crashing.

The software glitch that interferes with the ability of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter's AN/APG-81 AESA radar working in flight.


This poses the greatest threat to delaying US Air Force (USAF) plans to declare its jets operationally deployable, a top service official told Janes.

Major General Jeffrey Harrigian, director of the air force's F-35 integration office at the Pentagon, described the problem as 'radar stability - the radar's ability to stay up and running'.
'What would happen is they'd get a signal that says either a radar degrade or a radar fail -something that would force us to restart the radar,' Maj Gen Harrigian said

Another Pentagon report revealed a massive list of potentially lethal bugs still facing the jet.

It also found problems with the computer software, including 'in fusion, electronic warfare, and weapons employment result[ing] in ambiguous threat displays, limited ability to respond to threats, and a requirement for off-board sources to provide accurate coordinates for precision attack.'

Last year researchers revealed the hugely delayed and over budget project has finally fired its first shots in the air.

The F-35A Lightning II completed the first three airborne gunfire bursts from its internal Gun Airborne Unit (GAU)-22/A 25mm Gatling gun system during a California test flight on October 30th.

The F-35 also has a smart parts system to ensure everything is working within its limits, and can warn when parts need to be replaced.

However, the computerized maintenance management System, or CMMS, 'incorrectly authorizes older/inappropriate replacement parts.' the report said.
It also fails to detect if it's been flying too fast and 'randomly prevented user logins' into its computerised control system.


In the first live firing test, three bursts of one 30 rounds and two 60 rounds each were fired from the aircraft's four-barrel, 25-millimeter Gatling gun.

In integrating the weapon into the stealthy F 35A airframe, the gun must be kept hidden behind closed doors to reduce its radar cross section until the trigger is pulled.

'The successful aerial gun test sortie was a culmination of several years' planning, which intensified in the first half of 2015 at the Edwards F-35 Integrated Test Force (ITF) Flight Test Squadron with a team of Air Force, Lockheed Martin, Pratt & Whitney, General Dynamics, and Northrop Grumman personnel,' said Mike Glass, Edwards ITF flight test director.
'The results of this testing will be used in future blocks of testing, where the accuracy and mission effectiveness capabilities will be evaluated.'

The 25mm gun is embedded in the F-35A's left wing and is designed to be integrated in a way to maintain the F-35's very low observable criteria.

It will provide pilots with the ability to engage air-to-ground and air-to-air targets.

'At the end of the program's system development and demonstration phase in 2017, the F-35 will have an operational gun.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ort-warns-fighter-jet-running-time-money.html

Everyone said this or that about Microsoft Windows. And actually Microsoft Windows always has troubles with this or that and always requires updated security packages.
But they can't deny the fact that "Microsoft Windows" is always the most popular worldwide.

MS Windows and F-35 are targeting because their popularity. Very few people want to pay attention to Ubuntu and "some other stealth fighters"
 
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Hahaha....history speaks otherwise....China will NEVER go to war with a much powerful US over Pakistan...they didn't even touch a much weaker India in 1971 to save Pakistan...you just proved that you know jackshit about international politics...you might feel like you are a very smart analyst but your conflating of diplomacy with weakness and confident statements about historically unreliable allies proves you are nothing but a fanboy on a defence forum. China will never go to direct conflict with the US over any country other than their own.
but china did go to war against us-led forces for north korea?
 
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