US threatens Taliban airstrikes in Quetta

[Patriot]

Very Funny

Do you think present regime will oppose US


Abtadai asaq hai routa ha kia
Age age dekaye huta hay kia

Regimes can be removed if required.

 

[Spring Onion]

who cares about regim. We are enough to put pressure, as was done in case of blackwater.

 

[Comet]

who cares about regim. We are enough to put pressure, as was done in case of blackwater.

Nothing is happening in terms of BlackWater.

 

[All-Green]

Re examine the article and it shall be found most shallow by all of you.
It is without clear references to who has clearly threatened whom and in what manner...

A Pakistani diplomat lauding the sincerity of Zardari and throwing Pakistan Army with the Taliban?
Did Zardari attack TTP in SWAT with this 9mm or did the Army undertake the operation?

No clear references to the key accusations that this article makes...and their acceptance by Pakistan or USA

However it does shed a light on this particular journalist and her obsession to see Pakistan in a negative light...

 

[Spring Onion]

Nothing is happening in terms of BlackWater.

Alot is going on its another matter that interior ministry and some at prez office as according to news reports are trying to save the head of Inter-Risk

 

[Spring Onion]

Re examine the article and it shall be found most shallow by all of you.
It is without clear references to who has clearly threatened whom and in what manner...

A Pakistani diplomat lauding the sincerity of Zardari and throwing Pakistan Army with the Taliban?
Did Zardari attack TTP in SWAT with this 9mm or did the Army undertake the operation?

No clear references to the key accusations that this article makes...and their acceptance by Pakistan or USA

However it does shed a light on this particular journalist and her obsession to see Pakistan in a negative light...

She is part of US psy-ops propaganda machine since long.

The claim about WMDs in Iraq were also shallow but the ground for attack was paved through simillar shallow psy-ops.

 

[IceCold]

Are we suppose to worry about the news? we are too busy sleeping and living in the world of denial and i use the word denial because its being used alot of times w.r.t taliban but the only difference this time is that we are still in denial as far as US role is concerned in the region and specially against Pakistan, the fact that US does not have any positive outcome towards Pakistan. It wants to continue put all blame across the border and some how justify to move across.
A biggest mistake imo was when the governement silently nodeed in approval for the drone strikes and now they are happening without impunity,the airstrikes is the next stage bomb quetta and then maybe more.
So as long as we keep denying ourselves we will not only continue to hear such nonsense from different quoters but at some point they may actually become reality. Some one earlier said can the US afford alienating the nation even more, the question here is does the US care at all.

 

[Spring Onion]

The Quetta shura

Dawn Editorial
Sunday, 27 Sep, 2009

An article in The New York Times has revealed that tensions between the Pakistan and the US are increasing once again on account of Pakistan’s alleged support for the Afghan Taliban leadership taking refuge in Balochistan: ‘The issue of the Taliban leadership council, or shura, in Quetta is now at the top of the Obama administration’s agenda in its meetings with Pakistani officials.’

In addition to the long-standing American and Afghan complaint that Pakistan-based Afghan militants are creating trouble in the south of Afghanistan, the article also quotes unnamed officials linking the worsening security situation in parts of northern and western Afghanistan to the so-called Quetta shura. Is the American perception correct?

The matter is not as straightforward as American and Afghan officials appear to believe. First, it is true that Quetta and the areas around it and parts of the Pak-Afghan border in Balochistan have become safe havens for some among the Afghan Taliban.

But is there such an entity as the Quetta shura and is it playing a central role in the insurgency inside Afghanistan? On the existence of the Quetta shura, the Times story quotes a western official as saying: ‘It’s much more of an amorphous group that as best we can tell moves around. They go to Karachi, they go to Quetta, they go across the border.’ So there are clearly uncertainties about the nature of the Quetta shura.

Second, the insurgency in Afghanistan draws its strength primarily from inside Afghanistan. The McChrystal report has noted: ‘While the existence of safe havens in Pakistan does not guarantee ISAF failure, Afghanistan does require Pakistani cooperation …. Nonetheless, the insurgency in Afghanistan is predominantly Afghan.’ So does that mean Pakistan doesn’t need to do more to clamp down on Afghan militants operating from Balochistan? No. But there is a problem with the ‘do more’ demand, one that is purely pragmatic. The Pak-Afghan border in Balochistan is remarkably porous, with an estimated 50,000-60,000 people crossing it every day. Stopping that flow is beyond the capabilities of the security forces on either side of the border at the moment.

Also, with a low-level local insurgency continuing in Balochistan and the state’s resources stretched thin by operations against militants elsewhere, there is reason to be cautious in opening another front at the moment. American and Afghan officials, therefore, need to understand the very real constraints that the Pakistan security forces are operating under. Equally, however, the Pakistani state must not be complacent. After all, there is no guarantee that in the long term the Afghan militants taking refuge inside Pakistan will not turn their guns on Pakistan.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

 

[Righteous_Fire]

Re examine the article and it shall be found most shallow by all of you.
It is without clear references to who has clearly threatened whom and in what manner...

I suggest, all of you visit NYT, WP and The NewYorker kind of sites.

Usually, when they wanna cook their goose, they salivate over it before actually putting it into the pot.

These are the days of "The Salivation"

There is enough credible indication out there suggesting, we, (Pakistan) are soon gonna expect "Guests" (unwelcomed ones at that) What exactly that would mean in the end is anybody's guess!

There is one thing we here can do, "Raise our voice, raise concern"

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Regimes can be removed if required.

But here another point US also wants this regime change...

Americans see a change in the air in Pakistan

Thursday, September 24, 2009
By By Dr Shahid Masood
WASHINGTON: Americans see a change fast, but smoothly, coming in Pakistan in the wake of loss of credibility of the man at the helm, following some domestic legal developments.

After meeting top political and defence decision-makers here in the US capital, where I was invited by the National Defence University (NDU) for a two-day seminar on the anniversary of 9/11, I was told in unambiguous terms that a change in Pakistan was inevitable for US policy interests, although Washington does not intend to disrupt the system.

Several important Pakistani political players have also been conveyed the same message by the US political and defence establishment, including the MQM and recently the ANP, whose chief is travelling with President Asif Zardari in New York.

The main problem being faced by the US administration, which it may never admit publicly, is that the present set-up with Asif Ali Zardari as the de facto ruler, has no credibility at home and no ability to deliver on the promises he makes, either on the military side or on the war on terror or on governance issues.

“Zardari has also abandoned the idea of political consensus which he had started to follow in the early days after the February elections,” one official said on background. “He appears to be non-serious in government and lives in perpetual fear and insecurity, preferring to stay out of the country.”

The US side thinks that they had made a sensible move by pushing an alliance between late Benazir Bhutto and General Pervez Musharraf as this team would have provided all the ingredients of a stable and cooperative Pakistan to Washington. She would have provided the political support while Musharraf would have used his military muscle against the terrorists and extremists in a stable environment.

They say Zardari has failed to provide that environment, rather he has involved himself in day-to-day business and administrative matters while his political coalition and parliament have been left looking like dumb and dummies.

Many officials say Zardari has been asking the US administration to bail him out on too many issues and too many occasions. He has sought the US help to tame the Army, keep his alliance partners, especially the opposition of Nawaz Sharif’s PML-N in check, directly or through the Saudis on sensitive issues like Musharraf’s or cutting his own constitutional powers.

All these demands are way beyond the capacity of any US administration to deliver while Zardari has almost left everything to us to handle, an agitated official said. “If we have to handle everything, his own credibility within the country will sink and has sunk to the lowest low.”

Other officials I met were even blunter. They say the US abhors corruption, kickbacks and commissions anywhere in the world as a matter of policy.

Another official said the US would keep track of the parties or persons involved and money transaction in the Pakistan’s rental power venture. There are still no roadmaps or any modality work sheets in Washington on how a change in Pakistan would occur, but the US capital is keeping its fingers crossed as to what comes out of the NRO case pending with the Supreme Court.

The impression gathered from the words of these top Americans is that the US would not intervene if the apex court starts hearing the case. The view is that if the NRO was discussed and details of who benefited, who made what deals and how serious crimes were committed and then whitewashed, start to be revealed in the SC, the moral authority of the NRO beneficiaries would erode fatally. In this scenario, the NRO beneficiaries may themselves throw in the towel seeking a safe exit.

In several informed US and Pakistani circles I moved in for several days in Washington, the same scenario was repeated, often exactly in the same tone and sequence.

A Pakistani, who knows a lot about developments in Pakistan and the US scene, said that apart from this purely legal and domestic scene, there were four possible ways through which Zardari could exit. These ways were repeated by others who had nothing to do at all with the previous source. They are: one, impeachment; two, voluntary resignation in the wake loss of credibility; three, ‘natural’ or man-made elimination of the president, and, four, an Army coup. The impeachment and coup scenarios are considered non-starter and impossibility.

US and some Pakistani circles said that a resignation after enough dirt is thrown in the public domain when the NRO case details begin to unfold is a favourite way out, as it would not, being an outcome of the legal process, disrupt the system.

I was asked many times whether a coup is a possibility in the current situation and I always said no, but the question kept surfacing again and again.

This is probably because there was some loose talk of a shuffle in the military hierarchy by President Zardari in which Army chief General Kayani was to be replaced by some other pliant general who could ensure continuity and stability for the Zardari regime.

This scenario was shot down in Washington instantly as an impossibility, since it had information that the Pakistan Army considered a coup or intervention as a total no-go area and could have brought back another October 12, 1999 type of situation. It is so also because of the fact that Gen Kayani has established, through words and deeds, that he is all for democracy.

With all these scenarios being discussed, the growing feeling is that not much time is left for the current status quo and it will lead to a period of political turmoil in Pakistan if President Zardari continues with his ways any longer.

The sudden emergence of a top MQM delegation in Washington for talks with the policy makers, officials and think tanks of Washington has also raised many questions as the official Pakistani diplomatic channels were totally cut off and I gather that this was done at the insistence of the US side more than the MQM leadership.

Not even a courtesy meeting between Governor Ishratul Ebad and Ambassador Husain Haqqani was held until four days after the arrival of the MQM delegation and meetings with top strategists, including Bruce Riedel, John Negroponte, Richard Boucher, and current State Department officials, including Richard Holbrooke.

A similar exercise has now been planned with the ANP chief while he will be here in the presidential entourage.

What happened in these meetings is known only to the MQM leaders and the US side but the tone and tenor of MQM in the coming weeks and days will give the first hints of whether the course of the PPP-MQM alliance is changing in stormy waters in the middle of the sea. How the ANP reacts is also to be seen but already Asfandyar Wali is said to be very happy with the praise for his party’s governance in the NWFP by US officials as well as the promises to give them direct financial aid. With the MQM and the ANP almost on board, I will be eagerly waiting for the first signs of the new US strategy unfolding in the days and weeks to come.

Americans see a change in the air in Pakistan

 

[H2O3C4Nitrogen]

I think it would be better to play along the Iranian Factor since the issue is very hot these days .
Entagled along South Korea, Venezuela , Somalia , Sudan , Afghanistan , Iraq & Iran the mistake of launching such a strike may cost US their frontline ally in the so called WOT .
Huge Risk factor , Plus the economy is slowly recovering from a recession which nearly brought them to their knees . America now has a debt of 3 trillion $s a figure confirmed by a charted accountancy firm in Barmoda Islands.

 

[Righteous_Fire]

I think it would be better to play along the Iranian Factor

Officially, a strategy like that would prove disastrous for us in the end. Still, since Iran is next door brotherly neighbor, we should always have good bilateral economic, diplomatic and socio cultural ties exclusive of any point of view in the west.

Entagled along South Korea, Venezuela , Somalia , Sudan , Afghanistan , Iraq & Iran the mistake of launching such a strike

They at the moment need a strategy to turn the tide of their current entanglement in Afghanistan, this is so crucial that, expanding their campaign into Pakistan is not only easy for them, it would be desirable.

the mistake of launching such a strike may cost US their frontline ally in the so called WOT .

No it will not, the Govt., whatever, whichever is present at such a time, whether civil or otherwise will always be in their camp, though, you can say that the people of Pakistan, who at the moment in the opinion polls stand somewhere in the 70 %tiles would all become strongly against them.

In any event, that alone would be detrimental to them, no matter what the Govt. at that time says or does.


One last thing, their presence here, in any capacity, will make the people of Pakistan strongly against them, and that would prove horribly disastrous for them.

They dont wanna do that, they souldnt!!

 

[abbasniazi]

I don't think Americans are fools enough to strike in a provicial capital of a nuclear power, they know it would change pakistan's stance on war on terror once for all.

In my opinion its out of question...

 

[Spring Onion]

I don't think Americans are fools enough to strike in a provicial capital of a nuclear power, they know it would change pakistan's stance on war on terror once for all.

In my opinion its out of question...

That will realy change Pakistan's stance within military and common people but we cant say about current government.

But still if US wants it can attack.