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US threatens 'overwhelming' response if South Korea attacked

If China stakes a claim at being a superpower itself (as it does, militarily), it should show that it can stop a undeveloped neignbouring country.

In 1961, the two countries signed the Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty, whereby China pledged to immediately render military and other assistance by all means to its ally against any outside attack. This treaty was prolonged twice, in 1981 and 2001, with a validity until 2021.

China could start by not prolonging that treaty, or threaterning to. Remember, what the North Koreans can lob at the US, they can also lob at China, and they are unruly and unpredictable enough.

That is, if China actually IS something, internationally speaking.

Um, no. China is not a superpower, we are only a developing country. :lol:

It's the superpower USA who is crying day and night that they are being bullied by undeveloped countries like North Korea.

They are so desperate that they are asking a developing country like China to do their job for them.

They might as well "let" North Korea have nukes just like they "let" Iran keep their nuclear program. It looks magnanimous, allowing them to do it when they couldn't stop it to begin with.

International sanctions could work if China joins,You choose not to.

Even you never believed that US sanctions would stop Russia from taking Crimea from the Ukraine. Or convince them to give it back. :lol:

Except this time the USA is not crying about a major power like Russia, they are crying about an undeveloped country like North Korea.

The USA has been declining in relative power every single year since 1991. The trend continues every year.

So you can just say the USA "let" Russia seize Crimea from the Ukraine, they "let" North Korea have thermonukes, they "let" China seize the Scarborough shoal from the Philippines (abandoning their mutual defence treaty), and they "let" Iran keep their nuclear program.
 
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If Trump wins I think there should be competition to see who build the next Great Wall. I'm betting China would win.
They are so desperate that they are asking a developing country like China to do their job for them.
It's how gangster run there business, we always ask someone else to do the dirty work. :agree:

That or we just like pushing China's buttons. :D
 
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And does anyone else see the irony of the "superpower" USA begging a developing country (China) to "reign in" an undeveloped country (North Korea)?

That's like an Adult/superpower begging a kid/developing country to stop the baby/undeveloped country from bullying him.

I mean, have some self-respect. You are a superpower, stop begging developing countries to do your job for you.
No one sees such an irony because there is no 'irony' to see.

You can say China does not control NKR, but no one believes that. China does control NKR.

We are not 'begging' you. We are asking you to reign in your mutt because if we have to take care of your mutt, it will not be good for the mutt and you.

So China should have some self respect for being a rising power and accept responsibility for her own creation.
 
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We are not 'begging' you. We are asking you to reign in your mutt because if we have to take care of your mutt, it will not be good for the mutt and you.

We said no. :P

So go and take care of them yourselves. Just make sure you have enough nuclear bunkers.

Don't worry, China isn't going to directly intervene (like in the last Korean War). So the world policeman can finally start doing his job. There are no excuses left.
 
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Don't worry, China isn't going to directly intervene...
I do not need to be 'in-the-know' of inter-states politics to know what you said is absurd. Laughably absurd. And then contradictory in light of you PDF Chinese past responses when many of you insisted that China will always keep NKR as a buffer state.

So which is it ? To keep NKR as a buffer state means you must have the power to keep NKR in check.

You wan to mock US ? Fine, we have no problems with that. We have endured worse and laughed them off. But do not presume to speak for China when what you say China will or will not does not conform to China's public actions.

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Militarily speaking, your PLA is just a tad bigger than the North Korean military. Without nuclear weapons, the PLA is indeed that paper tiger.
 
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I do not need to be 'in-the-know' of inter-states politics to know what you said is absurd. Laughably absurd. And then contradictory in light of you PDF Chinese past responses when many of you insisted that China will always keep NKR as a buffer state.

So which is it ? To keep NKR as a buffer state means you must have the power to keep NKR in check.

You wan to mock US ? Fine, we have no problems with that. We have endured worse and laughed them off. But do not presume to speak for China when what you say China will or will not does not conform to China's public actions.

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Militarily speaking, your PLA is just a tad bigger than the North Korean military. Without nuclear weapons, the PLA is indeed that paper tiger.

North Korea is still testing nukes and ICBMs, Russia still has Crimea, China still has Scarborough shoal. Oh and Iran still has their nuclear program.

Just waiting for the day when the world policeman finally starts doing his job.
 
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North Korea is still testing nukes and ICBMs,...
Testing, and if their current progress is any indication, we can easily take out NKR's nuclear weapons program.

Any conflict in the Korean peninsula will not be in China's favor because the NKR-ean military will be defeated. You PDF Chinese can pettily cheer for the destruction on Seoul and Japan if you like, but all it does is demonstrate to the readers at the maturity level of you when talking about global affairs. We do not need to invade NKR. All we have to do is decimate its military and let natural chaos do the rest. China will either step in and take control of the country or let the Korean peninsula unite under Seoul. If China take over NKR, that will be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooong term burden that will be an economic drain for China that the shortsighted PDF Chinese cannot imagine. You joke about US taxpayers supporting Israel ? NKR will be a hundred times worse for you PDF Chinese who will be paying to support a genuinely failed state with nothing for return.

In the end, your China WILL make sure that NKR obeys its master. :lol:

Russia still has Crimea,...
And Russia will go the way of the Soviet Union. You think that Russia cannot collapse ? People used to think the Soviet Union could never collapse. I lived thru that era and I will live to see the day when what Russia acquired thru force will slip thru.

China still has Scarborough shoal.
You can have it. A lot of good that will do for you. We will ensure your PLAN can do nothing but make a lot of noise in the SCS.

Oh and Iran still has their nuclear program.
The Iranians know that will get them nowhere.

Just waiting for the day when the world policeman finally starts doing his job.
We are. Too bad you PDF Chinese ain't smart enough to see it.
 
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I highly doubt it, since WW2 US only intervened when adversary was too weak to do anything, so if Combodia attacks SK then US will intervene with full force.
 
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I highly doubt it, since WW2 US only intervened when adversary was too weak to do anything, so if Combodia attacks SK then US will intervene with full force.
Then why not China invade SKR since the US would be too afraid because China is larger than Cambodia ? What an idiotic argument. :rolleyes:
 
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You PDF Chinese can pettily cheer for the destruction on Seoul and Japan if you like, but all it does is demonstrate to the readers at the maturity level of you when talking about global affairs. We do not need to invade NKR.

Firstly, I don't want to see any country get nuked. Again. Even a limited nuclear war would cause catastrophic damage to the global economy.

Secondly, North Korea wants to wipe AMERICA off the map, not South Korea or Japan. They are not developing ICBM's to reach South Korea, obviously. Their primary target is America.
 
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Um, no. China is not a superpower, we are only a developing country. :lol:

It's the superpower USA who is crying day and night that they are being bullied by undeveloped countries like North Korea.

They are so desperate that they are asking a developing country like China to do their job for them.

They might as well "let" North Korea have nukes just like they "let" Iran keep their nuclear program. It looks magnanimous, allowing them to do it when they couldn't stop it to begin with.
Well, the fact that you sit here an feel a need to post like this really says enough.

Still, I'm glad to see you acknowledge China isn't a superpower. It certainly isn't in terms of behaviour and carrying its weight in the international arena. And yet it is so busy attempting to show the size of its p...s in SCS vis-a-vis its tiny neighbours.

Have a nice day, sweetheart.

North Korea is still testing nukes and ICBMs, Russia still has Crimea, China still has Scarborough shoal. Oh and Iran still has their nuclear program.

Just waiting for the day when the world policeman finally starts doing his job.
Uhm, they said NO. See ya.

I highly doubt it, since WW2 US only intervened when adversary was too weak to do anything, so if Combodia attacks SK then US will intervene with full force.
Duh.... would you intervene in a situation where you didn't have the upper hand, or could quickly gain the upper hand? No, you wouldn't. And I also do think you underestimate the military situations the US military has entered into in the past.

Firstly, I don't want to see any country get nuked. Again. Even a limited nuclear war would cause catastrophic damage to the global economy.

Secondly, North Korea wants to wipe AMERICA off the map, not South Korea or Japan. They are not developing ICBM's to reach South Korea, obviously. Their primary target is America.
More than 21 ballistic missiles have been launched by North Korea this year alone, with several of them reaching waters within Japan's exclusive economic zone -- 200 nautical miles from its coast. It is purely a matter of good fortune that no commercial aircraft or ships suffered any damage.

On September 5th, in the middle of the 2016 G20 Hangzhou summit, North Korea carried out a simultaneous test of three never before seen Scud-ER missiles which landed about 200 km west of Japan. The new missile is similar in size to the Scuds usually employed by the regime but can travel almost twice as far. The test drew a sharp rebuke from members of the summit and from China who stated that the test damaged the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula.

China is North Korea's only real ally. It has long publicly lobbied against Pyongyang's nuclear program. Even China, a traditional ally of the regime, endorsed a UN resolution to apply further sanctions against North Korea. Despite this, tests have proceeded. As late as last september. China, North Korea's only major ally, joined in condemning the test and urged the regime to refrain from provocative actions.

This means either China approves secretly or is actually impotent. Some analysts have warned Beijing is too concerned about the potential collapse of the North Korean regime, and the instability that would bring, to take concrete action. China needs to understand that in the long run it is going to be less secure if North Korea pursues its nuclear program.
 
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What a joke!

If you guys remember enough, US was on the verge of attacking North Korea or Iraq around the same time, but it chose to go for the one that was toothless. It attacked Iraq. It cannot and will not threaten an attack or even get involved fully in a conflict involving someone with sabre teeth.1000+ coffins in a day and the US population will be out whipping a&&es of white house inhabitants

I personally feel US will not go into any conflict with anyone 'overwhelmingly' unless its for survival.
 
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Then why not China invade SKR since the US would be too afraid because China is larger than Cambodia ? What an idiotic argument. :rolleyes:

China with her current position does not need to invade any country, they can put any country inline with economic pressure, but If China feels it needs to then they would without any fear of any action from US.
 
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China with her current position does not need to invade any country, they can put any country inline with economic pressure, but If China feels it needs to then they would without any fear of any action from US.
That is a good spin that distract from the reality that China cannot invade any country at all, not even across one hundred miles of water -- Taiwan. Whereas the US is the only military power so far that can transport our army EXTRA-HEMISPHERICALLY. Just in case that word is too big for you, it means to the other side of the world.

If you are going to suck up to the PDF Chinese, stick to giving them thanks. You ain't much for anything else. :lol:
 
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