US Survey reveals differences in religious beliefs of Indian Muslims vs. Pakistani & Bangladeshi Muslims

[Maula Jatt]

Hinduism does not have eternal heaven (as is the case with Abrahamic faiths). But in general, they have the notion of better afterlife by merging with a universal consciousness. One can attain this privilege only if you live a pious life. It is not like most Hindus believe that once you are dead, you are dead forever.

Sounds like Avatar Airbender s*** with universal consciousness etc but I respect that

Interesting philosophy

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

that was back then. Hundreds of years ago. Educated muslims and people in general can easily access information about the correct way.

anyway, may Allah forgive our sins and their sins

Educated people may have incorrect beliefs. It is okay under Fitrah. Human nature has not changed and will be the same till Judgement Day. Quran 30-30.

 

[MuhammedAli]

Indian Muslims are Muslims. They do all kinds of shirq

Are Khariji?

Came to see takfir and wasn’t disappointed

Kharijis will never disappoint you. Typical Khariji truly following Shaykh ul-Islam Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, Al-Najdi, at-Tamimi will say to a none Khariji: You're mashrek, no good mozlum felth, killing you is halal for me, your women and property ill be my war spoils.

 

[HRK]

کیا اسکا مطلب یہ ھےکہ جو کوئی نمک کی کان میں جائے گا نمکین ھو کہ واپس آئے گا ؟​

NO

Literal translation would be something like this: Anything that fall in Salt mine after sometime itself become salt.

but generally this Persian Proverb is use to explain situation in which due to the weakness someone or something lose its nature or characteristic due to environment or company one keeps.

 

[Maula Jatt]

@ Sainthood 101 can't see my post or are you now having trouble with Urdu?

Yeah basically, at first I read yours as "dokaan" as in shop so I ignored, didn't wanna point out if it was wrong

But after reading it again, you're correct you wrote salt mine

NO

Literal translation would be something like this: Anything that fall in Salt mine after sometime itself become salt.

but generally this Persian Proverb is use to explain situation in which due to the weakness someone or something lose its nature or characteristic due to environment or company one keeps.

But he was close enough tbh, like the general meaning you get from this quote is the same

But ofcourse literal translation is more eloquent and quote worthy

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

well the example i had in mind was based on the results of the poll i saw in this thread. Muslims not believing in Angels when they are mentioned in the Quran. So how can one be Muslim and at the same time say what is in the Quran is not true.

also, its risky the part i bolded. I saw this lady from the UAE a few months ago who prays her own way. Not the way the sunnah teaches us, and what was her reasoning ? "Islam and faith are between me and Allah and its personal and its how i understand and its what makes me feel good". for example , no Qiblah , sits in a chair , with scented candles , yoga positions and meditates.

this is unacceptable. The basics need to be kept as is.

also, i agree with you about staying far from sectarian and nationalists, and other groups of course. They usually tailor and change it in a way that benefits them and their goals. this usually end up giving Muslims and Islam a very bad reputation.

Innovation of religion and religious practices is haram and it is kufr..


This lady needs to either denounce Islam or follow it properly, atleast the main pillars..


Too many in-betweeners these days.


Salafi haters going blitz on here

 

[Maula Jatt]

Innovation of religion and religious practices is haram and it is kufr..


This lady needs to either denounce Islam or follow it properly, atleast the main pillars..


Too many in-betweeners these days

Actually opposite is happening, back in the day it was less uninformed

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Actually opposite is happening, back in the day it was less uninformed

Now even though people are better informed, they're choosing to innovate..


Not knowing and making stuff up is understandable.. but knowing you're wrong and trudging along anyway is inexcusable.





There is an interesting phenomenon in Muslims especially in the West, they'll drink, Bang hookers, skip prayers or quit outright but what they never do is eat pork products. Mind boggling. Pick and Choosing.



Most Bangladeshis Muslims follow Sufi norms btw.

 

[MuhammedAli]

Innovation of religion and religious practices is haram and it is kufr..
This lady needs to either denounce Islam or follow it properly, atleast the main pillars..
Too many in-betweeners these days.
Salafi haters going blitz on here

“Anas bin Malik narrates from the Prophet who said: Three things are the roots of faith: (i) To refrain from (killing) a person who says “there is no Deity worthy of worship except Allah” (ii) Not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits (iii) and also not to declare him out of Islam due to any of his deed. Jihad continues from the day I was sent as Prophet to ...” [Ref: Abu Dawud, B14, H2170]

It is way of Khawarij to nullify islam of peiple for sins and due to actions. Ahlus Sunnah does not nullify Islam of people because of innovations in axtion. We also do not nullify beliefe in Islam due to innovation until the innovation clearly goes against what Quran taught. And we do not nullify Islam if someone rejects a Sahih Hadtih only when they reject mutawatr hadith.

You nullified her Islam like Kharijis do and Salafis do. Due to sinfull actions. There is no difference bwtween you n kharijis. And prophet prohibited it yet u oppose prophet of Allah.

She is not guilty of Kufr. She is a mubtadi much like Kharijis. Her worrship is rejected. Prophet said anywho does an action or engages in a matter not from islam it is rejected. If she performs an act of worship which is not legislated her act of worship is rwjwcted but her islam as long as she recites Shahadah she is muslim but heretic.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

“Anas bin Malik narrates from the Prophet who said: Three things are the roots of faith: (i) To refrain from (killing) a person who says “there is no Deity worthy of worship except Allah” (ii) Not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits (iii) and also not to declare him out of Islam due to any of his deed. Jihad continues from the day I was sent as Prophet to ...” [Ref: Abu Dawud, B14, H2170]

It is way of Khawarij to nullify islam of peiple for sins and due to actions. Ahlus Sunnah does not nullify Islam of people because of innovations in axtion. We also do not nullify beliefe in Islam due to innovation until the innovation clearly goes against what Quran taught. And we do not nullify Islam if someone rejects a Sahih Hadtih only when they reject mutawatr hadith.

You nullified her Islam like Kharijis do and Salafis do. Due to sinfull actions. There is no difference bwtween you n kharijis. And prophet prohibited it yet u oppose prophet of Allah.

She is not guilty of Kufr. She is a mubtadi much like Kharijis. Her worrship is rejected. Prophet said anywho does an action or engages in a matter not from islam it is rejected. If she performs an act of worship which is not legislated her act of worship is rwjwcted but her islam as long as she recites Shahadah she is muslim but heretic.

Stop your drama. You don't pray the way God has ordained and the way the prophet has taught us then you're going against the very pillar of Islam; Salat.


Stop quoting stuff... And I didn't nullify her Islam, I placed a suggestion, didn't pass a judgement on her Islam.





THERE CAN BE NO INNOVATION IN RELIGION.

 

[MuhammedAli]

Stop your drama. You don't pray the way God has ordained and the way the prophet has taught us then you're going against the very pillar of Islam; Salat.
Stop quoting stuff... And I didn't nullify her Islam, I placed a suggestion, didn't pass a judgement on her Islam.
THERE CAN BE NO INNOVATION IN RELIGION.

You saidI: "innovation of religion and religious practices is haram and it is kufr.."

the lady who doesnt perform Salah as taught is guilty of innovation or not? Innovation ... And you said innovation is haram and Kufr. In other words she is guilty of kufr due to her haram innovation. Now you denying it. That means you,re repentent instead of transgressing.

Salah is pillar of Islam but how to perform it is not in Quran. If it was she would be guilty of Kufr. If she said there was no Salah and we dont need to worship Allah or Allah never asked to be worshipped she would be guilty of Kufr. But she believes Allah deserves to be worshooped and worships in her own way ... Thats she is sinful innovator and guilty biddah dhalalah i.e reprehensible innovation but she aint guilty of kufr because method of worship is in hadith and every hadith even Sahih has 1% chance of being wrong ... I know few Sahih Hadith which go against clear text of Quran. So there is chance Sahih Hadith is not Sahih even if classed Sahih and that 1 percent error margin is enoufh to withold Takfeer.

i mean there are four ways of performing Salah. Hanafi hanbali maliki shafi ... So muxh uncertaintity on method of Salah but some how you wana make takfir. Four ways of Salah ... But no Takfir ... She makes another n there was Takfir. Lol. Prejudice against woman is heavey i guess. Dont make takfir ... Yes her way is an innovation and has no basis or support of quran Sunnah but no reason for Takfir. She is misguided.

You also said: "THERE CAN BE NO INNOVATION IN RELIGION."

Who said this? Prophet said the opposite to what you said:

"Jarir b. Abdullah ... her persons followed them in succession until signs of happiness could be seen on his (sacred) face. Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who introduced some good practice in Islam which was followed after him (by people) he would be assured of reward like one who followed it, without their rewards being diminished in any respect. And he who introduced some evil practice in Islam which had been followed subsequently (by others), he would be required to bear the burden like that of one who followed this (evil practice) without theirs being diminished in any respect." Sahih Muslim, Book 034, Number 6466:

Note prophet said whoever introduces a pracrice in islam ... I introduce a practice in Islam would that be an innovation in Islam? Yes. So if someone gets reward for introducing a practice in islam he gets rward for introducing innovation it in Islam.

I do this as my second unpaid job. Lol

Give up on your Kharijism aka Salafism its better for you. I gave it up 16/17 years ago.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

You saidI: "innovation of religion and religious practices is haram and it is kufr.."

the lady who doesnt perform Salah as taught is guilty of innovation or not? Innovation ... And you said innovation is haram and Kufr. In other words she is guilty of kufr due to her haram innovation. Now you denying it. That means you,re repentent instead of transgressing.

Salah is pillar of Islam but how to perform it is not in Quran. If it was she would be guilty of Kufr. If she said there was no Salah and we dont need to worship Allah or Allah never asked to be worshipped she would be guilty of Kufr. But she believes Allah deserves to be worshooped and worships in her own way ... Thats she is sinful innovator and guilty biddah dhalalah i.e reprehensible innovation but she aint guilty of kufr because method of worship is in hadith and every hadith even Sahih has 1% chance of being wrong ... I know few Sahih Hadith which go against clear text of Quran. So there is chance Sahih Hadith is not Sahih even if classed Sahih and that 1 percent error margin is enoufh to withold Takfeer.

i mean there are four ways of performing Salah. Hanafi hanbali maliki shafi ... So muxh uncertaintity on method of Salah but some how you wana make takfir. Four ways of Salah ... But no Takfir ... She makes another n there was Takfir. Lol. Prejudice against woman is heavey i guess. Dont make takfir ... Yes her way is an innovation and has no basis or support of quran Sunnah but no reason for Takfir. She is misguided.

Give up on your Kharijism aka Salafism its better for you. I gave it up 16/17 years ago.

Stop this scaremongering and smear campaign against salafis.. you guys point the westerns onto salafis and go 'look these are the bad ones your want to kill, spare us, we are the good ones'..


Is that the case here ? Singling a group out to save own skin and face ?


I'll take a salafi over innovative yoga enthusiast, Sufi dervesh or some grave worshipper.



Stop adding negative connotation to the words salafi and wahabi.. the latter has been dragged through the mud for so long, it's synonymous with terrorism.



Your letting your hatred for salafis cloud your judgement.. and what good is prayer to God when she does it in her own ways ? Is this not a mockery of god ? Do you think she is doing him a favour by praying ? Or by invoking his name ?


God is not beholden to humans.. We are beholden unto him.

 

[Maula Jatt]

Stop this scaremongering and smear campaign against salafis.. you guys point the westerns onto salafis and go 'look these are the bad ones your want to kill, spare us, we are the good ones'..


Is that the case here ? Singling a group out to save own skin and face ?


I'll take a salafi over innovative yoga enthusiast, Sufi dervesh or some grave worshipper.



Stop adding negative connotation to the words salafi and wahabi.. the latter has been dragged through the mud for so long, it's synonymous with terrorism

Someone hasn't met a true salafi

You wouldn't say that if you did, FYI they're genuinely crazy

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Someone hasn't met a true salafi

You wouldn't say that if you did, FYI they're genuinely crazy

What do you mean I haven't met one.. I live with them..


This is the gulf, they're all salafis.

 

[MuhammedAli]

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