US Stealth UAV RQ-170 downed in IRAN

[longbrained]

He-said she-said. Fact is, it is down and in their custody so Iran can claim a 'kill'.

Its also becoming a trend for the US to blame anything negative on "Oops our officer made a booboo, we killed 24 people, oops we crashed plane".

Yeah, now Americans are trying to save their faces, it is too embarrassing for them. They can not take it like a man.

 

[JonAsad]

Iran has every right to hide the pix or vid of the downed drone as amrika had to hide the pix and vid of OBL-
But-

Pix or it didn't happen- -

 

[longbrained]

Iran has every right to hide the pix or vid of the downed drone as amrika had to hide the pix and vid of OBL-
But-

Pix or it didn't happen- -

Yeah, that is right. But NATO has already said it happened and they indeed have lost a drone.

 

[JonAsad]

Yeah, that is right. But NATO has already said it happened and they indeed have lost a drone.

Well- OBL is dead aswell -

 

[Obambam]

Iran has every right to hide the pix or vid of the downed drone as amrika had to hide the pix and vid of OBL-
But-

Pix or it didn't happen- -

Exactly right

Under Islamic rule, the body or object in question has to be respected and dumped into the ocean within 24 hours of being killed um... I mean death.
Instead of giving it a proper resting place and creating a possible shrine for the drone supporters, only a handful of people knew where it was dumped. They have also sworn to the Kuran and promised never to leak out any information.

 

[faithfulguy]

The fact that US intelligence can pin point the presence of Bin Laden, send in some heli and extract him is a bigger achievement than Iran shot down a UAV. But if Iran indeed shot it down by any mean, its by no mean an achievement in itself. Especially a stealth one.

 

[beijing consensus]

Logic gives another credibility of the drone hacking instead of shooting down: UAV fly high altitude (RQ170 - 50.000 ft), they obviously dont cruise near the ground on a hostile territory and keep as high as possible, so even if Iran would have shot down with a non-missile AA weapon, there would be nothing left of the drone from such altitude.

Hacking makes sense, and as strange as it sounds, Iranians actually revolutionized electronic warfare (at least in this area), who could have thought? Against the masters of such warfare - US, no less

america is shell shocked!!

Iran says it downed U.S. stealth drone; Pentagon acknowledges aircraft downing - The Washington Post

By Greg Jaffe and Thomas Erdbrink, Monday, December 5, 1:53 AM

A secret U.S. surveillance drone that went missing last week in western Afghanistan appears to have crashed in Iran, in what may be the first case of such an aircraft ending up in the hands of an adversary.

Iran’s news agencies asserted that the nation’s defense forces brought down the drone, which the Iranian reports said was an RQ-170 stealth aircraft. It is designed to penetrate enemy air defenses that could see and possibly shoot down less-sophisticated Predator and Reaper drones.


A stealthy RQ-170 drone played a critical role in surveilling the compound in Pakistan where Osama bin Laden was hiding in the months before the raid in which he was killed by U.S. Navy SEALs in May.

U.S. officials acknowledged Sunday that a drone had been lost near the Iranian border, but they declined to say what kind of aircraft was missing.

The Iranian government has not released any pictures of the recovered aircraft, which they said was downed by defense forces after it flew across the border and into the country’s airspace. An unnamed Iranian defense official said in one report that a cyber*attack caused the drone to crash.

U.S. officials cast doubt on this and other Iranian assertions. “We have no indication that it was brought down by hostile fire,” said a senior Pentagon official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive surveillance activity.

If an RQ-170 drone crashed in Iran, it would mark a significant setback for the U.S. military. The United States has lost less-sophisticated unmanned aircraft in recent years over Iran, but a nearly intact RQ-170 could offer a potential windfall of useful intelligence for the Iranians and their allies.

The aircraft has special coatings and a batwing-like shape that is designed to evade detection by enemy radar. The aircraft could help the Iranians better understand the vulnerabilities of U.S. stealth technology and provide them with clues on how to spot other aircraft, U.S. officials said.

Similar stealth technology is used in U.S. B-2 bombers and is a major feature of the military’s F-35 fighter jet, which is one of the largest and most expensive weapons programs in Pentagon history.

The first reports of the drone crash came from Iran’s semiofficial Fars News Agency. “Iran’s army has downed an intruding RQ-170 American drone in eastern Iran,” the Arabic-language al-Alam state television network quoted an unnamed source as saying. “The spy drone, which has been downed with little damage, was seized by the armed forces.”

Hours after the incident, Iranian state TV news was showing only stock pictures of RQ-170 stealth drones, not images from the crash. An unnamed military official told the Fars News Agency that Iran’s response “will not be limited to the country’s borders.”

The U.S. military released a short statement later Sunday on the missing drone. “The [unmanned aerial vehicle] to which the Iranians are referring may be a U.S. unarmed reconnaissance aircraft that had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week,” it said. “The operators of the UAV lost control of the aircraft and had been working to determine its status.”

does anyone know if china helps iran in electonic and cyber warefare?

if iran can detect and take down stealth planes, such as this uav and b-2 and f-35, then this is a MASSIVE blow to america's air superiority

if this is purely iranian technology then i hope china can learn from iran.

 

[Obambam]

The fact that US intelligence can pin point the presence of Bin Laden, send in some heli and extract him is a bigger achievement than Iran shot down a UAV. But if Iran indeed shot it down by any mean, its by no mean an achievement in itself. Especially a stealth one.

That's like comparing an apple to an orange. It took America many years, sweat, blood and money to come to that conclusion.
Iran on the other hand was and still is heavily sanctioned. For them to down an American drone is a great achievement indeed.

 

[Oldman1]

First they claim they shot it down with a missile now they claiming it was electronic warfare. Why are we getting different views from Iran? They don't even know how they got it down? Unless it crashed into Afghanistan and the Iranians cross over and took it as the military has claimed it crashed last week in western Afghanistan.

 

[faithfulguy]

First they claim they shot it down with a missile now they claiming it was electronic warfare. Why are we getting different views from Iran? They don't even know how they got it down? Unless it crashed into Afghanistan and the Iranians cross over and took it as the military has claimed it crashed last week in western Afghanistan.

If it came down in Afgh, he navy seals or af will retrieve it or destroy it. it would never fell into Iranian hands. Odds are that its is deep inside Iran.

 

[Hussein]

If it came down in Afgh, he navy seals or af will retrieve it or destroy it. it would never fell into Iranian hands. Odds are that its is deep inside Iran.

Indeed they say they lost the localisation of the drone, right?

Anyway both versions are strange:
1/ USA loosing it loosing control loosing localisation and after so many days... it is in hands of Iranians
2/ Iran taking it without damage

There is still an information missing somewhere?

beiijing consensus > yes you provide this to Iran.

 

[Oldman1]

If it came down in Afgh, he navy seals or af will retrieve it or destroy it. it would never fell into Iranian hands. Odds are that its is deep inside Iran.

They are not that fast. Depends on several factors. Distance, time, terrain, weather, availability of personnel, etc.

 

[bubble123]

hmm wiki says it was a stealth drone but it also says that low tech stealth was used not high tech. Stealth or not but if it does contain AESA radar it is going to give a major boost to Iranian engineering.

I wonder what all this means for the buzzword stealth ?

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They are not that fast. Depends on several factors. Distance, time, terrain, weather, availability of personnel, etc.

retrieval is always not an option u guyz bombed the heck out of Chinese embassy just to destroy that wreckage.

 

[Areesh]

Well whatever but pics or it didn't happen.

I want pics(proofs) to bash Pakistani military.

 

[Oldman1]

hmm wiki says it was a stealth drone but it also says that low tech stealth was used not high tech. Stealth or not but if it does contain AESA radar it is going to give a major boost to Iranian engineering.

I wonder what all this means for the buzzword stealth ?

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retrieval is always not an option u guyz bombed the heck out of Chinese embassy just to destroy that wreckage.

Yeah and it worked right?