US spying upon BJP!!

[OCguy]

I think everyone understands that this is happening. NSA has means to do it across the globe (which no other org has) so they are doing it.

The discussion here is more in context of Indian political parties and the need to spy specifically on BJP. It was a center to right pro US (compared to other Political Parties in India) party few years back. Now they have to spy on it means things are not that cozy. Also the fact that it is listed along with many arguably anti US organizations for spying is another interesting point.

Not necessarily. The US is spied on by its allies almost as intensely as its traditional foes. And the same is done to America's allies as well.

Spying isn't synonymous with attempting to hurt someone. Information is power, and knowing what your friend is saying about you when they don't think you are listening is an extremely advantageous ability.

For instance, Israel spies on Washington DC obsessively. They have a national need and want to know what the US is thinking, planning, etc. It isn't necessarily so that they can harm Americans, it is so they can try to find out the real intentions of their only support system internationally.

I am in know way justifying any of this, just explaining why the thought process that only an enemy would want to listen to your candid conversations is faulty.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Why would anyone assume that signals communication is not being recorded and analyzed by a whole myriad of international intelligence agencies at this point?

If Al Queda can figure it out, certainly everyone else can too.

This new data center in the rural US is not for reading emails between teenage couples. Its a good read from a credible source if anyone is interested:



The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say) | Threat Level | WIRED

According to the news reports, a "special permission was sought and obtained for spying on BJP along with 4-5 extremist entities from other countries like AQ and MB of Egypt". This is not particularly flattering for a national/ruling party of a democratic country to be bracketed with extremist organizations!!!

If you are equating extremist organizations with BJP, a mainstream political and principal opposition party and excluding ruling Congress party, I am sorry, this is simply mischievous! I can only concur with others here that US was simply helping Congress party by unfair means. Too bad, our protests don't matter.

How do you even explain why exactly were Britain, Australia, New Zealand were excluded from surveillance?

Being truly democratic, multi-lingual, multi-ethnic, multi-religious and truly secular countries, India and US ought be firmly together on so many of the pressing issues of the world right now. Alas, US doesn't think so!!!

This exercise was so mischievous, foolhardy, avoidable and unnecessary, I wish and hope it doesn't backfire on US (a la Dilma Roussef's cancellation of multi-billion US Fighter Jet deal).

 

[MST]

Not necessarily. The US is spied on by its allies almost as intensely as its traditional foes. And the same is done to America's allies as well.

Spying isn't synonymous with attempting to hurt someone. Information is power, and knowing what your friend is saying about you when they don't think you are listening is an extremely advantageous ability.

For instance, Israel spies on Washington DC obsessively. They have a national need and want to know what the US is thinking, planning, etc. It isn't necessarily so that they can harm Americans, it is so they can try to find out the real intentions of their only support system internationally.

I am in know way justifying any of this, just explaining why the thought process that only an enemy would want to listen to your candid conversations is faulty.

I am in agreement here and I am in no way saying that spying is only for enemy. Also you don't have to feel 'apologetic' about this. Everyone does it or should do it. Off course some have more resources then others but the intent is always there.

I think if a country is not spying on others then its rulers are just dumb.

 

[JanjaWeed]

old news USA always keeps a very close eye on "potential threats" for its "strategick , economick & political interets" US dint give NaMo Visa cause they always saw NaMo as a threat to US "interests" & "assets" in south asia

& they still failed despite their spying, lying & devious 'get Modi' plan..

 

[FaujHistorian]

I am in agreement here and I am in no way saying that spying is only for enemy. Also you don't have to feel 'apologetic' about this. Everyone does it or should do it. Off course some have more resources then others but the intent is always there.

I think if a country is not spying on others then its rulers are just dumb.

well said.

So the correct response should be from NaMO that he too is/was spying on US parties and personnel.
that is "without being apologetic".

That will serve everyone right. correct?

& they still failed despite their spying, lying & devious 'get Modi' plan..

Not sure if there was a getModi plan. Unless you have some insider info.

 

[OCguy]

According to the news reports, a "special permission was sought and obtained for spying on BJP along with 4-5 extremist entities from other countries like AQ and MB of Egypt". This is not particularly flattering for a national/ruling party of a democratic country to be bracketed with extremist organizations!!!

If you are equating extremist organizations with BJP, a mainstream political and principal opposition party and excluding ruling Congress party, I am sorry, this is simply mischievous! I can only concur with others here that US was simply helping Congress party by unfair means. Too bad, our protests don't matter.

How do you even explain why exactly were Britain, Australia, New Zealand were excluded from surveillance?

Being truly democratic, multi-lingual, multi-ethnic, multi-religious and truly secular countries, India and US ought be firmly together on so many of the pressing issues of the world right now. Alas, US doesn't think so!!!

This exercise was so mischievous, foolhardy, avoidable and unnecessary, I wish and hope it doesn't backfire on US (a la Dilma Roussef's cancellation of multi-billion US Fighter Jet deal).

Nobody is excluded from surveillance. And "extremist" was the word used by the source of whatever blog post this thread is based off of.

At some point I have a feeling a legitimate link to a source will be required to start a thread. This was picked up by international press so I know the sources exist...

 

[NKVD]

Something fishy here maybe Arun Jaitley phone taping was connected with it.And root goes deeper and deeper

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Something fishy here maybe Arun Jaitley phone taping was connected with it.And root goes deeper and deeper

You may be right, especially because the timelines seem to match with this report!

 

[JanjaWeed]

Not sure if there was a getModi plan. Unless you have some insider info.

Well.. I'm just going by the media reports unfolded in the past month or so. Going by the chronology of events.. doesn't look too far off the mark either!

These links below only substantiates that claim..
Obama quietly reverses Hillary’s ‘get Modi’ policy
Secretary Clinton's 'Get Modi' Policy holds disastrous to US under Modi regime | Asian Tribune

 

[FaujHistorian]

Well.. I'm just going by the media reports unfolded in the past month or so. Going by the chronology of events.. doesn't look too far off the mark either!

These links below only substantiates that claim..
Obama quietly reverses Hillary’s ‘get Modi’ policy
Secretary Clinton's 'Get Modi' Policy holds disastrous to US under Modi regime | Asian Tribune

Oh my.

Never knew. NaMo gotta be extra careful.

 

[MST]

well said.

So the correct response should be from NaMO that he too is/was spying on US parties and personnel.
that is "without being apologetic".

That will serve everyone right. correct?



Not sure if there was a getModi plan. Unless you have some insider info.

I am not a moral judge of right and wrong. But it would be naive to think that countries don't spy on each. They are only limited by the resources they have. Its a cruel world. And everyone tries to do the best they can for themselves and their country.

But yes getting caught with your pants down is an embarrassment as in case of US. That will lead to a lot of fingers getting pointed in your direction.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

i dont know why these people are acting so surprised over this.....hell USA even spies on its own allies - like that woman Chancellor Angela Merkel who was talking on her cell phone while big Bro was listening in

 

[OCguy]

I am not a moral judge of right and wrong. But it would be naive to think that countries don't spy on each. They are only limited by the resources they have. Its a cruel world. And everyone tries to do the best they can for themselves and their country.

But yes getting caught with your pants down is an embarrassment as in case of US. That will lead to a lot of fingers getting pointed in your direction.

It was a very embarrassing few months for US diplomats, but everything that Snowden can still leak, the world's governments have been informed of by now. There is something to say about the strategy of getting ahead of bad news so that you can frame it in the way you desire, instead of waiting to react.

The only wild-card is that when the information does leak, it embarrasses or puts local politicians under pressure to pretend to be outraged and promise action. At least until the news-cycle shifts and there is something more serious on their plate.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

At a time when China indulges in industrial espionage against US military and industrial complex and continues to bleed US dry of its far more valuable intellectual properties and trade secrets even as we speak, you have got to believe that this kind of exercises not only takes the focus away from where it is truly needed but also has the potential to be counter-productive in making once-friendly entities turn hostile. That would be really unfortunate.

 

[MST]

Something fishy here maybe Arun Jaitley phone taping was connected with it.And root goes deeper and deeper

Don't think phone taping is NSA. Their servers are in India. If it indeed happened then its UPA.

Anything on the US server (emails/Skype/International calls) will be snooped by NSA.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

old news USA always keeps a very close eye on "potential threats" for its "strategick , economick & political interets" US dint give NaMo Visa cause they always saw NaMo as a threat to US "interests" & "assets" in south asia

it was the State Dept. that banned the Visa, because of what happened in Gujrat

how in God's name is "NaMo" a thread to US interests? In their eyes he's probably a peasant - albeit one they need to have contact with since the REAL threat to US interests is the PRC undoubtedly