US signs nuclear technology deal with Vietnam

[faithfulguy]

Correcto. If this deal does not invoive Viet Nam receiving enrichment technologies then I see absolutely ZERO point of Viet Nam doing business with the U.S. The protocol of Viet Nam's nuclear policy is self-sufficient in enrichment capabilities.

If Viet Nam receives the enrichment technologies then later enrich uranium that is not supplied by the U.S; then Viet Nam does not break the 123 agreement. If this deal does not involve any senstive technology transfers then I'm really puzzled on why two sides have spent a couple of years of negotiation considering Viet Nam can easily contract the Russian or Japanese to build the nuke plant on any time.

Vietnam need US permission to just create nuclear power plant as the potential for enriching uranium is possible.

 

[gambit]

Correcto. If this deal does not invoive Viet Nam receiving enrichment technologies then I see absolutely ZERO point of Viet Nam doing business with the U.S. The protocol of Viet Nam's nuclear policy is self-sufficient in enrichment capabilities.

If Viet Nam receives the enrichment technologies then later enrich uranium that is not supplied by the U.S; then Viet Nam does not break the 123 agreement. If this deal does not involve any senstive technology transfers then I'm really puzzled on why two sides have spent a couple of years of negotiation considering Viet Nam can easily contract the Russian or Japanese to build the nuke plant on any time.

First...You do not need to know how to enrich uranium in order to know how to operate or even to build a nuclear reactor.

Second...Enrichment technologies are expensive enough that it is far less expensive with buying uranium on the open market.

So if you think that Russia or Japan, both signatories of the NPT, is going to sell Viet Nam both a nuclear power plant and enrichment technologies, you are seriously mistaken.

Uranium-235 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Uranium-235 is an isotope of uranium making up about 0.72% of natural uranium. Unlike the predominant isotope uranium-238, it is fissile, i.e., it can sustain fission chain reaction. It is the only fissile isotope that is a primordial nuclide or found in significant quantity in nature.

That .72% concentration is what make U-235 so rare that it requires literally tons of Earth processing to get enough concentration for a nuclear power plant chain reaction, let alone concentrate enough for a nuclear weapon.

Uranium in the environment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Uranium is a naturally occurring element found in low levels within all rock, soil, and water. This is the highest-numbered element to be found naturally in significant quantities on earth.

But what make U-238 and U-235 different is that 3 electron mass. That is how little it is. Currently, the most popular method to separate the two isotopes is the centrifuge method. This is where uranium is mixed into a gas and spun inside a cylinder at over 60,000 rpm.

Maraging steel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maraging steels (a portmanteau of "martensitic" and "aging") are steels (iron alloys) which are known for possessing superior strength and toughness without losing malleability,...

The cylinders are made of maraging steel, among the most expensive alloys on the market. So crucial is it for enrichment technologies that any large quantity (tons) of purchase of maraging steel will automatically be flagged for investigation by Interpol and all the major powers' clandestine intelligence services. Supposedly some of these agencies do not have acronyms and their operatives are sanctioned by their countries to operate outside the laws to do whatever necessary to gain information as to who is buying tons of maraging steel, the purchase methods, and why are there steps taken to hide the identities of the buyers and sellers.

NRC: Uranium Enrichment

This rotation creates a strong centrifugal force so that the heavier gas molecules (containing U238) move toward the outside of the cylinder and the lighter gas molecules (containing U235) collect closer to the center. The stream that is slightly enriched in U235 is withdrawn and fed into the next higher stage, while the slightly depleted stream is recycled back into the next lower stage.

Literally thousands of centrifuges are necessary in a multi-stage enrichment operation. Each cylinder must have its own seismic isolation module/station or even the entire plant is on its own seismic isolation.

Uranium Enrichment - Current Issues (USEC Paducah and Portsmouth plants, USA)

(USEC) confirming the company's commitment to install seismic modifications in two buildings at its Paducah, Kentucky, Gaseous Diffusion Plant by September 30.

Clean electricity is a necessity because the slightest fluctuation will affect cylinder rotation speed stability and will not separate the isotopes due to that tiny 3 electrons mass difference. If no -235 isotope is detected in later stages, then the first stage must be taken apart and troubleshoot to find out why.

Finally...As little as 3-5% concentration is enough for a civil use nuclear powerplant and can be purchases cheaply and quickly.

Uranium Markets: World Nuclear Association

Higher than 10% and it will trigger suspicions regarding nuclear weapons grade enrichment and proliferation.

It looks like you have not done even basic research into the issue.

Viet Nam have nothing to gain in trying to acquire enrichment technologies, either clandestinely or through hard labor. Either path will take vital money from rebuilding the country because of communist ineptitude. A functional nuclear powerplant will alleviate much of that rebuilding pain by providing inexpensive electricity to the people.

 

[NiceGuy]

Viet Nam have nothing to gain in trying to acquire enrichment technologies, either clandestinely or through hard labor. Either path will take vital money from rebuilding the country because of communist ineptitude. A functional nuclear powerplant will alleviate much of that rebuilding pain by providing inexpensive electricity to the people.

with new laser technology, No one will know VN enrich uranium over 20 % or not(infact: no one care when VN have HEU fuel enriched to 36 per cent ) . So VN will gain a very big thing: creating nuke bomb in secret

Indian-Russian bro will support VN to make it

 

[Minjitta]

The range of our nuke capable missile Shaddock(550km) is just enough to shoot to China , not to Russia or USA

Nice trolls
Really how many buttons of nukes can Vietnam press? 1..2...3, then how man nukes can Vietnam handles from their enemy? With a small country like Vietnam nukes are not the option.
Vietnam needed to concentrate on education which are sucks btw, economy and stop corruption not to worry about nukes.

 

[ViXuyen]

Second...Enrichment technologies are expensive enough that it is far less expensive with buying uranium on the open market.

That does not matter since Viet Nam's protocol is self sufficient in nuclear fuel

So if you think that Russia or Japan, both signatories of the NPT, is going to sell Viet Nam both a nuclear power plant and enrichment technologies, you are seriously mistaken.

That's why I have said it many times in my posts, if the U.S does not offer a better deal than Russia and Japan, what is the point of negotiation with the U.S in this matter

Uranium-235 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That .72% concentration is what make U-235 so rare that it requires literally tons of Earth processing to get enough concentration for a nuclear power plant chain reaction, let alone concentrate enough for a nuclear weapon.

Viet Nam also has uranium deposits

It looks like you have not done even basic research into the issue.

Not me, it's you. If you don't even know, read Viet Nam's nuclear policy; nuclear fuel self sufficient is a major policy.
Viet Nam have nothing to gain in trying to acquire enrichment technologies, either clandestinely or through hard labor.

Viet Nam has a lot to gain by having the enrichment technologies

 

[Minjitta]

with new laser technology, No one will know VN enrich uranium over 20 % or not(infact: no one care when VN have HEU fuel enriched to 36 per cent ) . So VN will gain a very big thing: creating nuke bomb in secret

Indian-Russian bro will support VN to make it

can you provide proof to what you quote above

 

[Anonymous user]

can you provide proof to what you quote above

When I saw this thread I immediately what's to follows lol "Vn's getting the nuke"

Don't bother with this guy he's got fantasies that make a drug addict hallucination seem tame
In fact I ignored him something back

 

[jhungary]

Viet Nam has a lot to gain by having the enrichment technologies

Umm, actually no......

The only thing vietnam can gain is cheap electricity, Vietnam does not have enough money for enrichment, for that you need at least an extra trillion of dollars, that is if some one is willing to sell. Then you also need to develops miniturization and missile technology. Those 2 ain't cheap

Unless if your goal is to turn Vietnam into North Korea, then Vietnam should go all in with the enrichment. Otherwise, that is a rich man game

And again, judging from the news, US is selling PRE-enriched uranium cake to Vietnam, not the tech how to get to 20% itself

 

[NiceGuy]

And again, judging from the news, US is selling PRE-enriched uranium cake to Vietnam, not the tech how to get to 20% itself

If US dont sell the tech, then we are allowed to buy it from Russia-Japan-EU etc, dude

Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung (center ) and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry ( left margin ) the East Asia Summit after the signing ceremony of bilateral talks off by Vietnam's Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry carried hienBao , known in agreement with the U.S., Vietnam hold rights to develop their capabilities in this area later, can be self- enriched uranium or reprocess fuel from reactors used,

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...ar-technology-deal-vietnam.html#ixzz2ho7gdRtI

 

[NiceGuy]

can you provide proof to what you quote above

I dont know how many kg . we used 89 nuclear rods bought from Soviet union to make 500kw during cold war

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...-technology-deal-vietnam-4.html#ixzz2ho99P6q4

See, no one care abt our HEU fuel enriched to 36 per cent

 

[NiceGuy]

When I saw this thread I immediately what's to follows lol "Vn's getting the nuke"

Don't bother with this guy he's got fantasies that make a drug addict hallucination seem tame
In fact I ignored him something back

when we have laser tech, then we can make nuke secretly dude

Slakey is nervous about a new technology that's been developed to enrich uranium. It's intended to make fuel for nuclear power plants — but it could be used for weapons, too. This technology uses lasers to separate out the desired isotope of uranium.

"It has a lot of appeal, just in physics terms," he says.

A Dangerously Small Footprint

But the downside is that a laser-based enrichment plant can be much smaller and use much less electricity. And that could make a clandestine operation much harder to detect, he says.

"That's the worry — things are starting to get so small and so efficient that it's below the detection limit," Slakey says. "Which creates an enormous proliferation challenge."
Laser Nuclear Technology Might Pose Security Risk : NPR

 

[Capt.Popeye]

They sign nuclear technology deal with Vietnam, what about Pakistan? Their ally on WOT @CENTCOM you have some explaining to do!

Tut-Tut, no. nada.

Nuclear Tech Deals are only for "Responsible States".......
(i.e. States which have no A.Q.Khans or clones thereof)

 

[EastSea]

Take a ralax, bro.

We are going to explore the 7/11 biggest Uranium mines in Vietnam, Quang Nam Province. From time of period 2016-2020 the production lines will be installed with capacity of 100-130 thousands tone raw materials Uranium/year.

With enrictung technology of USA, we can do what we want.

Một tin vui và gây bất ngờ cho ngành khai khoáng Việt Nam khi công tác khảo 7/11 mỏ uranium được phát hiện tại Quảng Nam đã hoàn tất và chuẩn bị khai thác phục vụ phát triển kinh tế.

Link here.S

 

[ViXuyen]

Take a ralax, bro.

We are going to explore the 7/11 biggest Uranium mines in Vietnam, Quang Nam Province. From time of period 2016-2020 the production lines will be installed with capacity of 100-130 thousands tone raw materials Uranium/year.

With enrictung technology of USA, we can do what we want.

Một tin vui và gây bất ngờ cho ngành khai khoáng Việt Nam khi công tác khảo 7/11 mỏ uranium được phát hiện tại Quảng Nam đã hoàn tất và chuẩn bị khai thác phục vụ phát triển kinh tế.

Link here.S

According to the article, it is 130,000 tone/year for EACH of those 7 mines...maybe a mistake?

 

[gambit]

Umm, actually no......

The only thing vietnam can gain is cheap electricity, Vietnam does not have enough money for enrichment, for that you need at least an extra trillion of dollars, that is if some one is willing to sell. Then you also need to develops miniturization and missile technology. Those 2 ain't cheap

Unless if your goal is to turn Vietnam into North Korea, then Vietnam should go all in with the enrichment. Otherwise, that is a rich man game

And again, judging from the news, US is selling PRE-enriched uranium cake to Vietnam, not the tech how to get to 20% itself

These guys are no different from the Chinese when it comes to being sheer muleheadedness in the presence of sound logical arguments.