US shifting alliance to Iran in the Middle East - Thoughts?

[GTR66]

That's a pretty good news for our Iranian brothers who accepted negotiation and relationship improvements with the US and Western countries including the international community leaving Saudi Arabia with hostile. With the news recently, how can Iran approach to the US on the situation in Bahrain? With the story I have heard, US refused to step in support and have pushed ban on riot vehicles, might as well urging Bahrain to push rights for the Bahrain majority Shiites and refuse to participate with Saudi Arabia on the hunt against Yemeni Houthi rebels but to prefer counter Al Qaeda because they are Suuni and pretty much they haven't fought one Shia militants. That is probably why the Gulf states are withdrawing US bases out and accusing them of helping Iran. So, what are they waiting for?

As far as we can recall how Iran offered the US a haven on borders for training on Afghanistan with the Northern Alliance and placing Iran to take the second major role on Iraq invasion alongside with the US who took the first then setting up a Shia government who has a very strong ties and might as well loyal to Iran. Is it possible to repeat the scenario on Bahrain since US and Iran now have admitted relationship improvement and placing Saudi Arabia under hostility?

This is very interesting as far I can say, Saudi Arabia now have said to distance to the US on foreign policy in the Middle East and limit co'ordination shows how much fear Saudi Arabia have inside themselves who thought Iran's dream inspiration in the Middle East would be a joke but appear to be true and Iran is probably gaining confidence politically through meddling and even making them more powerful after the negotiation with the US and includes both nuclear and diplomatic. Not to mention, the US gives hundred billion dollars in military equipments to Iraq who is loyal to Iran giving a military boost for Iran having combined with Russian and China made military at the same time having an ally who gets a billion dollars of military aids from US who both have an opportunity to train military together and adding manpowers, stretching the region from Iran to Lebanon who use Hezbollah to take politics and military presence in the region but according to the Lebanese officials they are unable to confront Hezbollah shows how powerful their presence in the country because of Iran's support and much I have done my research, France also refused to blacklist Hezbollah as terrorist organisation and had given Lebanon military aids but logically, refer to Hezbollah so they have fierce allies.

In my opinion, in all honest, they should repeat the same scenario in Bahrain giving an expansion to isolate the Gulf states since Saudi Arabia's relationship with the US have now strained, their military are most likely outnumbered against Iran who now can use US weapons in Iraq or even in the near future possibly US who would have interest with military agreements for Iran like during the Contra Affair in the Iraq-Iran war and the double invasion 12 years ago who now have bulk of US made leftover weapons. Prince Bander, the intelligence "Bandar" known as Hindu language Ape turned to speak up on the double standards on the United Nations and sectarianism toward the Mid East turmoil so Saudi Arabia declared to distance away from the US. What else? This is going to be interesting in the coming month.

As for Syria, the international community and US have abandoned the country after the chemical attack, then immediately placing Iran on the negotiation table for a relationship improvement shows how much hatred the Free Syrian Army and the fractured National Council have against the US because they are the main key ally of Bashar who uses funding on foreign militias and taking advisers leaving him with confidence while the extremist groups is on the rise show how US wants to stay away and rather improve ties with Iran because they are preferable than extremist so I believe he'll still be in power for another 3 or 5 years.

With regards, please share your opinion Iranians and others.

 

[elis]

USA have always used the enemies of Iran to start wars and then throw them like garbage.

Remember Saddam used like a dog to start the war against Iran 1 year after Khameini took power?

 

[dabong1]

USA have always used the enemies of Iran to start wars and then throw them like garbage.

I think you find there was no sunni-shia issue until Khomeini was bought back to iran by french intelligence and only after that did we see tensions on this issue in the muslim nations.
If we step back a bit further in history you see that the western powers bought the saudis-gulf kings into power who promote a fundamental version of sunni islam then the majority follow thus leading us in the near future to a full scale muslim shia-sunni muslim civil war.
The west will back the sunnis sometimes and then the shias depending on if will add to the probability of a muslim civil war.
The wests attack on iraq has turned that country into a shia state thus adding to the "shia arc" story being fed to the sunni(wahabbis)...........its all about the mslims fighting each other and weakening themselves to such a state that isreal can do what it want to al aqsa.

Remember Saddam used like a dog to start the war against Iran 1 year after Khomeini took power?

I think i also remember saddam wanting peace after about six months and Khomeini refusing which kept the war going for nearly another decade.

 

[Jihad_]

It's quite simple, They are allies in preventing the caliphate to be established.

 

[esfahanijew]

I think you find there was no sunni-shia issue until Khomeini was bought back to iran by french intelligence and only after that did we see tensions on this issue in the muslim nations.
If we step back a bit further in history you see that the western powers bought the saudis-gulf kings into power who promote a fundamental version of sunni islam then the majority follow thus leading us in the near future to a full scale muslim shia-sunni muslim civil war.
The west will back the sunnis sometimes and then the shias depending on if will add to the probability of a muslim civil war.
The wests attack on iraq has turned that country into a shia state thus adding to the "shia arc" story being fed to the sunni(wahabbis)...........its all about the mslims fighting each other and weakening themselves to such a state that isreal can do what it want to al aqsa.





I think i also remember saddam wanting peace after about six months and Khomeini refusing which kept the war going for nearly another decade.

Iran cannot accept ceasefire and saddam dog was occupying their land

It's quite simple, They are allies in preventing the caliphate to be established.

Caliphate is only a dream

 

[Jihad_]

Caliphate is only a dream

The capital will be Jerusalem.

 

[flamer84]

Ofcourse,in one swoop they're going to throw away 60 years worth of alliances just because Rouhani smiles and uses twitter,that's how international policy works.

 

[flamer84]

Ofcourse,in one swoop they're going to throw away 60 years worth of alliances just because Rouhani smiles and uses twitter,that's how international policy works. :cheesy

 

[bdslph]

USA is not shifting alliance to IRAN nor Iran will be a friend of USA easily
there is a big gap

maybe a some level or limited friendship

 

[GTR66]

USA have always used the enemies of Iran to start wars and then throw them like garbage.

Remember Saddam used like a dog to start the war against Iran 1 year after Khameini took power?

What are you on about kid? Before taking some sniff powders, open your history book.

Saddam Hussein triggered the war because the revolution in Tehran had alarmed Iraq after the extremist radicals had called the Shiites to topple the Pan Arabist Ba'ath government so eventually Saddam wanted to bolster his military including building the Osirak nuclear plant but Israel, the main ally of Iran back then had bombed the reactor and started supplying Iran military to prevent Iraq victor. At the same time, America, the powerful Zionist ally had to follow what Israel did while Saddam had his military funding and support from Britain, France and his Arab allies.

This is the reason for seeking interest to topple Saddam with George Bush Jnr because he was a long time Shiite persecutor and a feirce enemy of Iran and so it made the Iranians uncomfortable as a neigbour.

The same interest goes to Afghanistan when the Afghans during Mullah Omar rule had killed Iranian diplomants and triggered border disputes with them so eventually it alarmed Iran so they had organized Northern Alliance with international support particular NATO who would remove Taliban from power and set up a government who is well known to be a fierce fan of Iran.

There is no shame to hide or whatsoever being ally or enemy but to serve the best interest or to benefit whats best for Iran since their main enemy is the Arabs, particular the Suuni refer to Wahhabi whom they call it according to the Shiites. And again, Iran had successfully toppled Ba'ath Iraq and Taliban with the Western support then setting up a loyalist at the same time taking presence in Lebanon whereas, no alarming of the West and no actions had taken when Iran had over 20% uranium for their nuclear project while Israel had succeeded destroying the Olserak facility at the very first day when Iran launched an offensive against Iraq.

Evidence had been taken, US rather seek actions against Suunis because no actions have done against Shiites and Iraq is the best example of it and now officially Iran had turned Iraq, Lebanon and Syria as a colony and had attempted to infiltrate policially against the Bahraini monarch and Yemen but failed. However, the situation in Bahrain is still going on so what is Iran waiting for? With all evidence provided, Iran knows it poses no threat to the West and vice versa while Saudi Arabia sees Iran as a major threat.

If i'm wrong, please provide all evidence.

 

[elis]

If i'm wrong, please provide all evidence.

First i'am not a kid.

It's not the first time that USA lie, you also call beheaders in Syria freedom democrats, so nothing amazing that you say that it was Saddam behind the war against Iran

Actually it was because Khameini has kicked your puppet that you call the Shah. He is like the saudis, he did everything the USA told him and bought a lot of USA weapons

It is not the first time the C.I.A. has meddled in Iraq. In the early 1960's its gruesomely named ''health alteration committee'' sent a monogrammed, poisoned handkerchief to Gen. Abdel Karim Kassem, Iraq's leader. The handkerchief either didn't work or wasn't used. In any case, an Iraqi firing squad executed Kassem in 1963, paving the way for Saddam Hussein's rise to power.

Another C.I.A. Disaster - NYTimes.com

The CIA also played a central role in preparing the death lists of those who were to be eliminated after the coup by squads from the Ba'ath party. Mr Aburish says that he believes 5,000 were killed of whom he has collected the names of 600, including many doctors, lawyers, teachers and professors who formed the educated elite of Iraq.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ddam-on-the-bloody-road-to-power-1258618.html

Saddam also becomes a leader of the Ba'ath Party's student cell in Cairo and reportedly regularly visits the U.S. embassy to meet with CIA agents interested in sparking Gen. Kassem's overthrow.

In February, Kassem is assassinated by members of the Ba'ath Party and the CIA helps the Ba'athists by providing lists of suspected communists for the party's hit squads, who kill an estimated 800 people. Saddam returns home and rejoins the party as an interrogator, torturer and killer. Nine months later, the army overthrows the Ba'ath Party and Saddam is jailed. He is said to have studied the political tactics of Hitler and Stalin while in prison.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

 

[GTR66]

First i'am not a kid.

It's not the first time that USA lie, you also call beheaders in Syria freedom democrats, so nothing amazing that you say that it was Saddam behind the war against Iran

Actually it was because Khameini has kicked your puppet that you call the Shah. He is like the saudis, he did everything the USA told him and bought a lot of USA weapons







Another C.I.A. Disaster - NYTimes.com







http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ddam-on-the-bloody-road-to-power-1258618.html











http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/longroad/etc/cron.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_war

They have supported Iraq but not being first or major. France and Britain were the main military support including trainings while the Arabs backed Iraq by military fundings. US had supported Iraq with satellite and they had supported Iran so pretty much both side.

The Ba'ath Iraq were persecuting the Shiites and the aftermath of the invasion is now ruled by Shiites who now have the sectarian hatred among Suuni civilians and vice versa. Do you have a problem with the United States of America? If you do then it shows that you supported Ba'ath Iraq, Afghanistan under Mullah Omar and oppose Iran backed Hezbollah's movement in Lebanon.

And for the record, both sides in Syria are now rely heavily on foreigners whereas Syrians themselves are suffering in the regime while at the same time the fractured opposition who have very lesser influence on soil seek peace negotiation without realizing who is taking the major role on ground which is the extremist group particular ISIL. Hence, this is why the Western community have turned their back away hecause they are not stupid to listen to an organization with no real leadership.

 

[elis]

You gave Al Qaeda air support in Libya, you would do the same in Syria without the intervention of Russia

You have shipped thousands of tons of CW to Iraq during the war against Iran

 

[GTR66]

You gave Al Qaeda air support in Libya, you would do the same in Syria without the intervention of Russia

You have shipped thousands of tons of CW to Iraq during the war against Iran

What kind of stupid statement is that? Libya wanted to start their revolution and had picked arms against Ghaddafi's force because he had killed his own people then NATO intervened and stopped the regime and left them in their own after Ghaddafi was killed. Is that a problem? No.

As for Iraq, some says Iraq manufactured their own stockpiles while the others had said to receive them from the US so we have a little doubt on that because US was supporting both sides shortly. Even if they had received from them then it wasn't a problem since war is all about violence.

 

[elis]

What kind of stupid statement is that? Libya wanted to start their revolution and had picked arms against Ghaddafi's force because he had killed his own people then NATO intervened and stopped the regime and left them in their own after Ghaddafi was killed. Is that a problem? No.

As for Iraq, some says Iraq manufactured their own stockpiles while the others had said to receive them from the US so we have a little doubt on that because US was supporting both sides shortly. Even if they had received from them then it wasn't a problem since war is all about violence.

Then show me 1 libyan or syrian fighter that don't spend their time screaming Allahu Akbar

They're all salafists invaders as the normal muslims don't scream Allahu Ackbar

Ghadafi was about crushing Al Qaeda in Benghazi as they are very few but you saved them.

You're still calling the beheaders in Syria freedom syrian it proves you lie for everything

And stop liying for Iraq, you have shipped thousands of tons of CW for Saddam just before the 1988 attack