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US sending 20 more F-16s to Egypt, despite turmoil in Cairo

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Instability in Egypt, where a newly-elected Islamic government teeters over an angry population, isn't enough to stop the U.S. from sending more than 20 F-16 fighter jets, as part of a $1 billion foreign aid package.
The first four jets are to be delivered to Egypt beginning Jan. 22, a source at the naval air base in Fort Worth, where the planes have been undergoing testing, told FoxNews.com. The North African nation already has a fleet of more than 200 of the planes and the latest shipment merely fulfills an order placed two years ago. But given the uncertainty in Cairo, some critics wonder if it is wise to be sending more top gun planes.
“Should an overreaction [by Egypt] spiral into a broader conflict between Egypt and Israel, such a scenario would put U.S. officials in an embarrassing position of having supplied massive amounts of military hardware … to both belligerents,” said Malou Innocent, a foreign policy analyst at the Cato Institute. “Given Washington's fiscal woes, American taxpayers should no longer be Egypt’s major arms supplier.”
“Given Washington's fiscal woes, American taxpayers should no longer be Egypt’s major arms supplier.”
- Malou Innocent, the Cato Institute
The U.S. government ordered and paid for the fighter jets for Egypt's military as part of foreign aid for Egypt back in 2010, when Hosni Mubarak ruled. The fighter jets were supposed to be delivered in 2013, and delivery will go ahead as scheduled even though Hosni Mubarak has been removed from power and replaced by Mohamed Morsi, who led the Muslim Brotherhood before becoming Egypt's president.
Morsi was democratically elected, but last month attempted to seize dictatorial powers for himself. After widespread protests and violence in Egypt's capital of Cairo, Morsi backed off from his power grab. But he is pushing through a controversial new constitution for Egypt that would more strictly enforce Islamic Shariah law, and only recently said he reserves the right to have the military arrest protesters without charges.
"The Morsi-led Muslim Brotherhood government has not proven to be a partner for democracy as they had promised, given the recent attempted power grab," a senior Republican congressional aide told FoxNews.com.
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, (R-Fla.), who chairs the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, recently criticized U.S. military aid to Egypt:
“The Obama administration wants to simply throw money at an Egyptian government that the president cannot even clearly state is an ally of the United States,” Rep. Ros-Lehtinen said.
The $213 million order, which is paid for by U.S. taxpayers and is part of Egypt's foreign aid package from America, had to be approved by lawmakers in Washington.While the basic F-16 has been a military workhorse for top air forces for more than 25 years, the cockpit electronics are constantly updated and the models Egypt is getting are the best defense contractor Lockheed Martin makes.
"This is a great day for Lockheed Martin and a testament to the enduring partnership and commitment we have made to the government of Egypt," said John Larson, vice president, Lockheed Martin F-16 programs. "We remain committed to providing our customer with a proven, advanced 4th Generation multirole fighter."
"In an air combat role, the F-16's maneuverability and combat radius exceed that of all potential threat fighter aircraft," the U.S. Air Force description of the plane reads.

"The F-16 can fly more than 500 miles, deliver its weapons with superior accuracy, defend itself against enemy aircraft, and return to its starting point. An all-weather capability allows it to accurately deliver ordnance during non-visual bombing conditions."
A Pentagon spokesman said the U.S. and Egypt have an important alliance that is furthered by the transfer.
"The U.S.-Egypt defense relationship has served as the cornerstone of our broader strategic partnership for over thirty years," said Lt. Col. Wesley Miller. "The delivery of the first set of F-16s in January 2013 reflects the U.S. commitment to supporting the Egyptian military's modernization efforts. Egyptian acquisition of F-16s will increase our militaries' interoperability, and enhance Egypt's capacity to contribute to regional mission sets."
Last month, State Department official Andrew J. Shapiro explained why the administration plans to continue military aid to Egypt:
“I know that the uncertainty over the Egyptian transition has prompted some in Congress to propose conditioning our security assistance to Egypt. The administration believes that putting conditions on our assistance to Egypt is the wrong approach, and Secretary Clinton has made this point strongly. Egypt is a pivotal country in the Middle East and a long-time partner of the United States. We have continued to rely on Egypt to support and advance U.S. interests in the region, including peace with Israel, confronting Iranian ambitions, interdicting smugglers, and supporting Iraq,” he said.
The writer of this piece can be reached at maxim.lott@foxnews.com


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They already have some 200-250 F-16s. Buying 20 more for $1 billion is a rip-off. They should have bought J-10 instead and brought some change in military. In case of war with Israel those F-16s will not be great. One of the reasons is the fact that the enemies know it inside out and moreover they the egyptians would need American weapons only and we already know about their sale and conditions historically. I think from even Pakistan's standards, the reason why JF-17 and J-10 type aircrafts are in demand is so we wont have to worry about sanctions and there is much much more freedom when it comes to upgrades and the different types of weapon it can carry. This is something i think counts the most to make an air force lethal but yet sustainable.
 
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JF-17 and J-10 would get blown out of the sky by the Israeli Air Force.

These two birds are simply not advanced enough to compete or challenge the Israeli Air Force.

F-16 is a much more formidable foe to the Israeli Air Force.
 
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JF-17 and J-10 would get blown out of the sky by the Israeli Air Force.
F-16 is a much more formidable foe to the Israeli Air Force.

The birds the US is giving to the Egyptians will still get blown out of the sky by the IDF. Israeli jets are just super advanced and use next gen radar / ecm / avionics package developed by the Israelis. The Israeli's also know all the weakness of other versions of F-16's so they'll always have an upper hand. They've mastered flying and modernizing the F-16's for many decades now.
 
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The birds the US is giving to the Egyptians will still get blown out of the sky by the IDF. Israeli jets are just super advanced and use next gen radar / ecm / avionics package developed by the Israelis. The Israeli's also know all the weakness of other versions of F-16's so they'll always have an upper hand. They've mastered flying and modernizing the F-16's for many decades now.

when you speck of superiority keep in mind that Egypt will not fight by itself if in any case a war erupts with Israel..
 
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i thought they were eyeing JF-17.

Maybe they will. They have to find ways to replace Mig-21, Mirage V, and F-4 Phantom. Their military budget is not enough to replace them all with F-16s....
 
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its been proven what kind of weapons will bring Israelis to the negotiating table.
 
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The birds the US is giving to the Egyptians will still get blown out of the sky by the IDF. Israeli jets are just super advanced and use next gen radar / ecm / avionics package developed by the Israelis. The Israeli's also know all the weakness of other versions of F-16's so they'll always have an upper hand. They've mastered flying and modernizing the F-16's for many decades now.
In fact, they want to replace American radar with EL/2032 in their F-16s but Americans did not allow it.
 
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when you speck of superiority keep in mind that Egypt will not fight by itself if in any case a war erupts with Israel..

but with other users of downgraded equipment?

Maybe they will. They have to find ways to replace Mig-21, Mirage V, and F-4 Phantom. Their military budget is not enough to replace them all with F-16s....

they wont buy anything else for the time being, no money, Egypt's central bank reserves plunged since the onset of anti Mubarak protests.
put into Google "egypt reserves fall" and you'll see.
 
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They already have some 200-250 F-16s. Buying 20 more for $1 billion is a rip-off. They should have bought J-10 instead and brought some change in military. In case of war with Israel those F-16s will not be great. One of the reasons is the fact that the enemies know it inside out and moreover they the egyptians would need American weapons only and we already know about their sale and conditions historically. I think from even Pakistan's standards, the reason why JF-17 and J-10 type aircrafts are in demand is so we wont have to worry about sanctions and there is much much more freedom when it comes to upgrades and the different types of weapon it can carry. This is something i think counts the most to make an air force lethal but yet sustainable.
Egypt Air force prime focus should be on getting BVR technology so they can really defend themselves and damage their enemy in case of war
 
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JF-17 and J-10 would get blown out of the sky by the Israeli Air Force.

These two birds are simply not advanced enough to compete or challenge the Israeli Air Force.

F-16 is a much more formidable foe to the Israeli Air Force.

It doesn't matter. The tactics that Israelis have will be enough to wipe entire Egyptian F-16s without a single loss from Egyptian F-16s.
 
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It doesn't matter. The tactics that Israelis have will be enough to wipe entire Egyptian F-16s without a single loss from Egyptian F-16s.
if isreal attacked us we have one of the strongest air defense system in the world if isreal air force attacked they will be facing our air force and air defense
but i dont think we will see another war between Egypt and Isreal soon
 
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