ThunderCat
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I guess the only wise method for a conditional ceasefire is a full withdrawal from all internationally recognized territory from Ukraine.
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Really? So if China were in that situation would you give up a third of your territory in return for human lives being saved? Being landlocked with most of the land bordering the Pacific Ocean closed to you? Would the Chinese people accept it?All is worth it if human lives can be saved.
It's my personal opinion, I believe if China knows it's bound to lose and there's risk of annihilation of the Chinese nation, China would compromise, the world history was about compromises between the nations and peoples, why Japan surrendered to US, cause it knew it just can't win.Really? So if China were in that situation would you give up a third of your territory in return for human lives being saved? Being landlocked with most of the land bordering the Pacific Ocean closed to you? Would the Chinese people accept it?
At least you are being honest. But also the world history has also involved no compromises and Ukraine is not in a situation where Japan was. Nor is their country on the brink of annihilation. You could use Afghanistan during the 1980s war or even 2000s with Taliban losing control of the country and mostly recovering in the mountains as well as in Pakistan. Far from it.It's my personal opinion, I believe if China knows it's bound to lose and there's risk of annihilation of the Chinese nation, China would compromise, the world history was about compromises between the nations and peoples, why Japan surrendered to US, cause it knew it just can't win.
I personally value human lives more than lands, and I only speak for myself.At least you are being honest. But also the world history has also involved no compromises and Ukraine is not in a situation where Japan was. Nor is their country on the brink of annihilation. You could use Afghanistan during the 1980s war or even 2000s with Taliban losing control of the country and mostly recovering in the mountains as well as in Pakistan. Far from it.
so? its ukraine's decision and its land, no other country should have a say if they want to put troops on it.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this..All is worth it if human lives can be saved.
Really? So if China were in that situation would you give up a third of your territory in return for human lives being saved? Being landlocked with most of the land bordering the Pacific Ocean closed to you? Would the Chinese people accept it?
"Ukraine could have just, you know, not tried to join NATO, because Russia was saying hurtful things.."russia could have just, you know, not invaded, just because US/NATO were saying hurtful sayings.
that would've been fine for Ukraine to make its own decision on its own land, but under one condition - it does so independently, which Ukraine didnt do, Ukraine accepted and integrated NATO's agenda, plans, maps, miitary equipment, istructors, weapons etc, which destroys Ukraine's innocence, also, Ukraine was abusing its Russian speaking citizens, countries will step up to protect their brothers. you try abusing shiites near Iran and see what happens. so easy for you to talk all this rubbish from your couch huh?so? its ukraine's decision and its land, no other country should have a say if they want to put troops on it.
true, but the cost to Ukraine for failing in that mission US gave it is that it loses its statehood. high risk, high stakes.US will make Ukraine fight till the last Ukrainian standing, for US to weaken Russia
he's asking you about US's response, not Mexico's choice. nice job avoiding a question you cant answer well.then its mexico's choice.
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You are seeing things purely in terms of Russian sphere of influence vs US sphere of influence; this is not the case. One Putin does not have to win the war to win, because Putin is targeting a specific aspect of US policy: namely the disarmament and globalist regimes promoted by the modern west. Two, this also why Biden doesn't care or even want the ukrainians to win either and is instead obsessed with somehow triggering regime change in Russia. If Russia is re-yeltsinified, Biden expects China and Iran to follow suit. Then he imagines that all the countries would sign global treaties effectively disarming their militaries and replacing them with a globalist world defense force. Biden is a true ideologue; he really wants to establish a Star Trek-style world government. Both Non-Western nations and American populists and Western populists fiercely opposes these notions.Eventually, all wars are started and fought by men--politicians--whose over-arching instinct is to stay in power and wars not only bring distractions from the failures of governance but could unify people toward a common cause.
In this vein, as I had said some days ago about this war: It is a war of choice imposed upon Russia by the Neocons sitting in Washington. And while I can see why Russia is threatened about it, I also think had Russia accepted the American hegemony, the Russian losses to 'the West' would be far less than what Russia is facing now and will be facing going forward. The Russian response to NATO is not rooted in self-preservation of Russian people. It is rooted in the ego of powerful men like Putin. Any American hegemony wouldn't be as bad as people here might think.
I don't see how Russia comes out better even if it wins this conflict marginally. It would have to be a comprehensive, overwhelming win over Ukraine to salvage Russia and I don't see that happening unless China supplies military hardware in large quantities.
You are seeing things purely in terms of Russian sphere of influence vs US sphere of influence; this is not the case. One Putin does not have to win the war to win, because Putin is targeting a specific aspect of US policy: namely the disarmament and globalist regimes promoted by the modern west. Two, this also why Biden doesn't care or even want the ukrainians to win either and is instead obsessed with somehow triggering regime change in Russia. If Russia is re-yeltsinified, Biden expects China and Iran to follow suit. Then he imagines that all the countries would sign global treaties effectively disarming their militaries and replacing them with a globalist world defense force. Biden is a true ideologue; he really wants to establish a Star Trek-style world government. Both Non-Western nations and American populists and Western populists fiercely opposes these notions.
Basically Putin wants global proliferation. American and Western populist also want western and global proliferation and rearmament and only disagree with Putin on the size of the Russian Zone vs Size of the western Zone. Biden for his part is a militant global disarmer he wants to disarm all militaries via liberal regime change in America's adversaries: This would be followed by the disarmament of the US itself and disarmament of the common citizenries of the nation. Biden's ultimate goal is a global disarmament regime and the establishment of a global defense force who would be the only ones in the world who would have access to actual weaponry.
Lying Jew doing what he does the best again.Russia started it
If you're from Israel, know that in the next big war, we will destroy all internal vermin and purify our lands.Lying Jew doing what he does the best again.
Lol chosen people according Qur'an you're not chosen people anymore but a global terrorists killing innocent unarmed men and women in your neighborhoodIf you're from Israel, know that in the next big war, we will destroy all internal vermin and purify our lands.
CopeLol chosen people according Qur'an you're not chosen people anymore but a global terrorists killing innocent unarmed men and women in your neighborhood