US says Pakistan harassing its diplomats

[Awesome]

Why has PM Gilani expressed dismay then. Two faced ????
The issue is just for domestic consumption.

Sure then you have no issue, why complain?

The law is above PM Gillani as well.

 

[ajpirzada]

Get it guys our men don't trust your police. If they take permission then may be the person could pass on the info. to terrorists waiting for ambush. After all the parade lane attack couldn't have been done without an accomplice from within the system. And we don't want to take any chance.

so that mean they are not gonna follow the law?
problem solved. lets see who wins this battle. will they continue disobeying the law or mend their ways

 

[ajpirzada]

Why has PM Gilani expressed dismay then. Two faced ????
The issue is just for domestic consumption.

makes you feel happy? doesnt make a difference

 

[khanz]

americans should just stfu already lets be blunt we don't trust them one bit they are not nor have they ever been sincere to pakistan hundreds of innocent pakistani women and children have been murdered by their drone attacks and they complaining about US ? they are LAST people on earth who should be given any special privelage on our soil.We have every right to check their vehicles and deny visas to whoever we don't like .We can give them a full body cavity search if we want if they have nothing to hide then they shouldn't have a problem and if they don't like it then they should be thrown on the first flight back home.
They should count themselves lucky this is all happening under a pro-U.S weak puppet government i'd love to see how they squirm when we actually we actually get a bold nationalistic pro-pakistan government .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Diplomatic ire

It is strange for the US to complain every now and then over alleged harassment of its staff by law enforcement personnel in a land that is fighting a deadly battle against extremists. The US mission has taken strong exception against what it calls the “continued provocative actions and false allegations against its personnel”. Agreed that diplomats enjoy immunity under international law and American diplomatic staff enjoy particular privileges as per understandings reached between the US and Pakistan governments, but can we deny that the security situation in the country is precarious and warrants precautionary measures?

The latest complaint has probably been prompted by the detention of three Pakistani staffers of Karachi’s US consulate in Gwadar. They were travelling in an official car with a fake number plate and, according to police, did not inform the competent authorities before travelling, as is required of all foreign missions’ diplomatic and non-diplomatic staff members. The police have registered a case against them and are now investigating, because they failed to explain the purpose of their visit. The role and activities of the US in Pakistan have been the subject of suspicion and debate for a long time. Drone attacks in tribal areas and leaks about Blackwater’s mercenary operations at places, which regular US forces and intelligence agencies cannot penetrate, have irritated many. Additionally, overly concerned with the security of their staff, armed US marines have harassed and intimidated Pakistani citizens, apparently forgetting that Pakistan is not a colony of the US, but a sovereign country.

Check posts and searches of vehicles have a deterrent value and all citizens have to undergo security scrutiny to prevent any untoward incident. The US is better placed to understand this considering the new regime of mandatory pat-downs implemented at all American airports for the citizens of 14 countries, including Pakistan, arriving in the US. The American security establishment was prompted to enforce this protocol merely because a Nigerian man had managed to board a plane carrying explosives hidden under his clothing. The US mission must appreciate that its diplomatic staff is treated with respect and extended full cooperation in their work in Pakistan and, in turn, should respect the laws of the land. The kind of immunity American personnel are allowed in Pakistan would be unthinkable to Pakistan’s diplomatic staff in the US. Denying checks and getting over-sensitive is not going to solve the problem. Instead, officials of the two countries should arrive at a rational management regime to avoid repeated unpleasant incidents. *

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Rank]

US says Pakistan harassing its diplomats YES SO WHAT ????

When US killed bn of Muslims in IRAQ and Afghanistan where is US SO CALLED "CITIZEN OR DIPLOMAT RESPECT" ???? US killed bn of Muslims and ISREAL killing muslims in PAlentine everyday where is US ???

BS By US its our country and we will do what we like .. I prefer OUR AGENCIES ISI ESPECIALLY arrest all these US diplomats put all of them into jailz and will beat them like dogs for ANY REASON ITS OUT COUNTRY AND WE WILL DO WHAT WE LIKE AND WHAT WE WANT! damn US

 

[S-2]

I doubt that these searches are anything but harassment directed from the ISI. I'm certain that only Americans are being singled out at this point.

"The kind of immunity American personnel are allowed in Pakistan would be unthinkable to Pakistan’s diplomatic staff in the US."

That immunity is a direct function of the immense amount of aid that my government is required by our laws to administer and account. We do so in an environment that is absolutely LETHAL to our officials.

Ask USAid. Or DoD. Both our USAid manager in Peshawar this last year and other American officials in the past have been assassinated in your country. So too Daniel Pearl. So too other NGO workers.

I doubt your embassy in Washington carries either the burden of dispensing aid to America nor the threat of dying while doing so.

From the U.S. Department of State-

"Several incidents of violence against American officials and U.S. mission employees in Pakistan have marred the relationship. In November 1979, false rumors that the United States had participated in the seizure of the Grand Mosque in Mecca provoked a mob attack on the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad in which the chancery was set on fire resulting in the loss of life of American and Pakistani staff. In 1989, an attack on the American Center in Islamabad resulted in six Pakistanis being killed in crossfire with the police. In March 1995, two American employees of the consulate in Karachi were killed and one wounded in an attack on the home-to-office shuttle. In November 1997, four U.S. businessmen were brutally murdered while being driven to work in Karachi. In March 2002a suicide attacker detonated explosives in a church in Islamabad, killing two Americans associated with the Embassy and three others. There were also unsuccessful attacks by terrorists on the Consulate General in Karachi in May 2002. Another bomb was detonated near American and other businesses in Karachi in November 2005, killing three people and wounding 15 others. On March 2, 2006, a suicide bomber detonated a car packed with explosives as a vehicle carrying an American Foreign Service officer passed by on its way to Consulate Karachi. The diplomat, the Consulate's locally-employed driver and three other people were killed in the blast; 52 others were wounded. In September 2008, a truck bomb at Islamabad’s Marriott Hotel killed three Embassy staff."

Background Note: Pakistan-U.S. Dept. of State-March 2009
Thanks...for nothing.

 

[illuminatus]

US says Pakistan harassing its diplomats YES SO WHAT ????

When US killed bn of Muslims in IRAQ and Afghanistan where is US SO CALLED "CITIZEN OR DIPLOMAT RESPECT" ???? US killed bn of Muslims and ISREAL killing muslims in PAlentine everyday where is US ???

BS By US its our country and we will do what we like .. I prefer OUR AGENCIES ISI ESPECIALLY arrest all these US diplomats put all of them into jailz and will beat them like dogs for ANY REASON ITS OUT COUNTRY AND WE WILL DO WHAT WE LIKE AND WHAT WE WANT! damn US

It's the rule of the jungle. The strongest survives and dictates the terms. There is no quick fix for the relationship between Pakistan and the US. The trust deficit is decades old and cannot be removed within a day. Pakistan needs to distance itself from the US. The war has cost many innocent lives and there is no end in sight. There should be no enmity nor any friendship with the US. The harassment allegation is just a underlying frustration of a much deeper problem.

 

[Patriot]

I doubt that these searches are anything but harassment directed from the ISI. I'm certain that only Americans are being singled out at this point.

"The kind of immunity American personnel are allowed in Pakistan would be unthinkable to Pakistan’s diplomatic staff in the US."

That immunity is a direct function of the immense amount of aid that my government is required by our laws to administer and account. We do so in an environment that is absolutely LETHAL to our officials.

Ask USAid. Or DoD. Both our USAid manager in Peshawar this last year and our military attache in the past have been assassinated in your country. So too Daniel Pearl. So too other NGO workers.

I doubt your embassy in Washington carries either the burden of dispensing aid to America nor the threat of dying while doing so.

Thanks...for nothing.

Yeah We are fingering your diplomats.You can do nothing s-2 except ranting here.They are being fingered as we speak.
Thanks...for giving us the opportunity to finger your diplomats.

 

[illuminatus]

Yeah We are fingering your diplomats.You can do nothing s-2 except ranting here.They are being fingered as we speak.
Thanks...

I'm certain that the thuggish behaviour isn't going to be tolerated any more in the future. We're already beginning to see a change in the dealing and attitude of the security officials on the ground. People are getting more and more aggravated with the behaviour of these so-called diplomats that are threading a very thin line. Roaming around with machine guns in their rented pick-ups and harassing everyone they come across. It's only a matter of time before people react in a violent way and take matters into their own hands. The threshold of patience is reaching its limit.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

looking out for our interests is not harassment....

they are welcome to vacate the country if they feel they are being harassed

 

[Vassnti]

I'm certain that the thuggish behaviour isn't going to be tolerated any more in the future. We're already beginning to see a change in the dealing and attitude of the security officials on the ground. People are getting more and more aggravated with the behaviour of these so-called diplomats that are threading a very thin line. Roaming around with machine guns in their rented pick-ups and harassing everyone they come across. It's only a matter of time before people react in a violent way and take matters into their own hands. The threshold of patience is reaching its limit.

This is a frequent statement yet i have not seen any evidence presented to back it up. Seeing embassy staff are trying to keep a low profile even to the extent that they are not using their diplomatic plates to avoid notice i think it rather strange that they would then attract notice by making a point to hassle every Pakistani they come across.

Two things to note, there is a difference between cultural insensitivity and deliberate harrasment. Americans can be loud and arrogant but though this may be offensive it is not harrasment.

Not every one who is loud offensive and white is either an american or embassy staff. I have had to deal with people from europe at times that were far ruder than any american i have met.

The three arrested in the latest incident were all Pakistani's two embasy staff and a police escort so you can hardly claim they were loud arrogant americans hasseling people.

 

[Rafael]

Why has PM Gilani expressed dismay then. Two faced ????
The issue is just for domestic consumption.

Mackrocks, Its our country, Our Americans , Our laws and Our security forces...We'll do whatever we like!!!

"kal lo jo kalna hai"