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WASHINGTON: The US has ruled out any kind of treaty alliance with India, saying the 21st century is not an era of alliances and a mutual agreeable concept of major defence partner is a very apt description for India.

"21st century is not an era of alliances. It is an era of identifying interest, common values and working together in solving all those problems. I do not think that anyone in the United States Government or the Indian Government has any compulsion at all to form a treaty alliance," said Peter Lavoy, Senior Director for South Asia at the National Security Council (NSC), White House.

He was responding to a question at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a top American think-tank.

"Why have that shackle (of being a treaty alliance). I think, the friends that benefit from that are probably satisfactory. I would highlight a phrase that should not be underestimates - Major Defence Partner (with India)," he said.

"There was an understanding, growing perception that we have been doing so much together that we have expanded, deepened the boundaries of co-operation. But there was no brand or phrase or some term that qualified what this relationship is about. I think, the mutual agreeable concept of major defence partner is a very apt description," he said.

"It was largely driven by the extent of deepening co-operation. India achieves success rate of 99 per cent in licenses applied for. That is really astounding. Other kinds of technology is being transferred much more easily and readily than ever before. So there are very significant changes to our own policies and rules and procedures that enabled this defence partnership," Lavoy said.

Lavoy said even before India places a request for something, the United States is ready and prepared.

"Well before a challenge arise, we are already working with India to try to prevent the things from occurring," he said.

"Each of the (US) departments have installed in them the critical importance of this partnership and have internalised thinking about India's interest, thinking about our joint interest as a driving force and how we do business. That is completely transformational. That was not the case even in the beginning of the Obama Administration," he said.



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ays-that-era-is-over/articleshow/54830169.cms
 
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So they get to use Indian military bases (LEMOA), but they are not promising to help India after that? What a bad deal.

Not that mutual defence treaties mean anything to America anyway. China seized the Scarborough shoal from the Philippines in 2012, and America chose to abandon their mutual defence treaty, rather than sanctioning China for even $0.01.

That's how much their mutual defence treaty was worth, not even $0.01. Less then the piece of paper it is written on.
 
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Uncle sam like this to India.

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Background music: DHUM TANA DHUM TANA DHUM TANA DHUM TANA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
"Friends with benefits" ;)
In India's case "Friends without benefits"
First Russia & now daddy USA.

Hae raam ye kya anarth hogaya?
 
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This is a very dirty move. The US is pressuring India to choose sides without giving India a choice in the matter even after India having rejected 'alliances'.

This article, if true, would mean the US is going to treat India as a treaty ally without having signed any documents. They are obviously trying to push India into a corner.

This is a very tricky situation for India.
 
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So they get to use Indian military bases (LEMOA), but they are not promising to help India after that? What a bad deal.

Not that mutual defence treaties mean anything to America anyway. China seized the Scarborough shoal from the Philippines in 2012, and America chose to abandon their mutual defence treaty, rather than sanctioning China for even $0.01.

That's how much their mutual defence treaty was worth, not even $0.01. Less then the piece of paper it is written on.

This is best thing for India because India will maintain close relation with Russia and now with do business with USA as well. it's suite Indian diplomacy.

Uncle sam like this to India.

4_1396418296.gif


Background music: DHUM TANA DHUM TANA DHUM TANA DHUM TANA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
In India's case "Friends without benefits"
First Russia & now daddy USA.

Hae raam ye kya anarth hogaya?

i would say it is better fit for India and Russia friendship hater
 
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So they get to use Indian military bases (LEMOA), but they are not promising to help India after that? What a bad deal.

Bad deal for whom? Neither India nor US want an interlocking alliance like NATO. Aside from China, both countries want to pursue their respective foreign policies. Both are potential rivals and we all know rivals can never be allies.

So they get to use Indian military bases (LEMOA), but they are not promising to help India after that? What a bad deal.

Not that mutual defence treaties mean anything to America anyway. China seized the Scarborough shoal from the Philippines in 2012, and America chose to abandon their mutual defence treaty, rather than sanctioning China for even $0.01.

That's how much their mutual defence treaty was worth, not even $0.01. Less then the piece of paper it is written on.

Hey, if the current Philippines president doesn't give a hoot, why should the US?

This is a very dirty move. The US is pressuring India to choose sides without giving India a choice in the matter even after India having rejected 'alliances'.

This article, if true, would mean the US is going to treat India as a treaty ally without having signed any documents. They are obviously trying to push India into a corner.

This is a very tricky situation for India.

I thought India and US were one on China? So what's the problem? LEMOA is not an alliance in the formal sense, but allows militaries from both countries to use each other bases and facilities. This arrangement is mutually beneficial to both countries without the trouble of having a formal alliance.
 
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Bad deal for whom? Neither India nor US want an interlocking alliance like NATO. Aside from China, both countries want to pursue their respective foreign policies. Both are potential rivals and we all know rivals can never be allies.



Hey, if the current Philippines president doesn't give a hoot, why should the US?



I thought India and US were one on China? So what's the problem? LEMOA is not an alliance in the formal sense, but allows militaries from both countries to use each other bases and facilities. This arrangement is mutually beneficial to both countries without the trouble of having a formal alliance.

America abandoned the Philippines (and their mutual defence treaty) while they were losing territory to China in 2012.

Duterte became the President of the Philippines in 2016.

Four years later. It seems Duterte understands that America's mutual defence treaty was never worth anything to begin with, so might as well negotiate directly with China instead.
 
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would say it is better fit for India and Russia friendship hater
whatever sails your boat.

This is a very dirty move. The US is pressuring India to choose sides without giving India a choice in the matter even after India having rejected 'alliances'.

This article, if true, would mean the US is going to treat India as a treaty ally without having signed any documents. They are obviously trying to push India into a corner.

This is a very tricky situation for India.
just swallow it.
 
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America abandoned the Philippines (and their mutual defence treaty) while they were losing territory to China in 2012.

Duterte became the President of the Philippines in 2016.

Four years later. It seems Duterte understands that America's mutual defence treaty was never worth anything to begin with, so might as well negotiate directly with China instead.

We are not Philippines.

We are having close relation with Russia and now doing some business and mutual corporation with USA.

it's a win win situation for India
 
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We are not Philippines.

We are having close relation with Russia and now doing some business and mutual corporation with USA.

it's a win win situation for India

You are right, India lost a far larger piece of territory (Aksai Chin) under similar circumstances to the Philippines:

Nehru pleaded for US help in 1962 - Times of India

The USA never cared about their vassal states. Ask the Philippines before Duterte, ask the Ukraine in 2014.
 
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WASHINGTON: The US has ruled out any kind of treaty alliance with India, saying the 21st century is not an era of alliances and a mutual agreeable concept of major defence partner is a very apt description for India.

"21st century is not an era of alliances. It is an era of identifying interest, common values and working together in solving all those problems. I do not think that anyone in the United States Government or the Indian Government has any compulsion at all to form a treaty alliance," said Peter Lavoy, Senior Director for South Asia at the National Security Council (NSC), White House.

He was responding to a question at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a top American think-tank.

"Why have that shackle (of being a treaty alliance). I think, the friends that benefit from that are probably satisfactory. I would highlight a phrase that should not be underestimates - Major Defence Partner (with India)," he said.

"There was an understanding, growing perception that we have been doing so much together that we have expanded, deepened the boundaries of co-operation. But there was no brand or phrase or some term that qualified what this relationship is about. I think, the mutual agreeable concept of major defence partner is a very apt description," he said.

"It was largely driven by the extent of deepening co-operation. India achieves success rate of 99 per cent in licenses applied for. That is really astounding. Other kinds of technology is being transferred much more easily and readily than ever before. So there are very significant changes to our own policies and rules and procedures that enabled this defence partnership," Lavoy said.

Lavoy said even before India places a request for something, the United States is ready and prepared.

"Well before a challenge arise, we are already working with India to try to prevent the things from occurring," he said.

"Each of the (US) departments have installed in them the critical importance of this partnership and have internalised thinking about India's interest, thinking about our joint interest as a driving force and how we do business. That is completely transformational. That was not the case even in the beginning of the Obama Administration," he said.



http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ays-that-era-is-over/articleshow/54830169.cms

It is like letting India know that she'll be expected to perform like a mistress in this relationship and she'll get rewarded as much as she satisfies her banger (for lack of proper word).

Already US has taken India to Afghanistan to be gang-banged.

It's like watching hardcore p0rn.
 
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America abandoned the Philippines (and their mutual defence treaty) while they were losing territory to China in 2012.

Duterte became the President of the Philippines in 2016.

Four years later. It seems Duterte understands that America's mutual defence treaty was never worth anything to begin with, so might as well negotiate directly with China instead.

So you agree that the current India - US arrangement is a sound one in that it's not a mutual defence treaty?
 
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