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US report says Pakistan unwilling to pursue militants

Issues are only as complex as they are made.

How insightful. All this time no one realized that they were making the issue complex, and that it actually wasn't intrinsically complicated given that it involved the national interests of numerous countries, a multitude of ethnic groups, global alliances and international security implications. Perhaps you can cut through the manufactured complexity and advise the US/NATO etc. on a trivial solution to fix everything overnight.
 
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How insightful. All this time no one realized that they were making the issue complex, and that it actually wasn't intrinsically complicated given that it involved the national interests of numerous countries, a multitude of ethnic groups, global alliances and international security implications. Perhaps you can cut through the manufactured complexity and advise the US/NATO etc. on a trivial solution to fix everything overnight.

A question of perception coupled with an honest desire to solve based on ground realities .

Anyway lets cut it out.
 
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very well written article ......... it is lack of willingness from nato rather from pak army ........ and thumbs up for pak if they have blocked another route of chaman .
 
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Good thorough analysis.
Do you honestly believe that giving control to Karzai can be a possible solution to this without any help from outside? As is the Afghan govt is weak... there are too many players and corruption and favoritism is rampant.

The fact that there is rampant corruption in Afghanistan may actually work in Karzai's favour as long as he is given enough money to buy loyalties. Yes, Afghanistan will take a long, long time to establish a real government with control over most of the country, but then that is a plain fact that has to be dealt with. Almost 10 years of US/ISAF involvement hasn't changed this reality.

As for support from the outside, I say limit it to money. And of course, the money involved will be 3-5% of what is being spent on the Afghan effort today. So in the grand scheme of things, it's a drop in the bucket.

A negative fallout from this is that Taliban starts making inroads into the rural areas where its has historically had its stronghold causing the whole effort of nation building to collapse.

The Taliban are fighting doggedly because they see no role for themselves in the current setup. If Karzai were to bribe them and try to incorporate at least some elements into a balanced setup, reflective of the Afghan demographics, then perhaps they would lose the desire to fight as aggressively as they are now. Remember, the Taliban did not have a global agenda. That was Osama. The last 10 years have expanded the theatre of conflict needlessly, whereas the smart money should have been on limiting the conflict as much as possible.

I agree that the US strategy in Afghan hasn't worked as well as it has in Iraq. They need to come up with a different strategy altogether, something which will involve reaching out to the rural areas and give them a share in the governance. Without their participation, the Afghan govt will only be restricted in the cities which would render the whole arrangement ineffective with the Taliban regrouping and trying to destabilize the govt slowly but surely.

I think even in Iraq, while the US has been able to prop things up just long enough to withdraw, they've actually served Iran's interests more than they've served their own. Both these wars were highly unadvisable and have been incredibly damaging to the US. At some point in the future perhaps historians will do justice to the true scope of the disaster Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush etc. led the US into. But that's another story...

The strategy you allude to has been the strategy Pakistan has been advocating since day one. You cannot exclude the Pashtun element and hope to stabilize Afghanistan. Other than a small number of highly radicalized people, the bulk of the Taliban are poor Pashtun boys with no option but to throw their lot in with Team Mullah Omar.
 
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Just one Suggestion:-

Can't PA act against the N.Waziritstan militants once for all & make Pakistan terrorist free? Even the policy makers are thinking about the loss of strategic depth in that case, the most valuable strategic depth is the Nukes, not the terrorists. Event these militants attacking Pakistan too, once the action is done then there will be no drone attacks, no problems at all.
 
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Just one Suggestion:-

Can't PA act against the N.Waziritstan militants once for all & make Pakistan terrorist free? Even the policy makers are thinking about the loss of strategic depth in that case, the most valuable strategic depth is the Nukes, not the terrorists. Event these militants attacking Pakistan too, once the action is done then there will be no drone attacks, no problems at all.

A few things you should know:

1) Pakistan has been asking the US for replenishment of its PGM stock and assistance with helicopters, both of which are essential in COIN ops and which have been almost entirely expended due to the long-running operations in FATA. The US has not extended the requested assistance. This equipment is deemed critical for the PA to take up ops in North Waziristan.

2) The existing troops in FATA cannot be used for ops in NWA because unless the PA holds and secures these areas, the terrorists will simply slip into adjoining agencies, causing further issues. Troops have to be freed up from somewhere to do this, assuming that condition #1 above was met. Where do you get them from? Do you ignore the plight of 20 million people affected by the floods? Do you walk away from the Indian border, across which we stare at almost 800,000 deployed troops? Given the number of troops likely required to properly clear and hold NWA, this is not an easy logistical issue. In particular, because there is no solid dialogue or process to resolve mutual issues with India, one unfortunate event in Pakistan or India, undertaken by an individual or small group can bring the countries close to war. No professional army can relocate its forces when it is in such a situation.

3) Consider that the US is constantly oscillating between, "we'll pull out in 2011" and "well, it won't be a *real* pullout". It is not trivial to plan a sustained military op on the Afghan border with these vacillations going on all the time.

4) Until foreign forces are in Afghanistan, there will always be a Pushtun resistance. Whether you call it Taliban or something else, that's up to you. The real way to tone down the conflict in this region is to allow the Afghans to manage their own affairs while assisting them with $$$.
 
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The fact that there is rampant corruption in Afghanistan may actually work in Karzai's favour as long as he is given enough money to buy loyalties. Yes, Afghanistan will take a long, long time to establish a real government with control over most of the country, but then that is a plain fact that has to be dealt with. Almost 10 years of US/ISAF involvement hasn't changed this reality.
As for support from the outside, I say limit it to money. And of course, the money involved will be 3-5% of what is being spent on the Afghan effort today. So in the grand scheme of things, it's a drop in the bucket.

That is an interesting angle to look at. Although we can sit here and speculate that money will indeed make a difference in buying loyalty towards the govt., but do you seriously think that the Taliban ideology can be tackled with money? They have really deep rooted ideologies based upon their interpretation of Quran and their own set of laws. They are only looking for control over the Afghans and the Pashtuns and I doubt money alone will be able to change their minds.

The Taliban are fighting doggedly because they see no role for themselves in the current setup. If Karzai were to bribe them and try to incorporate at least some elements into a balanced setup, reflective of the Afghan demographics, then perhaps they would lose the desire to fight as aggressively as they are doing now.
Yes this is in line with my thoughts... to be able to accept them as a part of the govt in a way that both sides are happy. This is a very tricky thing again depends on how can you convince the Talibs to compromise their ideologies. Hopefully the recent news on talks with the Taliban and the Afghan govt are in those lines.

I think even in Iraq, while the US has been able to prop things up just long enough to withdraw, they've actually served Iran's interests more than they've served their own. Both these wars were highly unadvisable and have been incredibly damaging to the US. At some point in the future perhaps historians will do justice to the true scope of the disaster Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush etc. led the US into. But that's another story...
Perhaps... only future will tell us how the current becomes history. But there will be a definite learning lesson which will help to avoid such things from happening again.... but who would knew that US will repeat this after the Vietnam war.

The strategy you allude to has been the strategy Pakistan has been advocating since day one. You cannot exclude the Pashtun element and hope to stabilize Afghanistan. Other than a small number of highly radicalized people, the bulk of the Taliban are poor Pashtun boys with no option but to throw their lot in with Team Mullah Omar.
Thats the perception I have that the ultimate solution will be to somewhat give everyone a part of the govt to all the stakeholders. The path to this is free and fair election or nominated leaders as a part of the govt.
 
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Just one Suggestion:-

Can't PA act against the N.Waziritstan militants once for all & make Pakistan terrorist free? Even the policy makers are thinking about the loss of strategic depth in that case, the most valuable strategic depth is the Nukes, not the terrorists. Event these militants attacking Pakistan too, once the action is done then there will be no drone attacks, no problems at all.

Its not about Strategic Dept anymore, its about having another hostile nation on this side of our border. That is what we don't want. With the current setup in Afghanistan, we are not gonna be having any kind of friendly relations with it, and those in power over there are gonna raise up the old ghosts of Durand Line and start creating other problems for us. And if such a govt is in power, you and us know very well, India will not waste any time, which it is not even doing now, to support such actions covertly and overtly and see Pakistan sandwiched between two hostile countries.

This was preciously what Gen Kiyani had also told the NATO as well as in Pakistan, that our strategic depth is having a friendly Afghanistan on this side, not a hostile one.

And by the way, having nukes doesn't makes them easy to use it. It needs lots of guts to use the nukes and that also most probably on our own soil.
 
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india should give us a chance to use the nuke on indian soil as experiment then we will think about to use nukes on our soil somewhere near afghanistan ...............................
its easier said than done about using nukes ......................only america used it for once un-neccassirly.........

anyways if america leaves lyke it left in 80s then we cannt guarrantee what is coming next ........ america has to be more carefull .......... bcuz american policies are changing frequently for afghanistan and pakistan.....
 
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Oh great... So now Pakistan should use Nukes on its own people... lol

and its funny how such an absurd notion is even entertained on this forum...

Nukes are good deterrent nothing more...

The people who think that we need to keep America on our side dont realize that there are ways to keep an elephant in check by holding its trunk in a certain way... Our policy should be that if someone dares do something to Pakistan we will annihilate two countries along with us... India and Israel...

The Americans would never dare look at Pakistan with a dirty eye!!!! Not for the sake of their bastard child Israel
 
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Its not about Strategic Dept anymore, its about having another hostile nation on this side of our border. That is what we don't want. With the current setup in Afghanistan, we are not gonna be having any kind of friendly relations with it, and those in power over there are gonna raise up the old ghosts of Durand Line and start creating other problems for us. And if such a govt is in power, you and us know very well, India will not waste any time, which it is not even doing now, to support such actions covertly and overtly and see Pakistan sandwiched between two hostile countries.

This was preciously what Gen Kiyani had also told the NATO as well as in Pakistan, that our strategic depth is having a friendly Afghanistan on this side, not a hostile one.

And by the way, having nukes doesn't makes them easy to use it. It needs lots of guts to use the nukes and that also most probably on our own soil.


I understand your point of being hostile Afghanistan, but is it really possible? Afghanistan cannot stand alone without Pakistan as it is a land locked country and there are a lot of other cultural similarities too.

I said nukes as a deterrent from any external threat, not to use at all. There wont be a full scale war or no defeat to any nuclear countries in conventional conflict.

As of now it is understandable that there is floods, so no operation as of now, but once it is settled, it can possible.
 
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Oh I hold no such positions dear, neither Im US Prez nor Indian PM
 
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I understand your point of being hostile Afghanistan, but is it really possible? Afghanistan cannot stand alone without Pakistan as it is a land locked country and there are a lot of other cultural similarities too.

I said nukes as a deterrent from any external threat, not to use at all. There wont be a full scale war or no defeat to any nuclear countries in conventional conflict.

As of now it is understandable that there is floods, so no operation as of now, but once it is settled, it can possible.

Afghanistan was the only Muslim country to have voted against us joining the UN, so may be this can give you an idea what is up there in their mindset.

Militarily it may not be able to do anything, but supporting militants in FATA (which it is already doing), supporting the Baluch militants (which also it is currently doing) and other steps, like limited incursions, attacking our border posts, bomb blasts like in the past they did, these are all the small things which they can do, to make trouble for us.

And what after 10-15 years, once they have a military standing up, we have mountainous border with them, they can do anything to create trouble with us.

So, such a govt is not acceptable to Pakistan, nor would be in our best interests.

And nukes may be a deterrent, but if there is no use policy, then it is not worth having it. So, we have an enemy, which is very much capable, and in future more capable to do deep penetration of our country, who may not take the nuke threat seriously and do such a thing in an event of war.

So nothing is out of the question, we have have limited war, as well as a full blown war with the intention of capturing vast territory to bring the enemy to the table and the nuke threat may be sidelined knowing it as an assumption that Pakistan would not use it, knowing it will be retaliated with from the opposite side.

So, the people running the show, you never know what they assume and based on that what they do.

And floods are not the only issue hindering the action in NW. There are many other factors also, which are there stopping any action there, TechLahore i believe did mention some of them, which are very critical, troops being one of the largest one, as we have no more room for any more troops, nor can we transfer them from the already deployed areas, be it the eastern borders or the FATA operational areas, as those areas have not been fully normalized and any outflow of troops from those areas, will make empty room, which once again can be occupied the militants, as majority of them are safely in Afghanistan and will return the moment they see army leaving.
 
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U.S. Slams Pakistani Effort Against Militants

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WASHINGTON—A new White House assessment steps up criticism of Pakistan's campaign against militants, stating bluntly that its government and military have been unwilling to take action against Al Qaeda and like-minded terrorists.

The aggressive language of the report—which also criticizes the leadership of President Asif Ali Zardari—could further strain difficult relations with a key ally and undercut support in Congress for providing billions of dollars in aid to Islamabad.

The report, viewed by The Wall Street Journal, also raises questions about the U.S.-led coalition's progress battling the Taliban and improving governance in Afghanistan two months before the White House will review its war strategy.

The administration and Pentagon have until now tried to keep their harshest criticisms of Pakistan private to avoid a public rift, but the report shows growing U.S. frustration, officials said. "The report reflects that there are real challenges we have with Pakistan," said an Obama administration official. Officials at all levels are in talks with Pakistan to address these issues, the official added.

President Barack Obama, in a letter to Congress accompanying the report, said he doesn't see the need for any adjustments in Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy "at this time."
While administration officials have publicly played down the need for adjustments in strategy, they have made some changes, including a recently stepped-up campaign of strikes in Pakistan by Central Intelligence Agency drones against militants whom the U.S. sees Islamabad as unable or unwilling to attack.

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Pakistani officials have said they don't lack the will and that they have generally stepped up their efforts in response to U.S. requests, getting too little credit for it. But they say their army is already stretched thin—a problem exacerbated when soldiers were diverted to respond this summer to the worst flooding in the country's history.

"The Pakistan military continued to avoid military engagements that would put it in direct conflict with Afghan Taliban or al Qaeda forces in North Waziristan," the White House concludes, referring to the Pakistani tribal region that U.S. officials say is being used as a staging ground for attacks on troops in Afghanistan, as well as to plot attacks on targets in Europe.

U.S. officials say they are increasingly frustrated by Pakistan's decision not to send large numbers of ground forces into North Waziristan. "This is as much a political choice as it is a reflection of an under-resourced military prioritizing its targets," the unclassified, 27-page report finds.

In the neighboring tribal region of South Waziristan, "Pakistani military operations advanced slowly" because they haven't been able to stabilize areas after they clear them of militants, the White House found.

There, "the military largely stayed close to the roads and did not engage against those [Pakistani Taliban] militants who returned after fleeing into North Waziristan."

While the Pakistani military has dedicated 140,000 forces to the tribal areas, "the Pakistan military was nonetheless constrained to disrupting and displacing extremists groups without making lasting gains against the insurgency."

The report, issued by the National Security Council in response to a congressional requirement for regular progress updates, reflects the input of numerous agencies, including the State Department, Pentagon and intelligence agencies.

Questions about aid to Pakistan have been growing in Congress in recent months, and congressional aides said the downbeat assessment could fuel lawmakers' qualms and calls for putting more conditions on U.S. funding.

U.S.-Pakistan tensions are already high. The limited U.S. military presence in Pakistan, restricted to training and advising the country's security forces, is particularly sensitive.

A series of cross-border raids by North Atlantic Treaty Organization helicopter gunships from Afghanistan, including one that killed several Pakistani border guards who fired their weapons to wave off a coalition helicopter, have inflamed anti-American sentiment and prompted Islamabad to shut a key crossing used to deliver supplies to the U.S.-led coalition.

On Wednesday, Pakistani police told the Associated Press that gunmen torched eight tankers carrying fuel to NATO forces in Afghanistan. It was at least the third strike on a NATO fuel convoy in the last week.

The report doesn't limit its criticism to the military efforts. It says Pakistan's civilian leadership faces "broad-based" challenges that "have the potential to impact the stability of the government."

Massive floods and tensions between political parties have compounded problems facing President Zardari, it says.

The government's clumsy response to the flooding has greatly undermined the already shaky public support for Mr. Zardari, the report says.

"President Zardari's decision to travel to Europe despite the floods exacerbated inter-party tensions, civil-military relations, and damaged his image in the domestic and international media," the report says, noting that local polls shows that the public considers the civilian government's response to be slow and inadequate.

Even before the flooding, Mr. Zardari faced "broad lack of political support," the White House says, in addition to a fragile economy and difficult relations with the military.

The report notes the wide gap in public esteem for civilian and military institutions. Confidence in the civilian government has fallen from 38% at the end of 2009 to 31% in mid-2010, while confidence in the military has grown from 75% to 82% during the same time period.

Lack of will has also hampered Pakistan's budget management, the report concludes. While the Pakistani government has worked closely with the U.S. Embassy to improve the use of U.S. aid, "a lack of political will on budget implementation and overall donor assistance continues to be a major challenge."

On Afghanistan, the report reflects how initial optimism at the beginning of 2010 about the campaign in Helmand province has eroded. In February, the U.S. military staged a large air assault to retake the city of Marjah from insurgents, promising to quickly reestablish Afghan government control.

But the report acknowledges that the progress in Helmand, like the rest of Afghanistan, is uneven. "Projected gains have yet to manifest themselves fully in Helmand Province," the report said. "The campaign was broadly on track, but faces a resilient enemy that continued to exploit governance and security gaps in a number of areas."


Difficulty in safely travelling around the country, the report said, has prevented gains in improving governance or the economy. Among the districts the military considers "key terrain" in Afghanistan, only a few showed improved security, the report said.

White House Report Faults Pakistan's Antimilitant Campaign - WSJ.com
 
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