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WASHINGTON (September 23 2008): Afghanistan's defense minister proposed Monday creating a joint Afghan-Pakistani-coalition force to operate against insurgents on both sides of the Afghan-Pakistan border. Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak said the idea was broached about a month and a half ago at a meeting of senior US, Afghan and Pakistani officials.

The Pakistanis "said they are looking at it," Wardak told reporters during a visit to the Pentagon. "A terrorist does not recognise any boundaries," Wardak said. "So to fight them we have to eventually come up with some arrangement together with our neighbour Pakistan that we should have a combined and joint task force of coalition Afghan and Pakistani forces to be able to operate on both sides of the border."

Pentagon officials said the idea of forming a joint force with the Afghan military was not a new one, but in the past had been rebuffed by the Pakistanis because of concerns for their sovereignty. US administration officials are currently engaged in a broad review of strategy in Afghanistan as well as Pakistan in response to rising violence, fuelled in part by the existence of safe havens in Pakistani tribal areas along the border.
 

WASHINGTON (September 23 2008): Afghanistan's defense minister proposed Monday creating a joint Afghan-Pakistani-coalition force to operate against insurgents on both sides of the Afghan-Pakistan border. Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak said the idea was broached about a month and a half ago at a meeting of senior US, Afghan and Pakistani officials.

The Pakistanis "said they are looking at it," Wardak told reporters during a visit to the Pentagon. "A terrorist does not recognise any boundaries," Wardak said. "So to fight them we have to eventually come up with some arrangement together with our neighbour Pakistan that we should have a combined and joint task force of coalition Afghan and Pakistani forces to be able to operate on both sides of the border."

Pentagon officials said the idea of forming a joint force with the Afghan military was not a new one, but in the past had been rebuffed by the Pakistanis because of concerns for their sovereignty. US administration officials are currently engaged in a broad review of strategy in Afghanistan as well as Pakistan in response to rising violence, fuelled in part by the existence of safe havens in Pakistani tribal areas along the border.
My Dear Neo, sir
It wont work, & Wardak or his words dont have any value in the war theatre itself?
 
Waste of time and resources, not to mention it will start a whole new blame game. And frankly, its not worth, it will achieve nothing. ANA is completely useless as it is. Even their American trainers say they are the worst soldiers they have ever seen, hardly any of them are Pathan in whose areas the fighting will take place...so I dont think our Pakistani soldiers will get along with them one bit (even if they wanted to).
 
Yes form one with all the members from Khad, anti-Pakistan elements in, finding legal entry to pass on information.

And why on earth Pakistani forced be killed for them by patrolling on Afghan side of the border.

Instead why the Karzai forces and NATO do not take measure to stop infiltration in the first place?
 
Its just another way to cross the border. Pakistan should cleary and strongly reject such statements. By the way i doubt it will happen from the current GOP.
 
Its just another way to cross the border. Pakistan should cleary and strongly reject such statements. By the way i doubt it will happen from the current GOP.

well we know the reality of the governement but what are for ??
:) you understand what i mean.
Its the public pressure that would make them refrain from many things.

Lets highlight this bluff too.
 

WASHINGTON (September 23 2008): Afghanistan's defense minister proposed Monday creating a joint Afghan-Pakistani-coalition force to operate against insurgents on both sides of the Afghan-Pakistan border. Defense Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak said the idea was broached about a month and a half ago at a meeting of senior US, Afghan and Pakistani officials.
I think this is an excellent idea.
 
US proposes joint border force in Fata
Wednesday, September 24, 2008
NEW YORK: Besides trying to create a joint border task force, comprising troops from Nato, Pakistan and Afghanistan to combat insurgents along the Pak-Afghan border, US commanders have asked for doubling the number of US troops in Afghanistan, a senior US official told The News on Tuesday morning.

"The idea of creating a joint border task force was perhaps the best option for both Pakistanis and Americans to avoid the US incursions at this point and I believe Pakistanis are giving a serious thought to it," a US official said.

Afghan Defence Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak, who is in the US these days, has also supported the idea and told reporters that this concept of a joint border task force was discussed a month-and-a-half ago at a tripartite meeting with prospective partner nations, including Pakistan. "They say they are looking at it," Wardak said of the government in Islamabad.

Wardak said: "We should have a combined joint task force for coalition, Afghan and Pakistan to be able to operate on both sides of the border, regardless of which side." The Afghan defence minister has estimated 10,000 to 15,000 full-time insurgents operating in his country.

A US military official told this correspondent that the military commanders in Afghanistan had asked for doubling the numbers of US troops to fight terrorists in Afghanistan effectively and US Defence Secretary Robert Gates was seeking support at the Capitol Hill in this regard.

By Sami Abraham
 

By Paul Tighe

Sept. 24 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. should provide intelligence to help Pakistan's security forces fight pro- Taliban militants in the tribal regions bordering Afghanistan, Information Minister Sherry Rehman said.

Pakistan wants ``actionable intelligence and we will act upon it,'' the official Associated Press of Pakistan cited Rehman as saying in New York where she is attending the United Nations General Assembly with President Asif Ali Zardari.

The Pakistani leader will use his address this week to outline the critical situation the country is facing trying to combat extremists, Rehman said. A suicide bomb attack killed 53 people at the Marriott Hotel in Islamabad on Sept. 20.

Pakistan's anti-terrorism operations have created tensions with the U.S., which says the government isn't doing enough to combat al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters based on the Pakistani side of the border with Afghanistan. Zardari has made clear Pakistan objects to the U.S. carrying out unilateral military strikes inside Pakistani territory in pursuit of terrorists.

Zardari warned in his first speech to Parliament on Sept. 20 that his country won't tolerate the violation of its sovereignty and territory.

``Your words have been very strong about Pakistan's sovereign right and sovereign duty to protect your country and the United States wants to help,'' President George W. Bush said before a meeting with Zardari in New York yesterday.

Pakistan has ``problems'' it is working to resolve, Zardari said. ``We should come together in this hard time and we will share the burden and responsibility with the world.''

Permission to Strike

The Pentagon has presidential permission to unilaterally strike Taliban and al-Qaeda targets in Pakistan, Defense Secretary Robert Gates told the Senate Armed Services Committee in Washington yesterday.

Gates said it was ``certainly'' his view that the UN charter allows a nation the right of self-defense when a foreign government is either unable or unwilling to take care of international terrorist activity inside its borders.

``The fact we are operating under a UN charter in Afghanistan certainly strengthens that,'' Gates said.

Renewed military operations by the Pakistani military are stemming cross-border Taliban attacks against U.S. and North Atlantic Treaty Organization forces in Afghanistan, he said.

Military Operations

Pakistan's military said last week more than 700 gunmen were killed in six weeks of fighting in the Bajaur tribal region in the northwest.

Security forces killed 50 militants in North West Frontier Province over the past two days at Dara Adam Khel, about 45 kilometers (28 miles) south of the provincial capital, Peshawar, Major Murad Khan said yesterday.

Security forces took control of the Kohat Tunnel linking Peshawar with Sindh Province, he said. The tunnel was damaged in a bomb attack several months ago, APP cited Khan as saying.

Pakistan's fight against terrorism involves a strategy of improving the economy in the tribal regions and using force only when necessary against militants there, Zardari said in his speech to lawmakers.

The operations in the northwest have put pressure on terrorists and the Marriott bombing may have been a result of their frustration, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said after the attack.

To contact the reporter on this story: Paul Tighe in Sydney at ptighe@bloomberg.net
 
Why do we need their permission to do so?

But of course, this would give hardliners in US justification to get into Waziristan and elsewhere.

However; small contingents of US troops have been raiding in Pak territory ever since they invaded Afg, supposedly going after AQ - If Pakistan has th capablity to mount such operations, Indian terror camps ought to be targetted, however; not without first preparing a media ground work: back groun dinformation has to be deseminated, stories planted, a significant effort to get the story out to the regional media and espeially the English media - the American media, no need for that effort.



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Who is going to control this JBF? I mean who gives the order that the unit attacks a particular target when intel is received? Will it be rotating leadership? Will the commanders of all participating nations know in advance what intel is available and that a mission is being launched?

If Pakistan is in the know anyway, and will possibly have rotating command, why not just share intel and have Pakistani forces attack the target? The argument that sharing intel results in the bad guys getting tipped off still applies in this case, and I doubt we are just goign to hand over our guys to be used blindly (without Pakistani commanders knowing about missions they are deployed on) by a US commander. Not to mention that US intel is hardly the most accurate in the region.
 
How can someone be trusted if his nation produces the most heroin in the world? Blamed pakistan for everything? Does not want to take their millions of refugees back? Support US in attacking Pakistan? I do not htink that it solves anything. Last time they advised to shoot at Pakistani military post...
 
Robert Gates seem to be opening up in the media perhaps to create an atmosphere to attack Pakistan and in the light check the response from the Pakistani side as well as other collation partners. That is why he is now talking about UN charter about going after the terrorist organisations. One way or the other US is trying to turn the international environment into its favor to officialy attack Pakistan.
We too need to get open and try to gain as much support as we can from nations like france, china, germany who agree with our stance. Mr president should stop visitng US every now and then, it looks stupid, and instead go where he should be to gain support.
 
But of course, this would give hardliners in US justification to get into Waziristan ?

Asslamulaikum,

Nothing more than that! We are again providing occassions to infidels to attack the holy land without any compromise!
Just a single attack at marriot throbed the whole Pakistan, but we don't think of our those brothers and sisters, ultimately muslims of Waziristan!

Eventually they will have another way to enter.............

It was a blunder by the brave General at that time when the worst words of an American, he listened on phone;

" We will push you back to the stone age".......

and paved the way for them, to undermine the islamic, peaceful and full of justice Govt of Taliban..............a " U" turn on Afghan policy!!!!

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