US President Donald Trump orders Pentagon to create US 'Space Force'

[Ultima Thule]

You can literally just fire huge rods from space and once they hit a country, the kinetic impact alone will do more damage than a nuclear bomb (but without all the radiation and other after effects).

Look like you're inspiring too much GI Joe retaliation concepts but it will long way to go may be in distant future but definitely not in near future @dsr478

 

[gambit]

This is more possible for US than most realize...

 

[Yaseen1]

foolish decision to burn tax payer money.there is high chance if such weapon goes out of control it may hit back u.s and friendly allies

 

[randomradio]

The US is actually ahead, as in far ahead.

Sure. I was referring to creating a new wing, nothing to do with technological stuff.

Now what do you think the X-37B have been doing all this time? Taking orbital selfies?

The X-37s are too small for manned missions, so let's not give it more credit than it deserves. It's apparently doing what it's supposed to, but it's like the dinosaur version of what's coming up.

In the long run, we are not talking about simply making satellite launches as part of this space force. We are actually talking about something in the line of the James Bond movie 'Moonraker' with astronaut combat troops.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/07/politics/space-corps-bill-trnd/index.html

You think we cannot do it?

Yeah, I already know. All the major powers are working towards something like this. But there's actually very little point to it right now. Most space battles today would mainly involve either blowing up satellites or even stealing satellites, and will have very little to do with space cowboys.

I already told you long ago about "space-fighters" that are coming up. We will start seeing first flights of these new era "fighters" after 2025, with new throttleable propulsion systems. We have two known active programs related to this. So it's obvious other countries have this stuff coming up too.

 

[The Accountant]

Mock US all you want, but that mockery reveals the typical shortsightedness in others that support US preeminence and dominance in most areas.

Why did airpower had to become a separate force?

Whenever an army fight, its enemy is always immediately in front of it. Artillery may make engagement some distance out of sight, like maybe over a hill, but the creation of an attack from the air implies that there is more to warfare than just being two dimensional as thousands of yrs have done it. So as long as airpower is subordinate to ground warfare doctrines, airpower will always be short term based in its perspectives. Always tactical and never strategic.

WW II was when airpower philosophically matured, even when organizationally, air forces were under army command. Proponents of airpower successfully argued for their operational independence. Instead of attacking enemy troops, airpower attacked the resources that supports those enemy troops. Ballbearing factories and petroleum refineries became viable and justifiable military targets. Things that will take several degrees of movements before they are turned into weapons instantly became vulnerable to a military.

So airpower had to become an independent force to further its own warfare doctrines.

Look at it this way...Would landlocked Mongolia have any use for knowledge of naval operations and warfare? No. Geography is the limiter to Mongolia developing any idea of seafaring ventures.

So when there are no constrains to develop new doctrines of warfare in other dimensions, whoever takes the first initiative increases his odds of becoming long term dominance in that new dimension.

Brother it is not about the advantages of space warfare but humanity decided earlier that space will be weapon free ... Putting weapons in space could have disastrous impacts as space has no boundaries ...

What does make you think that Russia, China, North Korea, India, Pakistan and Israel will not follow the development?

This is a dangerous game and leading to world war 3 ...

Why are people making fun of the US setting up a space command?

The Russian Air Force no longer exists. It's the Russian Aerospace Forces now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Aerospace_Forces

The Chinese already have the Strategic Support Force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Liberation_Army_Strategic_Support_Force

The US is in fact late to the party.

India also has the Integrated Space Cell, which will soon be converted into the Aerospace Command in a few years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Space_Cell

This is back from 2005.
http://spacenews.com/indian-government-set-create-aerospace-command/
“It is possible to conceive a system that is not run by air force at all,” Siddhartha said.

Man what trump is talking about is armed forces , the current divisions you are referring to are basically information warfare divisions having satellites as there primary tools ...

 

[randomradio]

Man what trump is talking about is armed forces , the current divisions you are referring to are basically information warfare divisions having satellites as there primary tools ...

Nope, they are all talking about the same thing. It's not all public yet.

Imagine going through space to insert troops behind enemy lines.

 

[The Accountant]

Nope, they are all talking about the same thing. It's not all public yet.

Imagine going through space to insert troops behind enemy lines.

Yes they are talking about it but existing divisions are not weapon divisions ... Research is something else ... Do you think that there is no research already done by US on space warfare ?

 

[Malik Usman]

Welcome to the destruction of the world...the only peaceful area (Upper space) is now going to become a war-zone of superpowers....

 

[gambit]

Brother it is not about the advantages of space warfare but humanity decided earlier that space will be weapon free ... Putting weapons in space could have disastrous impacts as space has no boundaries ...

What does make you think that Russia, China, North Korea, India, Pakistan and Israel will not follow the development?

Humanity also decided that nuclear weapons are terrible and that we should make efforts to reduce their existence to zero. How is that working out for everyone?

http://www.nti.org/analysis/reports/nuclear-disarmament/

As long as humanity cannot resolve differences thru diplomacy, which implies compromises, humanity will always seeks advantages in warfare. Did we stopped at gunpowder? Or the machine gun? No, we kept going. All the way up to exploiting the atom.

Russia, China, et al, to follow? We are counting on it. You think those countries have not thought of the idea to gain at least one upper hand over US and the rest of the world?

 

[randomradio]

Yes they are talking about it but existing divisions are not weapon divisions ... Research is something else ... Do you think that there is no research already done by US on space warfare ?

As of now, the current space commands are defensive in nature. Except for A-SATs, nothing else has been weaponised.

Humanity also decided that nuclear weapons are terrible and that we should make efforts to reduce their existence to zero. How is that working out for everyone?

http://www.nti.org/analysis/reports/nuclear-disarmament/

As long as humanity cannot resolve differences thru diplomacy, which implies compromises, humanity will always seeks advantages in warfare. Did we stopped at gunpowder? Or the machine gun? No, we kept going. All the way up to exploiting the atom.

Russia, China, et al, to follow? We are counting on it. You think those countries have not thought of the idea to gain at least one upper hand over US and the rest of the world?

The US respects international treaties.

When the time comes, the US will actually withdraw from the Outer Space Treaty before trying anything. Like they did with the ABM Treaty.

 

[The Accountant]

Humanity also decided that nuclear weapons are terrible and that we should make efforts to reduce their existence to zero. How is that working out for everyone?

http://www.nti.org/analysis/reports/nuclear-disarmament/

As long as humanity cannot resolve differences thru diplomacy, which implies compromises, humanity will always seeks advantages in warfare. Did we stopped at gunpowder? Or the machine gun? No, we kept going. All the way up to exploiting the atom.

Russia, China, et al, to follow? We are counting on it. You think those countries have not thought of the idea to gain at least one upper hand over US and the rest of the world?

Agreed but is there is any dispute that nuclear weapons were a mistake ? Similarly weaponizing space is also a mistake ... Atleast we should acknowledge that this is a mistake ... Be it China or US no mater the originator but this should not be done ...

 

[Hamza913]

Look like you're inspiring too much GI Joe retaliation concepts but it will long way to go may be in distant future but definitely not in near future @dsr478 View attachment 481494 View attachment 481495

Asalamu Alaikum

Laugh all you want, but it's very feasible.

Still they can be countered by air defences, but what if throwing monster size boulders from space to confuse and engage the air defences of adversary while launching missiles from mainland may be some sort of new kind of war tactic.

Asalamu Alaikum

Something like that could work, but with the missiles being the bait and the sticks being the real killer since they could go at a higher velocity due to acceleration.

 

[CIS-TRANS]

Asalamu Alaikum

Something like that could work, but with the missiles being the bait and the sticks being the real killer since they could go at a higher velocity due to acceleration.

Walaikum salam
Send barrage of rockets then to engage there air defences and then throw a real killer from space, sounds really like a modern battle tactic.

 

[Hamza913]

Walaikum salam
Send barrage of rockets then to engage there air defences and then throw a real killer from space, sounds really like a modern battle tactic.

They'll probably end up being able to intercept that too though by the time ABM systems are running properly, or be very close to it.

Although, you could just give your nukes highly advanced counter measures and fire them from space rather than the sticks.

I'm also curious as to whether or not countries will ever look into (or have looked into) sending people into enemy territory to set off small scale dirty bombs. Could certainly be effective albeit highly frowned upon.

 

[Safriz]

I stil remember Ronald Regan's Star wars program and how miserably it failed. Also use of space for war is prohibited by international treaty because USA is not the only one capable of doing so, others are also willing to station weapons in space. Stupid Trump has started a chain reaction.