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At one level, people need to sympathize with poor Bill for finding comfort in arms of women other than his wife.

I'm inclined to agree with that. I was just recently talking with a friend about this exact subject.

We talked about the fact that there might be a significant amount of people out there who because of political correctness and it not currently being socially acceptable wouldn't admit that they were going to vote for Trump.

But will those numbers be enough to take him over the top in the end though? By all indications it looks like they won't be. With the way this election has been going though, I wouldn't rule anything out.


Well, it was enough for Brexit. So who knows?

And here PC needs are much higher than it was for Brexit.
 
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At one level, people need to sympathize with poor Bill for finding comfort in arms of women other than his wife.

Well its fine when its consensual as say the lewinsky thing (and others) was.

When its assault (rape), that is never acceptable whatever your wife/political companion is like.

I mean no one really cares that FDR had a serious extra-marital affair and probably some others on the side too for that very reason.
 
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Here's part I for all those interested:


Don't have time right now, will be back later, but just want to say James o Keefe is a slimeball and any video he releases shouldn't be trusted.

Feel free to look him up on wiki.
 
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Don't have time right now, will be back later, but just want to say James o Keefe is a slimeball and any video he releases shouldn't be trusted.

Feel free to look him up on wiki.

Doesn't change the fact of what this guy he was talking to was saying, or that he got fired because of it.
 
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Doesn't change the fact of what this guy he was talking to was saying, or that he got fired because of it.

The video is very damning indeed. James O'Keefe does have a reputation for being a slimeball in some circles, but that doesn't take away from what was freely admitted to in the video.

And all of a sudden after that video became public, that guy became persona non grata :lol:
 
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The video is very damning indeed. James O'Keefe does have a reputation for being a slimeball in some circles, but that doesn't take away from what was freely admitted to in the video.

And all of a sudden after that video became public, that guy became persona non grata :lol:

Indeed.... swing state shenanigans must be looked out for vigilantly by localised, neutral and independent citizen groups.

I can't believe how lax the US is regarding voter lists and voter ID.
 
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Indeed.... swing state shenanigans must be looked out for vigilantly by localised, neutral and independent citizen groups.

I can't believe how lax the US is regarding voter lists and voter ID.
All because of the Dems. SUch a situation favours them a lot.

Get this you need an ID card for welfare benefits & a car drivers license+a lot more,but wanting one for voting is racist. -_-

When the repubs try to change this carelessness, they are called racist by these human rights people & the Dems.
 
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The video is very damning indeed. James O'Keefe does have a reputation for being a slimeball in some circles, but that doesn't take away from what was freely admitted to in the video.

And all of a sudden after that video became public, that guy became persona non grata :lol:

The thing is, the man has edited videos before to make it seem like they are admitting things to questions that he never in fact asked them for that question. That's what I mean when I say you can't trust his videos, you don't know how he has twisted the footage to make it seem that way.

Here is part of the acorn video


Remember, this video was demonstrably found to be edited by James O Keefe to make it seem like they were agreeing to help a pimp in the underage sex trade develop his business, which was found out through the court was not in fact what happened, and O Keefe had to pay a huge settlement to the employees.

Also James O Keefe is essentially employed by Breitbart.

Here is his wiki page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O'Keefe
 
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Trump’s path to an electoral college victory isn’t narrow. It’s nonexistent.

The trajectory of the 2016 presidential race — which will result in a Hillary Clinton victory — remains largely unchanged from May, when Donald Trump and Clinton were in the process of wrapping up their nominations.

But what has changed recently is Clinton’s likely winning margin. For many weeks, even months, I have believed that Clinton would defeat Trump by three to six points. If anything, that range now looks a bit low, with the Democratic nominee apparently headed for a more convincing victory, quite possibly in the four-to-eight-point range.

Trump continues to be his own worst enemy, saying or tweeting things that only fuel chatter about his current and past views, values and behavior. His comments about people — from Vladimir Putin and Alicia Machado to some of the women who have accused him of sexual assault — have kept the focus on him at a time when he should be making the election a referendum on Clinton.

No, Trump’s supporters have not turned on him. But he trails badly with only a few weeks to go until Nov. 8, and he must broaden his appeal to have any chance of winning. That is now impossible.

Major national polls show Clinton leading among likely voters by anywhere from as few as four points, in the Oct. 10-13 Washington Post-ABC News poll, to as many as 11 points, in the Oct. 10-13 NBC News-Wall Street Journal survey.

Clinton’s personal ratings among registered voters remain terrible. A mind-boggling 62 percent of respondents in the Post-ABC poll said she is not “honest and trustworthy,” and 57 percent of those polled said they had an unfavorable view of her.

Yet these numbers help explain why Clinton is ahead in the race and could win by a large margin: Trump’s numbers are even worse.

A sizable 64 percent in the same poll said Trump is not honest or trustworthy, and an identical percentage said that he doesn’t have the temperament to be an effective president. A majority, 58 percent, said Trump is not qualified to be president, and 2 out of 3 respondents had an unfavorable view of the GOP nominee.

Trump is and has been a disaster as a presidential nominee, and that will not change in the campaign’s final days. Nor is there any reason to believe that voters from important demographic groups will warm to him. He continues to play only to his core supporters.

There is no surge among white voters for Trump — at least not enough to offset the Republican and swing voters he will lose.

The newest NBC-Wall Street Journal poll shows Trump doing worse against Clinton than Mitt Romney did against President Obama with almost every demographic group, including men, women, whites, Latinos, Republicans, voters with household incomes of more than $100,000 per year, voters with a college degree, voters with a postgraduate degree and voters 65 and older.

African Americans, white men without a college degree and younger voters are among the few groups with which Clinton is underperforming compared with Obama. But that should not give much comfort to Trump, who is drawing only 9 percent of African Americans, compared with the 6 percent that Romney drew against the first African American president.

It would be a mistake to call Trump’s current path to an electoral-college victory narrow. It is nonexistent. Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, once part of the Trump scenario, have never been “in play,” and he is not competitive in states Obama won only narrowly in 2012, such as Virginia and Colorado. Trump is more likely to lose North Carolina than win it, which would put him under 200 electoral votes.

Frankly, the writing has been on the wall for months about this race. You simply needed to look at the candidates, their campaign teams, the map and the voters.

The public’s mood certainly offered Trump an opportunity to make the election about Clinton and the president, and a serious Republican nominee could have taken advantage of the desire for change and Clinton’s baggage to win the race. But Donald Trump was always the worst messenger possible for delivering that message.

In one of my last columns for Roll Call, on May 10, I wrote that:

Given the makeup of the likely electorate, state voting patterns, the images of the candidates, the deeply fractured GOP and the early survey data, Clinton starts off with a decisive advantage in the contest. A blowout is possible.

Three months later, on Aug. 9, I reiterated that Trump was so poorly positioned for the fall campaign that he “needs a miracle to win.”

That conclusion was based both on the polls and on the reality that nominees who trail by double digits after the second national convention do not win presidential elections.

Now, with early voting already underway and only three weeks left until Election Day, the writing is on the wall. Clinton is headed for solid popular-vote and electoral-vote victories that are larger than Obama’s were over Romney.

While last-minute WikiLeaks releases could be embarrassing for Clinton, the battle lines of the 2016 presidential race are already set. Both the Post-ABC and NBC-Wall Street Journal polls show only a handful of voters still undecided in the race, and few committed voters are open to changing their minds.

Clinton’s lead could still widen or narrow a couple of points, depending on events. If her victory looks inevitable, some progressives may conclude that they can defect to Jill Stein without handing the White House to Trump. But the most important question is no longer whether Trump or Clinton will win but how large Clinton’s margin will be and whether she will have coattails.

Actually, those have been the most important questions for months.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-victory-non-existent/?tid=pm_politics_pop_b
 
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At one level, people need to sympathize with poor Bill for finding comfort in arms of women other than his wife.




Well, it was enough for Brexit. So who knows?

And here PC needs are much higher than it was for Brexit.

@KAL-EL @LA se Karachi I feel sorry for your bad choices :( Both candidates suck(though I liked HC till a few months back). DOn't worry,I'm sure either of them will last for 1 term only. Best of Luck in surviving them! :tup:

Frankly speaking this election is no normal election,otherwise Trump would never have won the nomination,forget becoming POTUS. But the world is changing(politically speaking);in the west nativism,anti-establishment feelings & anti-PCness is rising.

There is a lot which is similar between both these elections.(& the Colombian referendum+the Austrian presidential election.....)
& that's why I;m not focusing much on statistics & most polls(Even the LA times one).
There is a silent voter,he will come out in good nos. with the trump fanboys who have extraordinary enthu. behind them!

DO Read this link http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/trump-win-election-brexit-right-wing-214359

Especially these paras:-

Don’t underestimate the power of nativist populism. That’s the harsh lesson we in Britain learned less than four months ago, when Brexit blew up in our faces and confounded nearly every prediction. It’s one the Austrians and French are learning even now, as they keep counting out (then are forced to count back in) right-wing populist backlashes to the establishment. And it’s the lesson that American pundits who are already predicting a comfortable victory for Hillary Clinton over the embattled Donald Trump—if not a historic landslide—should take on board before they start relaxing too much in the next few weeks.

These assumptions continued to guide the national debate right up until the contest itself. In the prediction markets, throughout the final week of the campaign, the percentage chance that Remain would win did not fall below 75 percent. In the final days, seven polling companies issued their “final” polls, none of which forecast the eventual result. In three cases, the result was within the margin of error, though only one had put Brexit ahead, while the remaining four had overestimated support for Remain. Every single poll, noted the British Polling Council, even those within sampling error, had overstated support for Remain. Even on the day of the vote, three polls put Remain ahead, one by a striking 10 points.

The betting markets were just as confident; on the morning of the referendum, they put Remain’s chance of victory at 76 percent and, by the close of voting, at 86 percent. When you asked voters who they expected to win, it was the same story; in the final 24 hours of the campaign, only 27 percent expected Brexit to triumph. Those who sought to keep Britain in the EU, having recruited President Barack Obama to their cause, expressed relief. An anxious Prime Minister David Cameron was told to relax.

Almost everyone was proved wrong by the massive turnout of Brexit voters, who had been derided by established politicians as loons and racists and who were not expected to be organized, especially at the polling stations. “Leave” won 52 percent of the vote across the U.K., and nearly 54 percent in England. This figure rocketed higher in poorer industrial and rural communities that had been cut adrift by globalization and felt under threat from unprecedented levels of immigration—the analogue to many Trump voters today (as even Trump himself has suggested, tweeting that he would soon be known as “Mr. Brexit”). Support for Brexit reached striking levels among those same groups of voters who are now backing Trump—nearly 60 percent among voters on low incomes, over 70 percent among manual workers and 75 percent among people with no qualifications. In forgotten England, the anti-elite and anti-immigration message had spread like wildfire. The left behind mobilized in a big way.

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If Paul lepage(POlitico calls him America's craziest governor) could win the governorship of a blue state like Maine.. then Trump can become POTUS!
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/20...Q9v32V7VJPHxN4ZdiD3L/story.html?event=event25
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoints/paul-lepage-americas-craziest-governor


@Darmashkian "the silent voter phenomenon" is exactly what I was thinking of, but couldn't quite encapsulate the term into words at the time.

There is definitely political speculation here that Donald Trump has a large amount of that so-called silent voter phenomenon.

I still think it's all but over for him, but with this election going the way it has been, anything is still possible.
It's never over till the last day in electoral politics :)

There was an CM/Governor who was winning by a good margin. In the last few days,he said something which the people of his state found humiliating... & he lost heavily. I forget the names, but I do remember this happening..

I can see that you deleted some of your comments/questions, may I ask why?

Sorry, no offense, but I had saved your comments/questions.


I'm a little surprised that you will even ask a question like that, okay, here we go:

if you type, hillary is racist, 51,200,000 results will show, please check them out, you'll be surprise not only right wing but even well-known far left publications are alleging that Hillary is a racist.

Here's one for you from the Huffington Post:

How Can Black People Trust Hillary Clinton After the 2008 Campaign? Link


Here's another one for you, 84% of trumps supporters want her in the prison at 40% believe she is an “actual demon”

To say that this election cycle's presidential race is as polarized as any in modern history is perhaps an understatement: the PPP poll also found that 84 percent of Trump supporters believe Clinton should be in prison and—get this— 40 percent believe she is an actual “demon.” Link



Here's another result from Google, hillary will destroy America 3,260,000 results came up. Link

Just wondering, don't you read, New York Post, Infowars (Alex Jones), Breitbart News?

As I said my friend, the hatred is from both sides, this election is very polarized, and both candidates are very unpopular. Many of my friends cannot believe I'm supporting Hillary, they asked me, how can a an honest man like you support a “croak” like her, she should be in jail ,etc.

Sorry, I have to run now.


Did you break your 20 year record? :D
Will talk later to u on this,

The Indian-American community is voting for Clinton by a wide margin. Perhaps even more so than usual. They are already one of the most Democratic demographics in the nation. The ones that do vote Republican do so primarily for economic reasons (low taxes on the wealthy and fewer business regulations). But his anti-immigrant, nativist campaign and his inexperience in combination with his unstable personality has pushed many of them away.




Perhaps. But what's far more relevant is that it's one of the very few polls that actually show Trump in the lead. Almost all other polls show Hillary ahead, and that's a very bad sign for Trump. If the polls remain essentially the same come election day, it would be unprecedented for him to actually win.

I have no personal bias against the poll. I don't like Hillary at all, and live in the Los Angeles area.




Lol. That tells you everything you need to know about the way Trump is viewed here.




There are definitely some "silent voters" who support Trump, but polls typically pick them up. They have little to lose by telling a pollster that they are voting for him, even if they might not tell their family and friends.




I do think that polls are overstating her support somewhat. Primarily because of turn-out predictions. That's the big question. It was perhaps the biggest reason the two referendums you mentioned turned out the way that they did. The winning side was more motivated than the other, and many on the losing side assumed they would win and didn't turn out to actually vote.

In a battle of two intensely disliked candidates, Hillary can still win even though the public doesn't actually like her. Because she is somewhat less unpopular than Trump, she would likely win if everyone turned out to vote. But some won't because of the disdain that Americans have for both candidates, despite what some voters tell pollsters right now. Motivation matters.

This is the one thing that could save Trump. Hillary doesn't have much appeal to young voters, economically disadvantaged voters, or leftists who feel that Democrats (especially ones like Hillary) don't accomplish much when they are elected. These were voters who favored Sanders by wide margins in the primary. Hillary, on the other hand, was the "centrist" candidate. Despite this, however, Sanders trounced her among self-described independents and Republicans as well. His appeal to all voters was significantly broader than hers. Polls showed that he would have done a lot better than her in the general election.

The two groups that she did very well with were older voters (55+) and African-Americans. Some of the most reliable voters who are mostly set in their ways, with little chance of them voting for Trump. That was enough to win the low-turnout Democratic Primary. But the general election is a very different game. Low turnout among the less reliable voters that Sanders did very well with, and lower support from independents, could doom her. The only reason that she's winning is because she's running against Trump. Replace him with just about any other Republican (except perhaps Cruz), and she would lose. Her support among these groups remains fragile.




Tell me about it. I plan on leaving the field blank.
1)yep,I agree with what u said about Trump+a lot of the stuff said about him. But don't forget,millions of Americans love him :) :P & 40%+ of your people will definitely vote for him..
2)Silent voters do NOT tell their choice to the pollsters too(in most cases).That's why they are called silent,even in polling samples they tell not the truth. :) Most of them do NOT want anyone else to know that they support Trump(unless that person is a fellow silent trump supporter)
3)I too would leave the field blank if I lived in the USA(right now)
4)That wikileaks stuff has really hurt Hillary among many millenials and Bernie fans,period! But I doubt it could win trump voters
 
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everyone ready for the debate later ? :partay:

so far it's 1 - 1, Trump did well right at the start of the first one but faded later, more points on balance to her even though studies suggested that it's the first half an hour that really grips people, after which they tune out, lose interest, 2nd was a KO for Trump, he had the zingers, he had substance, and came of looking like he knew his shit.

He'll win this if he can hold his own, not goof up and stay on message. He does have a much saner approach to Russia and Syria etc, hope there is more debate and less mudslinging in this one.
 
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Don't have time right now, will be back later, but just want to say James o Keefe is a slimeball and any video he releases shouldn't be trusted.

Feel free to look him up on wiki.
If his videos "aren't to be trusted" then why do the people he exposes end up in big trouble? :lol:

The truth is a bitter pill to swallow.
 
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Nobody takes this failure as a president (not to mention creep) seriously :lol:

Maybe in the world you live in, but in reality he's taken very seriously, and Putin himself would call you a fool for not taking the President of the United States seriously.


Then again, you aren't in the position of responsibility that they are, so you can afford to not take him seriously.
 
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