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Interesting discussion, don't get triggered just because it's Jared Taylor and listen to the conversation.


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@LA se Karachi you too bro, have a listen if you have the time, good to know what the enemy is talking about, right ?




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Thanks. Although, just to be clear, I don't necessarily consider Trump to be the enemy. But these "alt-right" people are. It's unfortunate that he's given this small fringe-movement a place in politics, however small.
 
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Thanks. Although, just to be clear, I don't necessarily consider Trump to be the enemy. But these "alt-right" people are. It's unfortunate that he's given this small fringe-movement a place in politics, however small.
good to know, from what I understand of it, it's a very big umbrella with neo nazis etc being at the fringe of it, not front and centre.

I really like that the alt media, Alex Jones and Infowars in particular, now have serious credibility. The left used to love him when he went after Bush etc. He even had Gen Hamid Gul on a few times discussing Afghanistan and Bin Laden etc
 
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good to know, from what I understand of it, it's a very big umbrella with neo nazis etc being at the fringe of it, not front and centre.


White nationalists are at the forefront of it though, even if most of them aren't quite neo-Nazis.

I really like that the alt media, Alex Jones and Infowars in particular, now have serious credibility. The left used to love him when he went after Bush etc. He even had Gen Hamid Gul on a few times discussing Afghanistan and Bin Laden etc


They don't have much credibility at all. Most people still don't even know who they are. Though they do have a larger following now due to increased exposure.

Alex Jones is nothing more than a lunatic loudmouth. The left never liked him, it was always the "alt-right", conspiracy theorists, and isolationists that liked him the most. Not everyone who disliked Bush was a liberal, many were conservative.
 
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White nationalists are at the forefront of it though, even if most of them aren't quite neo-Nazis.
It was interesting how Jones and a few others, who are not white nationalists, took on the mantle after crooked hilary's speech on the alt right. I thought it was a good move and helped take away the spotlight from the lesser known fringe crazies like Spencer's NPI who are a nasty bunch.

Didn't stop CNN from trying though.


They don't have much credibility at all. Most people still don't even know who they are. Though they do have a larger following now due to increased exposure.

Alex Jones is nothing more than a lunatic loudmouth. The left never liked him, it was always the "alt-right", conspiracy theorists, and isolationists that liked him the most. Not everyone who disliked Bush was a liberal, many were conservative.
He's hit the big league now with Trump. :D

I've been watching him for a while, their coverage has improved a lot, not so much nwo illuminati fema camps and fluoride water conspiracies anymore, he's gone more mainstream current affairs and politics. He's ok, a little crazy at times, but definitely not racist in any way.
 
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It was interesting how Jones and a few others, who are not white nationalists, took on the mantle after crooked hilary's speech on the alt right. I thought it was a good move and helped take away the spotlight from the lesser known fringe crazies like Spencer's NPI who are a nasty bunch.


The "alt-right" is still dominated by people like Jared Taylor:


"Jared Taylor of American Renaissance addresses the 2015 American Renaissance conference. He proposes two ideas that could change the United States from a country that threatens white survival to one that promotes it: recognize race differences in ability and temperament, and accept the tribal nature of man. He warns that for only so long can a nation deny the obvious."

He's hit the big league now with Trump. :D

I've been watching him for a while, their coverage has improved a lot, not so much nwo illuminati fema camps and fluoride water conspiracies anymore, he's gone more mainstream current affairs and politics. He's ok, a little crazy at times, but definitely not racist in any way.


He's still crazy:



But no, I don't think he's truly racist. Though he does believe that white people are "victims":

 
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He's still crazy:
lol, he does put on a show sometimes, its part of the act, he's not crazy, watch a full show sometime.

But no, I don't think he's truly racist. Though he does believe that white people are "victims":
I'd like to watch the whole thing in context, not looped and edited clips. He's ok, and thanks to Trump winning, he's becoming mainstream, good stuff. :D

here's him in 2013:
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but, we're going offtopic, the authorities don't like that these days.
 
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lol, he does put on a show sometimes, its part of the act, he's not crazy, watch a full show sometime.


I've watched some before (even before this election cycle). He's a conspiracy theorist who holds some kooky beliefs.

I'd like to watch the whole thing in context, not looped and edited clips. He's ok, and thanks to Trump winning, he's becoming mainstream, good stuff. :D


It's not any better. He predictably refers to Bernie as a communist/socialist (he's not one) and makes it seem as if Bernie's economic platform was about welfare benefits, when it was obviously about income inequality.

He and his friend then go off on a bunch of conspiracy theories and tie in some completely unrelated issues:


but, we're going offtopic, the authorities don't like that these days.


Yes, somewhat. Let's agree to disagree on Alex Jones. ;)
 
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lol fallout in California :P


@LA se Karachi


I could post some videos of conservatives that are far worse. People have heated political/social conversations all the time. Not that these people represent the average Californian (they don't). The woman in particular seems a bit kooky. Even her friend tries to get her to leave. I assume they had all been drinking as well.

Try dressing up in traditional Muslim garb in some parts of the country (especially if you're a woman). See what happens.


We're really going off-topic now. :police:

and where did the pizzagate thread go ? :what:


It's "awaiting moderation". I suspect it'll get posted eventually.



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House G.O.P. Signals Break With Trump Over Tariff Threat

By JENNIFER STEINHAUER DEC. 5, 2016

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Representative Kevin McCarthy, Republican of California and the majority leader, indicated that he would not support a plan to tax companies that move jobs overseas. Credit Al Drago/The New York Times
WASHINGTON — House Republican leaders signaled on Monday that they would not support President-elect Donald J. Trump’s threat to impose a heavy tax on companies that move jobs overseas, the first significant confrontation over the conservative economic orthodoxy that Mr. Trump relishes trampling.

“I don’t want to get into some kind of trade war,” Representative Kevin McCarthy, Republican of California and majority leader, told reporters in response to Mr. Trump’s threats over the weekend to seek a 35 percent import tariff on goods sold by United States companies that move jobs overseas and displace American workers.

Speaker Paul D. Ryan also pushed back against Mr. Trump on Monday in an interview with a Wisconsin reporter, saying an overhaul of the corporate tax code would more effectively keep companies in the United States than tax penalties. “I think we can get at the goal here,” he said, “which is to keep American businesses American, build things in America and sell them overseas — that can be properly addressed with comprehensive tax reform.”

Mr. Trump’s economic positions clashed with traditional conservatives during the campaign, but now these differences — on trade, government spending on infrastructure, and tax policies — have set the incoming president on a perilous course with the lawmakers whose support he needs to keep his agenda on track.

“There will be a tax on our soon to be strong border of 35 percent for these companies wanting to sell their product, cars, A.C. units etc., back across the border,” Mr. Trump said in a series of Twitter messages over the weekend.

The response from Republican leaders underscored the limits of legislating 140 characters at a time on Twitter, and gave Democrats cause to believe they can work with Mr. Trump to outmaneuver congressional Republicans next year.

“The president-elect won in part by campaigning against the Republican establishment on many economic issues,” said Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the incoming Democratic leader. “If he wants to get something done for working families in this country, he’ll have to stand up to them when it comes time to govern, too.”

Mr. Trump first startled Republicans during the campaign when he attacked trade deals, putting himself more in line with Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont than Mr. Ryan.

He repeatedly insisted that trade deals had displaced American workers and harmed the economy, upending two centuries of American economic policies that held trade up as a good thing, a position that Republicans have pushed in recent decades.

His positions helped imperil President Obama’s trade pact with Asian nations, the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and abruptly stop further trade negotiations, which many experts in both parties believe limits the United States in its economic position against China, especially when paired with tariff threats.

“I respect President-elect Trump for fulfilling his campaign promise to withdraw from T.P.P.,” Representative Kevin Brady, Republican of Texas and chairman of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee, said shortly after the election. “We can’t abandon these markets to China and other competitors, because American businesses and customers will lose out,” he added.

Mr. Trump made Republicans bend to his will — and against their long-held opposition to picking “winners and losers” in the economy — even before his inauguration when he announced last month that the Indiana-based air-conditioning manufacturer Carrier would keep roughly 1,000 jobs in the state rather than moving them to Mexico, thanks to $7 million in tax incentives negotiated by Vice President-elect Mike Pence, the current governor of Indiana.

This is the sort of package Republicans have traditionally loathed. The once intensely conservative Mr. Pence channeled the views of Mr. Sanders when he explained the Carrier deal by saying, “The free market has been sorting it out, and America’s been losing.”

Mr. Ryan and many other fiscal conservatives appeared to agree. “Everyone here knows what it means to lose jobs in their districts,” said Representative Tom Cole, Republican of Oklahoma. “If Trump can keep a thousand families from going through such an ordeal, then good for him. And if it makes other companies think twice about the human consequences of their business decisions, so much the better.”

But big tariffs appear too much to abide. Both Mr. Ryan and Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky and the majority leader, supported a bill that gave Mr. Obama and his successor special “fast track” authority to negotiate trade agreements, and are proponents of reducing tariff barriers.

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Speaker Paul D. Ryan has also pushed back against President-elect Donald J. Trump’s tariff idea. Credit Al Drago/The New York Times

“Tax cuts and deregulation will make the American economy great again, but tariffs and trade wars will make it tank again,” David McIntosh, president of the conservative group Club for Growth, said in a statement, adding, “The majority leader is right to caution against protectionism and to urge a robust debate on free markets and trade.”

House leaders want to tackle the problem of companies’ moving operations overseas with a broad rewriting of the corporate tax code, which they say will make American manufacturing more competitive without resorting to punitive measures on individual companies.

“Tough talk plays well with his base and is arguably even long overdue,” said Brian Walsh, a Republican consultant and former official at the National Republican Senatorial Committee. “But ultimately, the legislative focus will be on tax reform and deregulation versus tariffs and trade wars. I don’t believe Republicans will let a golden opportunity to finally pass comprehensive tax reform fall victim to intraparty squabbling.”

Republicans also fought mightily this week to remove a provision from a water bill favored by Democrats — and aligned with Mr. Trump’s campaign promises — that would require the use of American-made iron and steel for domestic water infrastructure projects. They said they feared the measure would direct federal funding to some domestic companies but not others.

Mr. Trump has long been a proponent of propping up the American steel industry, even though he has used imported steel for some of his building projects.

Next on the horizon could be a Medicare fight. Mr. Trump said during his campaign that threats to change the program caused his party to lose its bid for the White House in 2012, name-checking Mr. Ryan in his swipe.

Mr. Trump and Mr. Ryan are in patch-up mode at present, but how much that holds up remains to be seen.

Mr. Ryan has a proposal to transform the Medicaid program into a block grant and change the Medicare program so that Americans now under 55 would get a specified amount of money from the federal government toward the premium for private health coverage.

Mr. Trump has been inconsistent on the Medicare issue, and his choice for secretary of health and human services, Representative Tom Price, shares Mr. Ryan’s views.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/u...ackage-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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And so it begins...
 
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I could post some videos of conservatives that are far worse. People have heated political conversations all the time. Try dressing up in traditional Muslim garb in some parts of the country (especially if you're a woman). See what happens.


We're really going off-topic now. :police:
True, I've seen some of those too, this one just went viral. Posted a thread on some lady cop who was harassed in NY, do you think there is post Trump spike in these incidents or it's just everyday* hate crimes which are getting more attention now ?

*300 million plus, I'm sure a bunch of people act retarded on a daily basis.

not that off-topic, the new forum authority is learning on the job just like Mr Trump will. :P
 
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True, I've seen some of those too, this one just went viral. Posted a thread on some lady cop who was harassed in NY, do you think there is post Trump spike in these incidents or it's just everyday* hate crimes which are getting more attention now ?


A bit of both. Hate crimes have risen in the past year. However, it wasn't an extreme increase. Not yet, anyway. But we'll see have to wait and see what happens after Trump takes office and there's a social flare-up or terrorist attack.

*300 million plus, I'm sure a bunch of people act retarded on a daily basis.


Very true. These craizies don't speak for most of us.

not that off-topic


Not anymore. ;)

the new forum authority is learning on the job just like Mr Trump will. :P


I like the job she's doing so far. I have a lot of faith in her. Trump, not so much... :D
 
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Looks like he's expanding his search for secretary of state, that's the next really big one.

http://www.businessinsider.in/Trump...keeps-getting-bigger/articleshow/55821696.cms

enter Mr. Exxon CEO
http://www.wsj.com/articles/exxon-c...r-donald-trumps-secretary-of-state-1480878402

scary ? Trump spoke a lot about taking people's oil, Libyan oil in particular. "we'll put our great companies to work, they'll build the infra in no time... my advisors tell me Libyan oil is the best, just 2 feet below ground, its clean and beautiful" - paraphrasing, but he said something of the sort.

secrets leaker disgraced General Petraeus
http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/12/05/david-petraeus-would-be-a-great-secretary-of-state/

no way, not after he went after crooked h the way he did.

neoconman John Bolton
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...tate-john-bolton-would-be-the-anti-john-kerry

and Romney, who everyone around him, and the people who voted for him, loathe. Trump might be toying around him just for lulz though, wouldn't put it past him. :P

a somewhat dubious list of swamp creatures so far, don't know what to make of it. Rand Paul would be amazing but he's not in reckoning.
 
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yes that was the one, I saw it pop up on the livebox and clicked to find it missing.

also, way too many Trump stories lately, and they're not going to stop, we should get a Trump transition or President elect Trump sticky going for stuff like that tweet and other stuff. An American member should start one, anything fairly titled, just not like peacefan's fear mongering title.

Until Jan 20 when we can get a President Trump thread, man, feels good to say that.. :D


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This man is going to be Trump's national security adviser. :rolleyes:


Flynn under fire for fake news

A shooting at a D.C. pizza restaurant is stoking criticism of the conspiracy theories being spread by Donald Trump’s pick for national security adviser.


By BRYAN BENDER and ANDREW HANNA
12/05/16


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Michael Flynn has used social media to promote a series of outrageous conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton, President Barack Obama and their inner circles in recent months. | Getty

As Donald Trump’s national security adviser, retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn will have to advise the president of the veracity of foreign and domestic threats, separating those that require immediate policy action from propaganda or misinformation.

But Flynn himself has used social media to promote a series of outrageous conspiracy theories about Hillary Clinton, President Barack Obama and their inner circles in recent months — pushing dubious factoids at least 16 times since Aug. 9, according to a POLITICO review of his Twitter posts. Flynn, who has 106,000 Twitter followers, has used the platform to retweet accusations that Clinton is involved with child sex trafficking and has "secretly waged war” on the Catholic Church, as well as charges that Obama is a “jihadi”who “laundered” money for Muslim terrorists.

Now some say Flynn’s fondness for spreading fake news casts doubt on his fitness to serve as the White House’s national security adviser, suggesting that he either can’t spot a blatant falsehood or is just ideologically bent to believe the worst of his perceived enemies.

The flak began flying anew after Sunday’s shootingat a Washington pizza restaurant that had been targeted by false, internet-fed rumors accusing it of being the epicenter of a satanic child-trafficking conspiracy involving Clinton and her allies. Flynn had twice used Twitter to promote similar, only slightly less outrageous hoaxes in the past month, including a claim that Clinton’s campaign manager takes part in occult rituals in which bodily fluids are consumed.
Those were far from isolated tweets for Flynn, the former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency.

In the vast majority of instances in the past four months, he was passing along other people’s conspiratorial tweets instead of casting them in his own voice. In one example, he retweeted a post about a Fox News story claiming that the Army had identified Clinton as an “insider threat.” Another time, he reposted a tweet by someone named “Eagle Wings” about an alleged United Nations one-world-government plot called Agenda 21.

Trump himself has faced criticism for his use of social media to spread misinformation, including his evidence-free claim that “millions of people” had voted illegally in the Nov. 8 election. But this kind of rumor-mongering is especially beyond the pale for someone who will have the next president’s ear, said former State Department policy adviser Peter Singer, one of many people who publicly lambasted Flynn after Sunday's shooting.

"We are not talking about policy toward China or Russia," Singer, now a national security strategist at the think tank New America, said in an interview Monday. "We are talking about some of the most bizarre conspiracy theories out there. We are down the rabbit hole. How can you take him seriously when he is discussing people in D.C. drinking human blood? It is exasperating.”

Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said late Monday that while nobody was injured in the shooting, the conspiracy theories spread on social media had "come close to having deadly results."

“It is incumbent on Trump, his nominee for national security adviser, Gen. Flynn, and his entire team to disavow these falsehoods and conspiracy theories," Schiff said in a statement. "They will soon have a country to run, and God help us if they conduct the nation's affairs like their transition — without the willingness or ability to separate fact from fiction.”

Singer and others stressed that the position of national security adviser, which does not require Senate confirmation, "is one of, if not the, most important national security roles."

"It is a role that has been occupied by a history of thoughtful and sober thinkers, whether you are right or left," he said.


The adviser serves as the primary counselor to the president on defense and foreign matters, running a 400-person staff in the White House that acts as the filter for the Pentagon, the State Department and intelligence and other security agencies, as well as the implementer of the president's policy. Well-known individuals who have held the post include Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Even one of Flynn’s former military colleagues expressed puzzlement Monday at the dark turn his pronouncements on social media have taken.

"That is not typically the behavior of someone who needs the necessary sobriety to advise the president on the most critical matters facing the nation," said the former military official, who worked with Flynn every day for more than a year in Afghanistan.

"This is not the Mike Flynn I once knew," added the former military official, who asked not to be identified because he currently holds a government position. "While he was given to reacting on a gut, rather than fact, this represents a departure from the intellectual rigor he demanded of those around him."

Flynn did not respond to several requests to be interviewed for this story. The Trump transition office also did not respond to requests for comment.

But Graham Plaster, a retired Navy officer and one of Flynn's acolytes in military intelligence, defended the general's social media habits, contending that sharing false information doesn't necessarily mean he believes it.

"Anything that gets retweeted or shared is done casually," he said in an interview. "Anyone who assumed more than that is walking on ice. Twitter is a different context than reading a speech and in some cases things are taken out of context based on how limited the character count is. There is no opportunity to explain yourself."

Still, calls grew on Monday for Trump to rethink his choice following the shooting at Comet Ping Pong, a family eatery and concert space that has been the center of the child sex ring hysteria. The restaurant's owner, James Alefantis, is a former romantic partner of pro-Clinton political activist David Brock, a longtime lightning rod for the right, according to The New York Times.

"While deserving respect for the time he has served our country in uniform, we feel General Flynn is unfit for serving in this critical post,” a collection of 53 organizations representing Muslim and other religious and human rights group wrote to Trump on Monday. “His appointment will damage America’s standing in the world and pose a threat to our national security."

While not referring specifically to the pizza conspiracy theory, the groups asserted that “General Flynn has repeatedly made Islamophobic statements and peddled anti-Muslim conspiracy theories,” including his much-noted comment early this year that “Fear of Muslims is RATIONAL.” The groups also pointed to a “blatantly anti-Semitic tweet” that Flynn apologized for in July, after he retweeted a post critical of CNN that included the words: “Not anymore, Jews.”


The Obama White House took a swipe Monday at the traffic in conspiracy theories, without referring to Flynn by name.

"We all hold a responsibility, regardless of whether or not we are planning to serve in a government position or if one of our family members is planning to serve in a government position, that we shouldn't be propagating false things that could inspire violence," press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters when asked about the incident at the pizza restaurant. "There's probably some overlap with the golden rule there, I think somewhere, that may be worth considering."

Flynn didn't specifically promote the Comet Ping Pong rumors on Twitter, although he promoted related conspiracy theories that were nearly as lurid.

In one tweet Nov. 2, Flynn promoted a "MUST READ!" post from a website called True Pundit alleging that emails found on a laptop owned by former Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.) — the husband of top Clinton aide Huma Abedin — contained enough evidence "to put Hillary [Clinton] and her crew away for life” for crimes including "child exploitation" and "sex crimes with minors."

"U decide," Flynn wrote. But no such emails have ever surfaced.


Two days later, Flynn posed a tweet containing the hashtag "#spiritcooking," a reference to a bizarre rumor alleging that Clinton's campaign manager, John Podesta, took part in occult rituals in which people consume blood and other bodily fluids. That rumor, based on a wild reading of some Podesta emails that had been released by WikiLeaks, also took off on websites such as the Drudge Report and InfoWars, run by Trump-supporting conspiracy theorist Alex Jones.


The "#spiritcooking" rumor soon morphed into the "#pizzagate" conspiracy theory involving Comet Ping Pong, which alleges that virtually the entire D.C. establishment — including the Clintons, Obama, law enforcement and the media — is involved with or covering up a satanic plot to traffic in, sexually abuse and murder children. The debunked allegations have led to death threats and harassment against the restaurant and others associated with Comet, including owners of neighboring businesses and indie musicians who play concerts in the pizzeria’s back room.

While Flynn never promoted the pizza rumors himself, his son Michael Flynn Jr. has done so directly, including Sunday night.

"Until #Pizzagate proven to be false, it'll remain a story," tweeted the younger Flynn, who has been working for his father's international consulting firm. "The left seems to forget #PodestaEmails and the many 'coincidences' tied to it."

While the Flynns are in the fake-news spotlight now, one author on the topic says the influence of conspiracy series in U.S. politics dates back to the American Revolution.

"We have had many leaders in American history that have been conspiratorial in their thinking," said Joseph Uscinski, author of "American Conspiracy Theories" and a political science professor at the University Miami. "But we just don't know about it because they didn't have Twitter accounts."

Nonetheless, he said the trend can go too far, especially given Trump's own track record.

"If you have a conspiracy theorist in the White House, you probably don't need any more in the inner circle," Uscinski said.


The former military officer who knows Flynn well suggested that his former boss may have a proclivity for misinformation because of his long career in secret intelligence. "He also fancies himself as someone who is skilled as manipulation of actual fact in order to affect movement downstream," the ex-officer said, recalling that the U.S. military strategy in Afghanistan included spreading false information through the media to see how it might affect the enemy.

"If this is another example of his willingness to manipulate information in order to have a specific end goal it would not be a complete departure, I suppose," the former officer said.

What is most disconcerting to some is the influence Flynn will soon have in the White House.

The national security adviser "is the nexus where all the tools of foreign and national security policy come together," said David Rothkopf, editor of Foreign Policy magazine and author of "Running the World: The Inside Story of the National Security Council and the Architects of American Power."

"This is the least experienced president in American history," Rothkopf added. "That means that his advisers are more important than they have ever been. Getting balanced advice to the president is more important than ever."

Bob King contributed to this report. Link
 
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