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US, Pakistan need to establish each other’s limitations

* Lisa Curtis says Pakistan should understand unilateral peace deals are counterproductive
* Pentagon’s Col Smith says Washington feels agreements with insurgents must be enforceable​

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: While the United States should accept the fact that Pakistan’s fight against terrorism is going to be long-term, Pakistan should also shift its India-centric defence policy to one that is geared towards grappling with the rise of the Taliban and other radical forces on its northwestern border, a panel discussion at the Heritage Foundation was told on Tuesday.

This was stated by Lisa Curtis, who moderated a discussion on the rise of insurgency and radicalism in Pakistan and the resurgence of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the country’s tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. The other two who took part in the discussion were Shuja Nawaz, author of a recent book on the Pakistan Army and Col (r) David Smith of the Pentagon, who served as the US military attaché in Islamabad in the 1990s.

Curtis stressed that strong military ties between the US and Pakistan are crucial but the current relationship between the two countries is proving highly frustrating for both. At times, they appear to be moving in opposite directions. She said it would be incorrect to blame the recently elected civilian government for the unrest in the country’s Afghan border.

Peace deals:

The peace deals now being concluded are an extension of deals entered into earlier. The US does not object to peace deals as such, as long as they are not unilateral. Pakistan, she said, has no clear strategy but it should understand that unilateral peace deals are counterproductive. The US on its part should realise that military strikes alone will not produce a solution to the problem of terrorism.

Col Smith spoke about the “rocky history” of US-Pakistan relations with their “dizzying highs and lows”. The challenge today, he said, was the sustenance of that bilateral relationship. He said there is a “trust deficit” between the two countries. When the US asks Pakistan to “do more”, Pakistan sees that as Washington’s failure to appreciate all that it has so far done in the war on terrorism, including the loss of 1,000 of its fighting men. However, Pakistan can and must do more because the US cannot allow Al Qaeda to regroup in areas that are part of Pakistan.

Agreements:

Washington, Smith said, is not against peace agreements Pakistan has been trying to make with insurgents but it feels strongly, among other things, that such agreements must be enforceable, ensure the ouster of foreign elements, not involve the withdrawal of the Pakistan army from the FATA areas, and guarantee that there are no cross-border attacks into Afghanistan from Pakistan. The US, for its part, must not place conditions on the assistance it renders to Pakistan, since such conditions are a reminder to Pakistan of such past restrictions as the Pressler amendment.

Influence:

Nawaz told the meeting that US-Pakistan relations are riddled with paradoxes. Right now, they are on a downward slope and unless steps are taken to arrest this slide, they are “headed for a train wreck”. The US by its support of military regimes in Pakistan has been viewed as wedded to a single-item agenda, something that needs to change now that a civilian government is in office. Pakistan lives in a tough neighbourhood and while no war is likely with India in the near short term, Washington should use its influence to persuade New Delhi to remove long-term irritants, such as the unresolved issue of Kashmir, in its relationship with Pakistan. He said one can only hope that in its twilight months, the Bush administration will not launch a military strike against Iran, because if that happens, the streets of Pakistan will be awash with protest. Such a strike will also convince the Pakistani people that the US is intent on subjugating Islamic countries in order to control the world’s oil resources. Nawaz told the meeting that not all attacks inside Afghanistan emanate from Pakistan-controlled areas, as is alleged. However, Pakistan must also end its ambivalence in relation to radical groups. If the army has any relationship with such groups, it must be severed. He also rejected a claim as utterly without basis that was recently made by the western media’s favourite Afghanistan expert, Ahmed Rashid, who said that the Pakistan army is withdrawing from the border with Afghanistan and being deployed on the eastern border against India. Nawaz said that at least three divisions of the Pakistan Army, besides the Frontier Constabulary (FC) remain deployed in the area. The Pakistan Army, he said, is a conventional army, which is not trained to fight insurgencies. The US should provide the training and equipment Pakistan needs to accomplish that arduous task.

During question hour, it was asked if it was fair on the part of Afghanistan and the US to accuse Pakistan of “cross-border terrorism”, when Kabul refuses to recognise the Durand Line as the international border. The panellists also agreed that the history of Afghanistan and Pakistan’s tribal regions showed that foreign presence, especially the presence of foreign troops, has always been resolutely resisted by the people of this region.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
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Pakistan must this and that... Well, I hear no critical remarks about clown Karzai. He failed o do anything except blaiming Pakistan. The fact is that US should not force other nations to kill its citizens like they do in Afghanistan, Irac, Viatnam etc etc. If we can make a peacedeal then support it. Killing the entire population cause someone else crashed two buildings is nothing else then warcrime. You can do a lot in the name of terror of showing Guantanomo or mass killings with so calles real terrorists while it was a weddingparty isn't going to get you a victory.

The US invade Irac without a decent plan to rebuild. They lied about WMD. Now they fail in Afghanistan and it is all about Pakistani... How come?
 
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It matters not what people think.

It matters what Bush thinks.

And more than that Cheney on whose policies of Energy and Defence the whole subchiz rests!!

He is the American equivalent of Rasputin! :)
 
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It matters not what people think.

It matters what Bush thinks.

And more than that Cheney on whose policies of Energy and Defence the whole subchiz rests!!

He is the American equivalent of Rasputin! :)

Gone in six months, as were the hopes of deploying more troops before the next president takes over.

Almost 500 billion budget deficit, predicted to only increase in the next few years - slow growth, increased spending, tax cuts (2.8 trillion Obama - over ten years, 4.2 trillion McCain - ten years).

Attack Pakistani territory without explicit or implicit GoP/military approval?

Tantamount to declaring war.

More carrots and 'pressure', bar another 911 happening - all bets are off then.
 
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Gone in six months, as were the hopes of deploying more troops before the next president takes over.

Almost 500 billion budget deficit, predicted to only increase in the next few years - slow growth, increased spending, tax cuts (2.8 trillion Obama - over ten years, 4.2 trillion McCain - ten years).

Attack Pakistani territory without explicit or implicit GoP/military approval?

Tantamount to declaring war.

More carrots and 'pressure', bar another 911 happening - all bets are off then.

Remember the line - men may come and men may go, but I go on forever - from The Brook by Alfred, Lord Tennyson?

The President may change, but the US policies will go on forever, with a slight tweak here and a slight tweak there. The essence will remain!

I am sure you have heard both McCain and Obama on Afghanistan.

Another 9/11 and the US will be a bull in a china shop - Paksitan!
 
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Remember the line - men may come and men may go, but I go on forever - from The Brook by Alfred, Lord Tennyson?

The President may change, but the US policies will go on forever, with a slight tweak here and a slight tweak there. The essence will remain!

I am sure you have heard both McCain and Obama on Afghanistan.

Another 9/11 and the US will be a bull in a china shop - Paksitan!

Ray,

I was responding specifically to your comment about Cheney.

Policies may indeed continue, though policies too are subject to changing conditions, and continuity of 'blood and glory campaigns' is not possible if unemployment and economic struggles rage at home.

McCain and Obama can surge all they like - that is in fact what Pakistan has been demanding they do - "do more on your own side". The rot in the Mayor of Kabul's administration, and how that rot fuels the violence in Afghanistan and FAT, keeps being exposed in article after article.

Another 911 will bring us back to 2001 - with us or against us - pragmatic decisions ensue ... ;)
 
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How can one establish limitations with US. US acts first and then thinks what it has done. In a mind set like this it is not feasible to establish limitations. It is like talking to a deff. In the end he is going to do what pleases him. All your talking fell on his deaf ears.
 
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Another 9/11 and the US will be a bull in a china shop - Paksitan!

Yep they will come and bomb the tribal areas to oblivion then what? Do you think that suddenly the Pakhtuns will shy away from Afghanistan and settle down or the problem of militancy will end just because of the US shock and awe?
 
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Some Clarity is required - some say they don't hear anything critical about Karzai --- to begin with Why is the US in Afghanistan? What does the US being in Afghanistan have to do with Pakistan?

Now some may think that the US is in Afghanistan for the sake of afghanistan or to fight AQ and Intl terrorism and GWOT -- The ONLY reason US is in Afghanistan is to deal with Pakistan, it's just the way it is. If tomorrow Afghanistan were completely peaceful, no Afghan had any emnity towards the other, do you think the US would leave?? NOW WHAT?

Now US assets or those whose hostility towards the Pakistan armed forces and state prevents them from thinking in the interests of Pakistan or to be even handed, these are persons who have a different view of what Pakistan ought to be, will deliver Pakistan to the US.

The vehicle to deliver Pakistan is of course GWOT, Mr. Masood, Bramdagh and others have interests that intersect with these Objectives, make no mistake on that count.
 
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The surest way to establish limitations against any one & any thing is to be strong & sure of yourself.

So long as we :

1.Keep squabbling over issues which will never go the way one of us wants it,
2.Do not accept realities on the ground.
3.Are weak economically.
4.Trust others before our neighbors.
5.Look for others to solve problems which we can & should solve amongst our selves.
6.Do not present a common front to the world for our issues & problems are common.
7 Maintain the atmosphere of complete distrust .
8.Gloat over the trouble / misery our neighbor goes thru.
9.Conspire to harm each other... the list is endless

None of us will be able to establish our own selves, establishing limitations on others will forever be out of the Q.

How can we act if we all we do is react ?
 
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What are "red lines" as far as Pakistan are concerned? What is it that is simply no tacceptable to them?
 
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Ray,

I was responding specifically to your comment about Cheney.

Policies may indeed continue, though policies too are subject to changing conditions, and continuity of 'blood and glory campaigns' is not possible if unemployment and economic struggles rage at home.

McCain and Obama can surge all they like - that is in fact what Pakistan has been demanding they do - "do more on your own side". The rot in the Mayor of Kabul's administration, and how that rot fuels the violence in Afghanistan and FAT, keeps being exposed in article after article.

Another 911 will bring us back to 2001 - with us or against us - pragmatic decisions ensue ... ;)


Between you and me Bush is just a front.

Cheney is the brain!

Read the DPG and the NEP, when he was the Secretary of Defnece and you will realise.

The man scares me!

As far as you are concerned and if you want a solution reconcile with the Mayor and his overlords or else things can get worse.

Your govts will always be pliant. They have no options.

Your awam will be charged with Islam.

You live in a tinder box!
 
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Yep they will come and bomb the tribal areas to oblivion then what? Do you think that suddenly the Pakhtuns will shy away from Afghanistan and settle down or the problem of militancy will end just because of the US shock and awe?

Not oblivion.

Just a gentle reminder that the US is uber alles and it is wiser to listen to them!

You have any other ideas?

Do you think that the US will leave Afghanistan and Iraq for the picking after so much of effort/

If so, you underestimate the Americans!

They may appear soft, but when the chips are down, they are as good as anyone!
 
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Not oblivion.

Just a gentle reminder that the US is uber alles and it is wiser to listen to them!

You have any other ideas?

Do you think that the US will leave Afghanistan and Iraq for the picking after so much of effort/

If so, you underestimate the Americans!

They may appear soft, but when the chips are down, they are as good as anyone!

It is not 'wise to listen to them', their policy prescriptions aren't much more than 'bomb into submission' - an appearance of 'listening', and occasionally acting, is indeed pragmatic.

As to a 'better idea', what the military is attempting in FATA is the 'better idea'. Since ideology cannot be destroyed, it must be molded to suit our aims, and eventually conform to the mainstream.

Pakistan's concerns stem from possible US 'invasions' of FATA - the occasional air strikes are a necessary annoyance (part of the occasional show of having 'listened to the US') and followed by rapid condemnation ensure that the majority of the opinion in Pakistan and FATA remains focused on the US and its 'nefarious intentions'.

It works out to Pakistan's advantage in that respect.

Any serious ground invasion to achieve any sort of tangible results in FATA and Afghanistan cannot take place without a massive redeployment from Iraq to Afghanistan - yet as you said the US does not want to abandon either.

The status quo will continue, and Pakistan will hopefully have time to marginalize the more virulent anti-state Taliban/AQ groups in FATA.
 
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Not oblivion.

Just a gentle reminder that the US is uber alles and it is wiser to listen to them!

You have any other ideas?

Do you think that the US will leave Afghanistan and Iraq for the picking after so much of effort/

If so, you underestimate the Americans!

They may appear soft, but when the chips are down, they are as good as anyone!

I do not underestimate the Americans...have worked with many and befriended more, and I do not think that they are soft and can take and give just as good as any others. However there is a cost associated with staying in Afghanistan which may not be worth it in the long run to pay....the issue in Afghanistan is becoming less and less of the AQ and more of Pakhtuns feeling alienated and sidelined.

Americans will not leave Iraq because there are other issues to safeguard...Afghanistan's challenges are different and aside from a security consideration, not as strategically important as those of Iraq. While I am not suggesting that Americans will leave Afghanistan and the Tribal areas in its current form, eventually some understanding will be reached allowing the Pakhtun tribes scattered across Pakistan and Afghanistan to assert themselves better in Afghanistan. There simply is no other option. For any US President, that would be the win...forget about eliminating tribals in FATA or winning them over through reform in the next 10 years. Its a much bigger task that requires a lot of long term effort (mostly economic and social).
 
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