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US offers India the Aegis Combat System, the world’s most advanced shipboard weapons

I am amazed to hear words on democracy from a Chinese.So who do you think is ready for democracy?? China?? if yes, then I think you know my next question...:oops:

Another thing, democracy is just a system of government, its not a tangible achievement unless the whole population demand it. People generally do not care about democracy unless the more basic needs are met. These basic need are well known and IMO, the majorities of Indians have not met these basic needs. So democracy is a choice force upon by the ruling class, not the desire of the mass.
 
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Another thing, democracy is just a system of government, its not a tangible achievement unless the whole population demand it. People generally do not care about democracy unless the more basic needs are met. These basic need are well known and IMO, the majorities of Indians have not met these basic needs. So democracy is a choice force upon by the ruling class, not the desire of the mass.

You wrong there brother, democracy is the ultimate system where the people decide who rules. When properly executed democracy is fair and steady and offer stability to a country. Basic human rights such as freedom of speech, religion, gender etc etc are all the tenants of democracy. People do care about it, imagine having all the money but no freedom to do anything. Again please refrain from India bashing comments as they are nothing but stupid.
 
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Back on topic,

There are some systems which have shown successful integration of Aegis/ SM-2 on a comparatively small platform...

1) F-100 (spain) (link: F100 Alvaro de Bazan Multi-Purpose Frigate - Naval Technology)


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video with SM-2 launch:

2) De Zeven Provinciën-class (dutch) Note: Uses APAR

3) F124 Sachsen class (Germany) Note: Uses APAR


copyright: line diagrams: www.Shipbucket.com
 
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Aegis is good no doubt about that but thank you Uncle Sam, we don't need it. Barak-8 + MF-STAR is more than enough for India. India will get herown Aegis type system onboard P-15A developed by BEL, though no name was given. If we face Chinese AShBM than our AAD is enough. No point to waste money.

When ever we are close to development of something new by ourself, Uncle suddenly offer same category products to us!! :sniper::usflag:
 
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Aegis is good no doubt about that but thank you Uncle Sam, we don't need it. Barak-8 + MF-STAR is more than enough for India. India will get herown Aegis type system onboard P-15A developed by BEL, though no name was given. If we face Chinese AShBM than our AAD is enough. No point to waste money.

When ever we are close to development of something new by ourself, Uncle suddenly offer same category products to us!! :sniper::usflag:

This to me is a benchmark which states that our defence industry is growing and is coming up with some good products....In fact it also put lot of pressure on our industry to come up with better products(since they end up competing against state of art weapons)....moreover increases our options to choose the best as per our needs...:smitten:
 
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This to me is a benchmark which states that our defence industry is growing and is coming up with some good products....In fact it also put lot of pressure on our industry to come up with better products(since they end up competing against state of art weapons)....moreover increases our options to choose the best as per our needs...:smitten:

But "Kinetic" is right uncle sam sees its profit only and this can kill our capabilities of future development as we don't have endless money to spend on both purchase and development.

also why forget that the netas and babus always prefers foreign made goods because of kickbacks they will derail, slow down the indigenous development. Like Arjun etc.
 
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is it sure u.s will provide the compltete aegis system or some downgraded tech,as this is the tech that even some of the allies of u.s even dont have

dont be it better if we stick only with barack system
 
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is it sure u.s will provide the compltete aegis system or some downgraded tech,as this is the tech that even some of the allies of u.s even dont have

dont be it better if we stick only with barack system

That is if the Barak is better than the "downgraded Aegis" right!!

Aegis is just another candy. US has been trying hard to lobby products to the armed forces and have shown pretty good sales records. I think we should expect them to win big deals in india for multitude of reasons!

I have no idea why we all talk about "downgraded technology"! As long as the technology is what Indian armed forces want and is not available from any other source, it shouldn't matter if it is downgraded (or not!!!)
 
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That is if the Barak is better than the "downgraded Aegis" right!!

Aegis is just another candy. US has been trying hard to lobby products to the armed forces and have shown pretty good sales records. I think we should expect them to win big deals in india for multitude of reasons!

I have no idea why we all talk about "downgraded technology"! As long as the technology is what Indian armed forces want and is not available from any other source, it shouldn't matter if it is downgraded (or not!!!)

no i just mean that if we have access to much better tech,as a lot of guys here belive that barack system is better than aegis(again downgraded),and also their is chance that this system will come with some strings attached
 
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no i just mean that if we have access to much better tech,as a lot of guys here belive that barack system is better than aegis(again downgraded),and also their is chance that this system will come with some strings attached

It is not clear whether Barak-8 will be better than Aegis or no. But I guess none think that Barak system is better than Aegis as of now.

What we are saying is...

1) Through Aegis US will be able to know what we are doing with our naval assets. It will be a the biggest spy of the US in our defence forces. Uncle is famous for spying on everyone.
2) Barak-8 MRSAM is Indian/israeli system which is developed to meet IN's need.
3) Barak: Money back to the govt.
 
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Never seen moderators :frown:so inactive. These posters are full of anti India thought. Anyway its Pakistan's fourm so we should not complain about that.

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Mrityunjay Rai
 
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Never seen moderators :frown:so inactive. These posters are full of anti India thought. Anyway its Pakistan's fourm so we should not complain about that.

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Mrityunjay Rai


These are not anti India at all as it is the reality of Pakistan and China also.

And these post of his are making fun of some poor people which is disgusting and inhuman.
 
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These are not anti India at all as it is the reality of Pakistan and China also.

And these post of his are making fun of some poor people which is disgusting and inhuman.

Going offtopic for a bit but I believe it is completely Anti-India. There are saner ways of saying the same thing that is being said here by derailing the entire thread (which btw makes it anti-india). You can always go in "Current events and social issues" threads and talk about all of this there. However, some people who seem to think they are superhuman decide to derail perfectly normal threads which if you ask me borders cyber attack! :angry: :disagree: :confused:

Coming back to the topic :rolleyes:

The first report of proposed Aegis for india came out in 2005. Here is the link:

Bush Officials Defend India Nuclear Deal - washingtonpost.com

Bush Officials Defend India Nuclear Deal
Aim Is Not to Reverse Policies, Allies Told

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is greeted as he enters the House before speaking to a joint meeting of Congress about the nuclear deal. (By Melina Mara -- The Washington Post)

By Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 20, 2005

Bush administration officials yesterday lobbied Congress and tried to assure allies that a new deal to supply India with civilian nuclear technology and conventional military equipment was not meant to betray decades of nuclear-control policies or upset the regional balance of power.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, addressing Congress, said his country, which developed its nuclear program in secret in the 1970s, was a responsible nuclear state that would closely guard any future acquisitions of sensitive U.S. technology. He appealed for U.S. investment that could spur India's economic growth and bring in $150 billion in the next decade for nuclear power plants and to modernize the country's transportation system.

The details of the nuclear deal had been tightly held until they were announced late Monday during Singh's visit to the White House. Under the agreement, India would place its civilian nuclear facilities, but not its nuclear weapons program,under international monitoring and would continue a ban on nuclear testing. The United States would give India access to U.S. nuclear technology and conventional weapons systems.

Yesterday, Pentagon officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they expected India to start purchasing as much as $5 billion worth of conventional military equipment as a result of the deal, if it is approved by Congress. The current U.S. Nonproliferation Act prevents India and other countries that have not signed the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty from acquiring a wide range of U.S. military technology that includes components that could be used for nuclear programs.

Administration officials have sought to publicly play down how the arrangement fits into a broad White House strategy to help position India -- a democracy that has the capacity to expand its nuclear arsenal -- as a regional counterweight to China.


But Pentagon officials said they considered many of the potential sales, including anti-submarine patrol aircraft that could spot Chinese submarines in the Indian Ocean and Aegis radar for Indian destroyers operating in the strategic Straits of Malaka, as useful for monitoring the Chinese military.
The Pentagon yesterday released an assessment of China's military strength. Basing the findings on U.S. intelligence, the report claims that Beijing is increasing its nuclear arsenal and specifically noted that Chinese missiles are capable of striking India, Russia and "virtually all of the United States."

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice yesterday called Gen. Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's president, and Mohamed ElBaradei, the director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, officials said.

Her advisers spoke with members of Congress, including Sen. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. And the State Department organized briefings for allies surprised by the deal, which reverses years of nonproliferation policies and skirts the major tenets of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which is credited by many with limiting the spread of nuclear weapons.

Foreign diplomats from some of Washington's closest allies predicted a tough climb for the administration, which will need to persuade many of them to alter rules in the Nuclear Suppliers Group that limit exports of sensitive nuclear technologies to countries that have not signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty. The NSG is a 44-country consortium that was established immediately after India conducted its first nuclear detonation in 1974 as a way of specifically keeping nuclear materials out of the country.

"This sends the signal that bilateral relations and other strategic interests will trump nonproliferation," said Robert Einhorn, who served as assistant secretary of state for nonproliferation when India conducted a series of nuclear tests in 1998. "And that will reduce the perceived penalties associated with going nuclear."

Members of Congress welcomed Singh yesterday but were reluctant to sign off on the agreement, which would require congressional approval.

Lugar, who has pioneered nonproliferation legislation, said Congress needed to hear from the White House how the deal would affect U.S. nuclear policies elsewhere.

"We're going to have a lot of conversations," he said.

House members of the energy conference committee approved a measure offered by Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.) to prevent the export of nuclear technology to India. "This is a way for the House to send a signal on this particular treaty," Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.), chairman of the conference committee, said in a statement.

Nothing beats big brother :P

ASAT:
Kongo BMD test:
Firepower series (DDG-51) :devil:
 
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A down graded US weaponry is better than the best India can jointly develop with Russia and Israel. Why spend so much money to invest in the defence of tomorrow if less can be spend for the stuff today?
 
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