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China will have a successor to the J-20 ready by then.
This is totally not important.
Agreed with some of what you say now the Children want to become "rockstars", the education system is shyte, and so is your theory.The US lead will close. US population are changing. There are more hispanics and non-white folks than ever. US brainpower will decline because the US general school systems is horrible. Not only that much of the researcher in the US will be Chinese/Asian. What will be learned in the US, will be transported to China.
China will grow more powers which will lead US to be increasely paranoid and could put pressure on ordinary Chinese American, make these people even less patriotics. When non-white becomes the majority in the US, all hell will break lose, as white people grasp to maintain their power. Even now, many American eyes are open to their corrupt governments and hypocrisy around the world. People are less patriotic and upbeat about America than ever. Senseless gun crimes are happening everyday. American as a beacon of freedom no longer exists. The American dream no longer exist. After the last decades, people around the world are opening their eyes. No longer is Hollywood be able to pull a wool over people's eyes.
I don't see how the US can maintain its lead judging from the state of American economy, popular culture, education systems, and demographics changes.
How much do you think the deterrence factor -- and not going to war -- really worth?
More like a 5.5 gen aircraft... I wouldn't call it 6th gen until it can turn invisible to the eye....
The US lead will close. US population are changing. There are more hispanics and non-white folks than ever. US brainpower will decline because the US general school systems is horrible. Not only that much of the researcher in the US will be Chinese/Asian. What will be learned in the US, will be transported to China.
China will grow more powers which will lead US to be increasely paranoid and could put pressure on ordinary Chinese American, make these people even less patriotics. When non-white becomes the majority in the US, all hell will break lose, as white people grasp to maintain their power. Even now, many American eyes are open to their corrupt governments and hypocrisy around the world. People are less patriotic and upbeat about America than ever. Senseless gun crimes are happening everyday. American as a beacon of freedom no longer exists. The American dream no longer exist. After the last decades, people around the world are opening their eyes. No longer is Hollywood be able to pull a wool over people's eyes.
I don't see how the US can maintain its lead judging from the state of American economy, popular culture, education systems, and demographics changes.
Days after the DoD released their 30 year aviation plan, the United States Navy has started the exploratory process to find a 6th generation fighter to replace the F/A18-E/F and EA-18G. This was mentioned in the aviation plan as something they were planning to do. The Navy hopes what ever plane is chosen, it will be in service to replace the F-18 in 2030.
Whatever jet is selected will hopefully replace the Super Hornets around 2030, said Rear Adm. Donald Gaddis this afternoon at the Navy Leagues annual Sea, Air, Space conference. Before the Navy can settle on the final capabilities such a plane will have, it needs to know what types of technology the defense industry can bring to the table for a brand new fighter that will be fielded in less than two decades, said Gaddis. The new jet must be able to survive in anti-access environment, have next-gen sensors and maybe even the ability to buddy refuel other fighters and perform airborne early warning (AEW) duties.
US Navy Starts Search For 6th Generation Fighter | WebProNews
The Sixth Generation Fighter
By John A. Tirpak
Executive Editor
The technologies are emerging, but whats needed is a program to pull them together.
Within the next few years, we will begin work on the sixth generation [fighter] capabilities necessary for future air dominance. The Secretary of the Air Force, Michael B. Donley, and the USAF Chief of Staff, Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, issued that statement in an April 13 Washington Post article.
The Air Force may have to move a little faster to develop that next generation fighter. While anticipated F-22 and F-35 inventories seem settled, there wont be enough to fix shortfalls in the fighter fleet over the next 20 years, as legacy fighters retire faster than fifth generation replacements appear.
The Air Force will have to answer a host of tough questions about the nature of the next fighter.
Should it provide a true quantum leap in capability, from fifth to sixth generation, or will some interim level of technology suffice? When will it have to appear? What kinds of fighters will potential adversaries be fielding in the next 20 years? And, if the program is delayed, will a defense industry with nothing to work on in the meantime lose its know-how to deliver the needed system?
What seems certain is that more is riding on the Air Forces answers than just replacing worn-out combat aircraft.
Initial concept studies for what would become the F-22 began in the early 1980s, when production of the F-15 was just hitting its stride. It took 20 years to go from those concepts to initial operational capability. Industry leaders believe that it will probably take another 20 years to field a next generation fighter.
That may be late to need. By 2030, according to internal USAF analyses, the service could be as many as 971 aircraft short of its minimum required inventory of 2,250 fighters. That assumes that all planned F-35s are built and delivered on time and at a rate of at least 48 per year. The shortfall is due to the mandatory retirement of F-15s and F-16s that will have exceeded their service lives and may no longer be safe to fly.
Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates has set the tone for the tactical aviation debate. He opposed the F-22 as being an expensive, exquisite solution to air combat requirements, and has put emphasis on the less costly F-35 Lightning II instead. He considers it exemplary of the kind of multirole platforms, applicable to a wide variety of uses, that he believes the US military should be buying in coming years. He and his technology managers have described this approach as the 75 percent solution.
Gates has also forecast that a Russian fifth generation fighter will be operational in 2016Russia says it will fly the fighter this yearand a Chinese version just four years later. Given that US legacy fighters are already matched or outclassed by generation four-plus-plus fighters, if Russia and China build their fifth generation fighters in large numbers, the US would be at a clear airpower disadvantage in the middle of the 2020s. Thats a distinct possibility, as both countries have openly stated their intentions to build world-class air fleets. If they do, the 75 percent solution fails.
What You See Is What You Get
The Air Force declined to offer official comment on the status of its sixth generation fighter efforts. Privately, senior leaders have said they have been waiting to see how the F-22 and F-35 issues sorted out before establishing a structured program for a next generation fighter.
The Air Force has a large classified budget, but it seems there is no black sixth generation fighter program waiting in the wings. A senior industry official, with long-term, intimate knowledge of classified efforts, said the F-22 wasnt stopped at 187 aircraft because a secret, better fighter is nearly ready to be deployed. He said, What you see is what you get.
That opinion was borne out in interviews with the top aeronautic technologists of Boeing, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman, the three largest remaining US airframers. They said they were unaware of an official, dedicated Air Force sixth generation fighter program and are anxiously waiting to see what capabilities the service wants in such a fighter.
The possibilities for a sixth generation fighter seem almost the stuff of science fiction.
It would likely be far stealthier than even the fifth generation aircraft. It may be able to change its shape in flight, morphing to optimize for either speed or persistence, and its engines will likely be retunable in-flight for efficient supersonic cruise or subsonic loitering.
The sixth generation fighter will likely have directed energy weaponshigh-powered microwaves and lasers for defense against incoming missiles or as offensive weapons themselves. Munitions would likely be of the dial an effect type, able to cause anything from impairment to destruction of an air or ground target.
Materials and microelectronics technologies would combine to make the aircraft a large integrated sensor, possibly eliminating the need for a nose radar as it is known today. It would be equipped for making cyber attacks as well as achieving kinetic effects, but would still have to be cost-effective to make, service, and modify.
Moreover, the rapid advancement of unmanned aircraft technologies could, in 20 years or so, make feasible production of an autonomous robotic fighter. However, that is considered less likely than the emergence of an uninhabited but remotely piloted aircraft with an off-board crew, possibly comprising many operators.
Not clear, yet, is whether the mission should be fulfilled by a single, multirole platform or a series of smaller, specialized aircraft, working in concert.
I think this next round [of fighter development] is probably going to be dominated by ever-increasing amounts of command and control information, said Paul K. Meyer, vice president and general manager of Northrop Grummans Advanced Programs and Technology Division.
Meyer forecast that vast amounts of data will be available to the pilot, who may or may not be on board the aircraft. The pilot will see wide-ranging, intuitive views of the extended world around the aircraft, he noted. The aircraft will collect its own data and seamlessly fuse it with off-board sensors, including those on other aircraft. The difference from fifth generation will be the level of detail and certaintythe long-sought automatic target recognition.
Directed Energy Weapons
Embedded sensors and microelectronics will also make possible sensor arrays in locations that previously werent available because of either heat or the curvature of the surface, providing more powerful and comprehensive views of the battlefield, Meyer noted. Although the aircraft probably wont be autonomous, he said, it will be able to learn and advise the pilot as to what actions to takespecifically, whether a target should be incapacitated temporarily, damaged, or destroyed.
Traditional electronics will probably give way to photonics, said Darryl W. Davis, president of Boeings advanced systems division.
You could have fewer wires, said Davis. Youre on a multiplexed, fiber-optic bus ... that connects all the systems, and because you can do things at different wavelengths of light, you can move lots of data around airplanes much faster, with much less weight in terms of ... wire bundles.
Fiber optics would also be resistant to jamming or spoofing of data and less prone to cyber attack.
A digital wingman could accompany the main fighter as an extra sensor-shooter smart enough to take verbal instructions, Meyer forecasted.
Directed energy weapons could play a big role in deciding how agile a sixth generation fighter would have to be, Meyer noted. Speed of light weapons, he added, could negate the importance of the maneuverability we see in todays fashionable fighters. There wont be time to maneuver away from a directed energy attack.
Pulse weapons could also fry an enemy aircrafts systemsor those of a ground target. Based on what we have seen and we make at Northrop Grumman, Meyer said, in the next 20 years ... that type of technology is going to be available.
With an appropriate enginepossibly an auxiliary engineon board to provide power for directed energy weapons, there could be an unlimited magazine of shots, Meyer said.
Hypersonicsthat is, the ability of an air vehicle to travel at five times the speed of sound, or fasterhas routinely been suggested as an attribute of sixth generation fighters, but the industry leaders are skeptical the capability will be ready in time.
While there have been some successes with experimental hypersonic propulsion, the total amount of true hypersonic flying time is less than 15 minutes, and the leap to an operational fighter in 20 years might be a leap too far.
It entails a whole new range of materials development, due to ... sensors, fuzes, apertures, etc., Meyer noted, all of which must operate in that intense heat environment at ... Mach 5-plus.
Still, it is indeed an option that we would consider because targets will be fleeting and require quick, surgical strikes at great distances. However, such an approach would probably be incompatible with a loitering capability.
Davis said he thinks hypersonics will start to show up in sixth generation, but not initially as the platforms power plant, but rather in the aircrafts kinetic munitions.
I think it will start with applications to weapons, Davis said. And they may not necessarily be just weapons but high-speed reconnaissance platforms for short missions on the way to the target.
Because of the extreme speed of hypersonic platforms and especially directed energy weapons, Davis thinks it will be critical to have persistent eyes on target because speed-of-light weapons cant be recalled once youve pulled the trigger, and even at hypersonic speed, a target may move before the weapon arrives. That would suggest a flotilla of stealthy drones or sensors positioned around the battlefield.
Not only will hypersonics require years more work, Davis said it must be combined with other, variable-cycle engines that will allow an aircraft to take off from sea level, climb to high altitude, and then engage a hypersonic engine. Those enabling propulsion elements are not necessarily near at hand in a single package.
The sixth generation fighter, whatever it turns out to be, will still be a machine and will need to be serviced, repaired, and modified, according to Neil Kacena, deputy director of Lockheed Martins Skunk Works advanced projects division. He is less confident that major systems such as radar will be embedded in the aircraft skin.
If the radar doesnt work, and now you have to take the wing off, ... then that may not be the technology that will find its way onto a sixth gen aircraft, he said. In designing the next fighter, life cycle costs will be crucial, and so practical considerations will have to be accommodated.
Toward that end, he said, Lockheed Martin is working on new composite manufacturing techniques that use far fewer fasteners, less costly tooling, and therefore lower start-up and sustainment costs. It demonstrated those technologies recently on the Advanced Composite Cargo Aircraft program.
Given the anticipated capabilities of the Russian and Chinese fifth generation fighters, when will a sixth generation aircraft have to be available?
Davis said the Air Force and Navy, not industry, will have to decide how soon they need a new generation of fighters. However, if the services are thinking they need something in 2020 when foreign fifth generation fighters could be proliferating in large numbers, were going to have to do some things to our existing generation of platforms, such as add the directed energy weapons or other enhancements.
Kacena agreed, saying that Lockheed Martin has engaged with both services and supplied them data and our perspectives about the next round of fighter development. If the need exists to make a true quantum leap, then sixth generation is the way to go, but, if its driven by the reduction in force structure [and] ... the equipment is just getting old and worn out in that time frame, then [we] may very well be on a path of continuous improvement of fifth generation capabilities. Lockheed Martin makes both the F-22 and F-35.
He said the companys goal is to find the knee in the curve where you get them the most bang for the buck without an 80 to 90 percent solution. Something that doesnt take them beyond the nonlinear increase in cost.
Lt. Gen. David A. Deptula, the Air Force deputy chief of staff for intelligence-surveillance-reconnaissance and a fighter pilot, said the next fighter generation may well have characteristics fundamentally different from any seen today, but he urged defense decision-makers to keep an open mind and not ignore hard-learned lessons from history.
Although great strides have been made in unmanned aircraft, said Deptula, we have a long way to go to achieve the degree of 360-degree spherical situation awareness, rapid assimilation of information, and translation of that information into action that the human brain, linked with its on-site sensors, can accomplish.
Numbers Count, Too
Despite rapid increases in computer processing power, it will be difficult for a machine to cope with an infinite number of potential situations that are occurring in split seconds, Deptula added, noting that, until such a capability is proved, we will still require manned aircraft.
Its important to note that Americas potential adversaries will have access to nearly all the technologies now only resident with US forces, Deptula said. Thinking 20 to 30 years out, it will be necessary to invest properly to retain things US forces depend on, such as air superiority.
However, he warned not to put too much emphasis on technology, per se. Just as precision air weapons and, to a certain degree, cyberspace are redefining our definition of mass in todays fight, we have to be very wary of how quickly mass in its classic sense can return in an era of mass-precision and mass-cyber capabilities for all.
In other words, numbers count, and too few fighters, even if they are extremely advanced, are still too few.
Hanging over the sixth generation fighter debate is this stark fact: The relevant program should now be well under way, but it has not even been defined. If the Pentagon wants a sixth generation capability, it will have to demonstrate that intent, and soon. Industry needs that clear signal if it is to invest its own money in developing the technologies needed to make the sixth generation fighter come about.
Moreover, the sixth generation program is necessary to keep the US aerospace industry on the cutting edge. Unless it is challenged, if the 90 percent solution is needed in the future, industry may not be able to answer the call.
Under Gates, Pentagon technology leaders have said they want to avoid cost and schedule problems by deferring development until technologies are more mature. Unfortunately, this safe and steady approach does not stimulate leap-ahead technologies.
Meyer said, We need to have challenges to our innovative thoughts, our engineering talents, our technology integration and development that would ... push us ... to the point where industry has to perform beyond expectations.
He noted that todays F-35 is predicated on largely proven technologies and affordability, but it was the B-2 and F-22 programs that really paved the way for the systems that underpin modern air combat.
The B-2 bomber, he noted, was a program of significant discovery, because it involved a great deal of invention to meet required performance. The B-2 demanded taking ... basic research and developing it in the early ... phases of the program, which yielded nonfaceted stealth, enhanced range and payload, nuclear hardening, new antennas, radars, and flight controls.
Today, Meyer said, most programs are entering full-scale development only when theyve reached a technology readiness level of six or higher (see chart).
We probably had elements on the B-2 ... that were at four, and a lot at five, Meyer said.
Programs such as the sixth generation fighter are the ones we relish because they make us think, they make us take risks that we wouldnt normally take, and in taking on those risks weve discovered the new technologies that have made our industry great, he asserted.
Davis said that other countries are going to school on the US fighter industry and taking its lessons to heart.
We still think you have to build thingsfly them and test themin order to know what works and what doesnt, said Davis. And, at some point, if you dont do that, just do it theoretically, it doesnt get you where you need to be.
He added, If we dont continue to move forward, they will catch us.
Generation 1: Jet propulsion (F-80, German Me 262).
Generation 2: Swept wings; range-only radar; infrared missiles (F-86, MiG-15).
Generation 3: Supersonic speed; pulse radar; able to shoot at targets beyond visual range (Century Series fighters such as F-105; F-4; MiG-17; MiG-21).
Generation 4: Pulse-doppler radar; high maneuverability; look-down, shoot-down missiles (F-15, F-16, Mirage 2000, MiG-29).
Generation 4+: High agility; sensor fusion; reduced signatures (Eurofighter Typhoon, Su-30, advanced versions of F-16 and F/A-18, Rafale).
Generation 4++: Active electronically scanned arrays; continued reduced signatures or some active (waveform canceling) stealth; some supercruise (Su-35, F-15SE).
Generation 5: All-aspect stealth with internal weapons, extreme agility, full-sensor fusion, integrated avionics, some or full supercruise (F-22, F-35).
Potential Generation 6: extreme stealth; efficient in all flight regimes (subsonic to multi-Mach); possible morphing capability; smart skins; highly networked; extremely sensitive sensors; optionally manned; directed energy weapons.
The Sixth Generation Fighter
China will have a successor to the J-20 ready by then.
This is totally not important.
please cheer-lead in some other thread.... this thread is about US 6th gen jet........... You can't deny their advanced technology...... Still we don't know what kinda secret weapons they have..... compare chinese population and US population with over 1.4 billion population china is competing with millions of US ( just giving example)...... Raptor took first flight in 1997 and inducted in 2005, look within 8 years USAF inducted an fifth gen jet...... whereas Russia and china struggling.... even though they are competing for next places but not to replace RAPTOR.....