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Small wars loom large on China's horizon
By Jens Kastner

Broad hints have been coming out of China that the country might start small-scale military strikes over disputed waters that are believed to hold rich energy reserves. The consequences of such endeavors would be tolerable to Beijing, international experts say.

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Experts interviewed by Asia Times Online agreed that China would likely meet future objectives with limited military strikes.

According to Steve Tsang, director of the University of Nottingham's China Policy Institute, much will depend on what the small war is about, how it is conducted and against which country. Tsang believes the South Koreans won't be the target despite a recent war of words that erupted after the chief of China's State Oceanic Administration claimed that Leodo Reef, a submerged rock off South Korea's resort island of Jeju, is almost certainly part of China's "jurisdictional waters". Beijing refers to the rock as Suyan Reef.

"China starting even a limited military operation against South Korea would be too serious to be tolerated by anyone," Tsang said. "The US would have to take a strong position and immediate action at the United Nations Security Council to impose a ceasefire," he added.

However, a minor military confrontation against Vietnam or the Philippines over the disputed atolls in the South China Sea was a very different matter, Tsang argued. "Although China couldn't take an easy victory against Vietnam for granted, and such wars will be gravely disturbing in Southeast Asia and the rest of East Asia, they will be manageable. If the confrontation would be short and limited, the immediate impact wouldn't be very significant."

Tsang warned, however, that a Chinese attack on Vietnam or the Philippines would strengthen the willingness of countries in Southeast Asia cooperate with the United States.

"But fundamentally there is not much those countries can do to counter an assertive China."

Tsang then took on the notion that the existing mutual defense treaty between the Philippines and the US leaves the Southeast Asian country "immune" to a brief Chinese attack.

"You need to check the terms of the treaty. The US government needs to consider [a military attack against the Philippines] as a serious security matter for which it needs to respond, for which time is required to deliberate an appropriate response," Tsang said. "Nothing will happen if the incident is over before the matter reaches congress for a serious debate."

James Holmes, an associate professor of strategy at the US Naval War College, says Beijing would likely get away with it if the PLA were to attack the Philippines or Vietnam.

"Beijing would keep any small war as small and out-of-sight as possible. The superiority of its fleet vis-a-vis Southeast Asian militaries, and the advent of new shore-based weaponry like the anti-ship ballistic missile, give China a strong 'recessed deterrent' in times of conflict," Holmes said.

He explained that China could hold its major combat platforms in reserve while seeking its goals with relatively innocuous, lightly armed vessels from its maritime security services, which are its equivalents to a coast guard.

"Southeast Asian navies might challenge these ships, but they would do so in full knowledge that People's Liberation Army could deploy vastly superior sea power should they try it," Holmes said.

Economists also don't see too many obstacles for a small energy war against one China's Southeast Asian neighbors.

"Stock markets would overreact around the world in the short term - say a few days," said Ronald A Edwards, an expert on China's political economy at Tamkang University in Taiwan.

"But there would be little if any effect in terms of affecting this year's inflation, employment or output of any country other than the one attacked by China."

Edwards concluded on a disturbing note. He argued that the outcome of the nine-day-long Russian-Georgian war in 2008, in which Russia used overwhelming force to push Georgia out of South Ossetia, earning Western condemnation, could be taken as an indicator on whether China's economy would pay dearly for the PLA's military adventures.

"The brief Russian war with Georgia comes to mind as a very good example for comparison," Edwards said. "While the news coverage of this was headlines everywhere for a couple weeks, there were no major economic effects in countries other than Georgia in August of 2008 or thereafter."


Asia Times Online :: Small wars loom large on China's horizon



Not only Vietnam and Philippines, but india wants to be crushed by Chinese military too!

China and its support to Pak main threats: Army

New Delhi: China's military modernisation and its continued support to Pakistan, including infrastructure development in Northern Areas, were listed by the Army as the major threats faced by the country.

In a detailed presentation on demands for grants before the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence, Army Vice Chief Lieutenant General SK Singh also mentioned the continued instability in Pakistan and the terrorist infrastructure there as a major security challenge facing the country, sources said.

Terming China as one of the major threats, the Army in its presentation mentioned Beijing's unresolved boundary issue with India, its infrastructure development in Tibet and inroads into immediate neighbourhood as the reasons behind its thinking.

China's politico-military assertiveness and support to Pakistan including infrastructure development in Northern Areas were also cited in the 22-page presentation.

Terming Pakistan as the "epicentre of terror", the presentation said it was continuing its support to the proxy war against India and was keeping the terrorist infrastructure on its soil intact.

The Army told the MPs that it desired to prevent wars through deterrence and it should have the capability to calibrate a proactive response to a war.

The Army also came up with a tentative modernisation plan for the next fiscal in which it briefed about the allocation to its different arms.

China and its support to Pak main threats: Army - India News - IBNLive
 
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US miscalculates China military growth: study

WASHINGTON — The United States has underestimated the growth of China's military as policymakers have taken public statements at face value or failed to understand Beijing's thinking, a study said Thursday.

The report prepared for the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission said the United States had a mixed record on predicting the rising power's new weaponry, including largely missing the emergence of more advanced submarines.

As for the speed of military modernization, the study found "identifiable cases of miscalculation" with China developing anti-ship ballistic missiles and stealth fighter-jets earlier than the United States expected.

US analysis could have improved if more experts read Chinese or even looked at open publications such as academic technical journals, it said.

"US observers should not take at face value statements from the Chinese government on military policy, as they could either be deceptive, or simply issued by agencies" such as the foreign ministry "that have no real say over military matters," it said.

The staff report was prepared for the Commission, which was set up by Congress in 2000 to assess security implications from China, and does not represent the view of the body or of the US government.

The study said that US experts "may have failed to fully appreciate the extent to which the Chinese leadership views the United States as a fundamental threat to China's security."

It said that China's views were "inflamed" by incidents including the 1999 bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, which the United States said was accidental, and the US show of naval force near Taiwan in 1996 after Beijing's missile tests.

The study said that US experts assumed in the late 1990s that China would never catch up militarily to the United States and would put a low priority on its defense industry compared with other parts of the economy.

"A decade on, it is now clear that much of the conventional wisdom about China dating from the turn of the century has proven to be dramatically wrong," it said.

"To avoid being similarly caught off-guard in 2022, US analysts should carefully reexamine many of their widely held assumptions about the Chinese government and its policy goals," it said.

China said its military spending will top $100 billion in 2012, the latest sharp increase. While many experts believe its actual spending is much higher, it remains far below the $613 billion requested by the US Defense Department for fiscal year 2013.

AFP: US miscalculates China military growth: study
 
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Philippine is protected by the US Defense Treaty. <= Don't tell me you didn't know.

As for Vietnam, they vowed to invade the mainland if its islands were seized by China, and Vietnam does stand a good chance of delivering a defeat to the PLA in ground combat.
 
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How China could counter Obama's Asia 'pivot'

Editor's Note: Robert E. Kelly is a Senior Analyst at Wikistrat and an Assistant Professor in the Department of Political Science and Diplomacy at Pusan National University, South Korea. A longer version of this essay may be found at his website, Asian Security Blog.

By Robert E. Kelly - Special to CNN

For all the talk about how the US might &#8216;pivot&#8217; to Asia, there is little Western discussion of how China might respond to its semi-encirclement. Here are five possibilities:

1. China might pull South Korea into its orbit

China&#8217;s regional problem is that no one really trusts it. Its allies are weak &#8211; North Korea and Myanmar. The best way to head-off encirclement is to break the ring with some decent allies. Nasty, dependent dictatorships are not enough. South Korea is a central link in any semi-containment ring around China, but one where China has a lot of leverage.

Korea was Confucian China&#8217;s closest ally for a millennium. Korean and Chinese culture are close. Koreans will not tell you that China is a major enemy of Korea, no matter how many Japanese and U.S. pundits say so. Instead Japan, or even the U.S., is seen as a greater threat. The Liancourt Rocks dispute activates Koreans a lot more than China&#8217;s growth.

Korea also has a tradition of anti-Americanism. Yes, they are a good ally to the U.S., but mostly because they need America a lot more than most U.S. allies, not because of some deep affinity. Many feel the U.S. is heavily responsible for the division of the country, bullies South Korea&#8217;s leaders, unnecessarily provokes North Korea, forces unfair trade deals on the country, sends pot-smoking English teachers and soldiers to prey on their young students, etc. True or not, consider the opening this gives China.

Finally, Koreans want unity, and China is probably best placed to give it to them. If we accept that North Korea is all but dependent on China now, then China could accelerate a solution in which Korea got unity on southern terms, but only if U.S. Forces in Korea left. Yes, many Chinese see North Korea as a buffer against the robust democracies of Japan, South Korea, and the U.S. But North Korea is a losing horse. Someday it will crash, and how much does it help China now anyway?

North Korea elites are so unpredictable than the Beijing must always be wondering what they&#8217;ll do next. Chinese-backed, &#8216;finlandized&#8217; unification would electrify the region, neutralize a major link in the ring, isolate Japan, and confuse the U.S.

2. Keep flattering India.

India and China will never be too close. The long border, China&#8217;s communist oligarchy, and a history of tension make the relationship tough. But China would benefit if India did not fully join the U.S. camp. In 2010, I predicted that India would have U.S. bases within a decade because of the almost tailor-made fit between India and the U.S. But India is not following this script. It&#8217;s hedging the U.S., and the evolution of the &#8216;responsibility to protect&#8217; into triumphalist Western regime change in Libya looks to New Dehli like neocolonialism. There&#8217;s a &#8216;BRICS solidarity&#8217; play for China here: Given that India is still pretty soft on the American option, a charm offensive, however humbling, would be wise.

3. Build missiles and drones; don&#8217;t bother with a navy.

Trying to &#8216;out-ship&#8217; the Americans one-to-one in the western Pacific would be a costly fool&#8217;s errand. Japan failed in the 1940s; Americans fought tooth-and-nail to prevent it. Wiser is to pursue an &#8216;access-denial&#8217; approach in the medium-term.

China should pursue regional (East Asian) dominance first and then tangle with the Americans over the much larger Pacific game later. So access-denial - making it harder for U.S. navy to operate west of Guam (the so-called second island chain strategy) - is a good first step.

Throwing swarms of cheap rockets and drones against hugely expensive, slow-moving U.S. carriers is vastly cheaper, fights asymmetrically where the U.S. hegemon is weak, looks less threatening (defensive balancing), and can be marketing as defending Asia against U.S. interventionism. And stick with robots and missiles. They&#8217;re getting very cheap and increasingly outclass human platforms. Let the Americans go on buying fewer and ever more expensive ships and planes costing mountains of money - and then &#8216;swarm&#8217; them with masses of super-cheap missiles and drones.



4. Buy European debt

Buying European sovereign debt enhances leverage over the West. It pressures the U.S. by reminding it of China&#8217;s leverage over the American budget. China could take its money elsewhere, and a nasty U.S. budget crunch would ensue a real rupture with China.

Nothing fuels American hysteria so much as the idea that China &#8216;owns&#8217; the U.S. Buying Euro-debt drives up U.S. interest rates and keeps America fretting that it needs to be nice to its &#8216;banker.&#8217; It also keeps the Europeans out of any tangles between China and the U.S. camp in Asia. A dependence on Chinese finance handicaps NATO grandstanding about Asia.

5. Keep propping up global troublemakers.

Nothing distracts U.S. policy-makers like upstart countries that stick their finger in America&#8217;s eye. Witness Iran, Iraq, Venezuela, Cuba. And nothing convinces the U.S. to spend lots of money on costly defense procurement and conflict like these guys.

So if you&#8217;re China, propping up local bad guys is great tool. Yes, it makes you look like you&#8217;ll support anyone, but the benefits - wasteful American military spending, coupled with U.S. hysteria and imperial overreaction, leading to consequent global unease with American power - more than outweighs the costs. China could woirk to keep Americans saying stuff like &#8216;Iran is a mortal threat to the US&#8217; - talk that alienates much of the developing world where 4/5 of the globe&#8217;s population now lives.

China could encourage the U.S. to dissipate its energies in the periphery while the rest of the world worries that the otherwise good ideas, like the &#8216;responsibility to protect,&#8217; are really neoimperialism, because American just can&#8217;t control itself. If American comes off as a revisionist hegemon that can&#8217;t help but chase rogue states, China looks restrained by comparison.


How China could counter Obama's Asia 'pivot' &#8211; Global Public Square - CNN.com Blogs

Philippine is protected by the US Defense Treaty. <= Don't tell me you didn't know.

As for Vietnam, they vowed to invade the mainland if its islands were seized by China, and Vietnam does stand a good chance of delivering a defeat to the PLA in ground combat.

what are you a comedian?
 
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Philippine is protected by the US Defense Treaty. <= Don't tell me you didn't know.

As for Vietnam, they vowed to invade the mainland if its islands were seized by China, and Vietnam does stand a good chance of delivering a defeat to the PLA in ground combat.

We Vietnam never afraid. We fought and kill many americans in the past century who is super power!!! dont worry korea friend, If china dare attack vietnam we will attack back and take over china and become #1 asia power. Vietnam force best in asia and in world. Ask american. :smokin:
 
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We Vietnam never afraid. We fought and kill many americans in the past century who is super power!!! dont worry korea friend, If china dare attack vietnam we will attack back and take over china and become #1 asia power. Vietnam force best in asia and in world. Ask american. :smokin:

Another comedian ,vietnam is probally the only country in the world being colonised twice(china and france):rofl: and you telling us vietnam never afraid LMAO, being colonised once is bad enough but twice OMG shameful very very shameful indeed.
 
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Why does China start Stammering in front of a Full Fleged Navy like India, Japan, South Korea, Russia or US? :lol:
 
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It will be just like military drills using some little puppies as live targets. Gain some practical experiences in case their sugar daddy decided to help her yellow puppies. I think we should also do a double prongs action by finding a way to starve them first.
 
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living in the west while hating on it... the Irony. move to China if it is so magnificient then what are you doing in a zionist USA puppet state?

Are you trying to insult me? dude....please try harder.
a dead person can do a better job at that than you currently are.
 
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Another comedian ,vietnam is probally the only country in the world being colonised twice(china and france):rofl: and you telling us vietnam never afraid LMAO, being colonised once is bad enough but twice OMG shameful very very shameful indeed.

It's stranger when Chinese talking about colony but themselves, Chine was a colony of many invaders. It mean cells of nerve for shame's feeling of chinese are wrongly work.:agree:
 
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It will be just like military drills using some little puppies as live targets. Gain some practical experiences in case their sugar daddy decided to help her yellow puppies. I think we should also do a double prongs action by finding a way to starve them first.

It will be just like military drills.



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Are you trying to insult me? dude....please try harder.
a dead person can do a better job at that than you currently are.

no, i am trying to point out the irony.

hating on the values in the west while living there. just like those Syrians... living in USA while screaming death to america :lol:

just move to China since it will be a paradise based on your logic. why u living in a country that supports usa and is a puppet of evil zionist aipac lobby :lol:
 
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